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Patagonia made the 10-ounce Men's Down Sweater for alpinists, ice climbers, and backcountry skiers who need insulation that weighs as little as possible. Although the Down Sweater weighs less than most fleece jackets, its 800-fill down insulation provides far more warmth. The ultralight DWR-coated 22D polyester shell protects the insulation from moisture. This Patagonia jacket packs so small that it fits in its own interior pocket, which makes it a great choice for climbs where pack size must remain minimal.
Bottom Line: Lighten up your insulation with the Patagonia Down Sweater.
Very light weight. Keeps you comfortable in many temperature ranges. Has proven to be much more windproof than I would have originally guessed. I mean it is awesome. Look around about every other company has made a jacket that pretty much copies this one. Oh yeah and the shell is made from some recycled materials. Backed by Backcountry's guarantee and Patagonias you really don't have a good reason not to get one. Trust me worth the price but you can easily find a 20% BC code.
This is one of my favorite jackets...Light, warm, and a good looker (have last year's in burnt orange). Love that it compresses into it's own pouch as well. Works great as an outerlayer and if you need a shell, works great and doesn't feel bulky underneath. I'm 5' 10" and thin, the medium fits lwell (as does most Patagonia mediums). I also like that the collar is relatively snug , but not too tight around the neck to keep out the cold and falling snow when fully zipped
I'm thinking of the down sweater or the r3 fleece as a layering piece to go under a waterproof shell for skiing. Any thoughts or advice as to which would be more appropriate?
Tommy, the Down Sweater is a great layering option if you're looking for the warmest possible combination. It'll keep you warm in the coldest of conditions, and be a great warm jacket on it's own. The R3 is also warm, but provides slightly less warmth and is more breathable and will be a better option if you do a lot of hiking or traversing and heat up often. So if you run hot and sweat a lot I'd go R3, and if you want to be super warm and aren't worried about overheating go Down Sweater. hope that helps!
I was specifically looking for a down sweater to use underneath my hardshell when skiing. For what its worth, I ski in the mid-Atlantic area where the runs tend to be short, and one of the lifts that I use regularly is very slow and lately has been exposed to very strong winds. This adds up to not a whole lot of body warmth being generated before I am sitting on the lift again. I am 5'10 and weigh 165 pounds. I was specifically looking for something that fit well and provided a good compromise between minimal bulk and maximum warmth. Over the past few years I seem to be colder on the slopes then most of my friends that I ski with, although I am still much warmer in general than my wife.
I narrowed my choices down to the Patagonia Down Sweater and the Marmot Zeus because of the overall high reviews that both have receive, the excellent reputation that both manufacturers have and the lifetime warranty offered by both Patagonia and Marmot. I ordered both items in a size medium so that I could do a side-by-side comparison. The Marmot Zeus is definitely the warmer of these two garments. It clearly has more loft (my wife said I had the Michelin Man look going), and the neck comes up a little higher than the Patagonia Down Sweater. The Patagonia sweater is more form fitting all around, and the sleeves, neck and overall length of the sweater are all shorter than the Marmot Zeus. In fact, my sleeve length is 32/33 in dress shirts and the sleeves on the Marmot Zeus were actually a little long for me. I weighed both jackets, and on my scale the Zeus weighed 438 grams (with tags) and the Patagonia Down Sweater weighed 355 grams (with tags). Both jackets appear to be very well made, and I was impressed with the overall quality of both.. One definite bonus for the Marmot Zeus is the addition of an internal pocket that can be used to keep small food items warm when outside. The Patagonia jacket only has the internal pocket that is intended to be used for stuffing the jacket.
For my purposes, I chose the Patagonia Down Sweater. The main factors that finally drove my decision: 1) less bulk in the arms â I could barely tell that I had this jacket on when wearing a shell, while I felt some restriction in movement when wearing the Zeus under my shell; some of the bulk in the arms is inevitably due to the longer length of the sleeves on the Marmot Zeus; 2) lower neck â the higher neck on the Zeus combined with the tight neck on my shell made the Zeus feel less comfortable.
Despite my choice to go with the Patagonia Down Sweater, the Marmot Zeus is, at MSRP, is a great value, particularly when compared to similar offerings from the North Face and Mountain Hardwear. Honestly, if it werenât for the fact that I was able to get the Patagonia Down Sweater for the same price as the Marmot Zeus, I probably would have gone with the Marmot Zeus. This would be particularly true if I were not so focused on using this jacket as a mid-layer.
i am thinking of getting either the patagonia down sweater or the slingshot. i live in indiana and will be living in low teens down to 0 degree temps. will the down sweater be warm enough? i want the sleek look of the downsweater as the slingshot is pretty bulky but want to be warm enough. thoughts?
For pure warmth the Sligshot Down Jacket will be warmer than the Down Sweater. The Down Sweater is designed to be very warm, while still being lightweight, layerable, and packable. It is a very warm jacket, but might not be enough in temps approaching zero. Also see the Fitz Roy Down Hoody for the warmest down jacket from Patagonia.
As so many other have testified, this jacket is super light, super packable and super warm (in relation to the weight and volume).Starts feeling warm in seconds after putting it on top of base layers. Haven't yet found the need to put on any shell on top of down sweater. Also wind and water proof way above my expectations.
The fabric for the Down Sweater is a lot tougher than you'd think for how light it is. Patagonia tests fabrics extensively before they're approved to go to production for abrasion resistance and tear strength. Patagonia's Iron Clad Guarantee backs up the durability of the jacket and they'll take care of you if anything bad happens
I've tried to avoid brushing up against anything too rough because the outside of this jacket does feel pretty thin. I haven't had any issues with it ripping, but then again, I've been pretty careful with it. I've brushed up against brick walls and not had any issues. I've never worn it skiing without a shell layered over it though.
This is the most amazing jacket I have ever owned. For the weight, it is the warmest thing in the world. Warmer than the sun! Maybe not that warm, but you get the idea.
I also have the Mountain Hardwear Compressor jacket, which is Primaloft, and this jacket is much warmer and quite a bit lighter. It also compresses more. Just don't buy it and wear it in the rain like all those idiots I see in downtown Seattle wearing their The North Face down jackets, OK?
I've really enjoyed this piece so far. I wouldn't wear it as outerwear if it was going to snow or rain, but its a great layer under a shell on really cold days. I wear it around town in Tahoe and love it for that. Super soft and comfy. I've found that most patagonia jackets run large. I normally wear a L jacket from others (Arcteryx, Marmot), but the M sweater fits me perfectly, expecially for layering. Same with a Patagucci softshell I just got. I'm 5'10" and 175-180.
Update: I've not had this jacket/sweater for a complete season. I was thinking about it because I just washed it for the first time. It had developed a bit of 'ring around the collar' but came clean easily and puffed right back up with a shoe in the dryer. Now I can put it away until the fall.
Does anyone know if this jacket can be used as the inner layer of a 3-in-1 ski jacket combination? I.E. does it have the reversible zipper and the attachment points at the wrists to let it function in that way?
although it doesn't have a "3 in 1" zipper, the Down Sweater is a great layering piece. I can't imagine ever getting cold if you've got the Down Sweater under a nice hard shell.
It does NOT have the attachment points on the wrists and I am pretty sure that it does not have a reversible zipper. But you could wear it under a shell. It is a nice layering piece.
When the temperature is dropping faster than the Dow Jones on your fall outing I pull on the down sweater. I wear this under a goretex shell. The insulation of the 700 fill down is incrediable. It feels too light when you first put it on at the beginning of the season. I get that "Oh No, I haven't brought enough warm clothes for this trip out" feeling. But within minutes I toasty warm and finding myself thankful for geese. I'm 6'4" 200 lbs and wear an XL. It's definately puffy fit. The whole thing stuffs into a built in pocket about the size of a large grapefruit. The sweater doesn't seem to lose feathers as much as other down jackets I have owned. For colder weather get something 'PUFFY-ER" (I just made up that word.)
This is the jacket I choose most often during our Montana winters. I use it by itself for around town or worn under a breathable shell for low intensity activity on bitter days it's just fine. It's too warm under a shell for higher intensity exercise. I take it on all my backcountry skiing day trips to wear during lunch stops or while "cooling down" after a long climb to a ridge. The reviewer who claimed this isn't any warmer than a layer of heavyweight capilene must have been wearing it while it was soaking wet.
I've got the Mountain Hardwear Sub-Zero but feel a little "stay-puff" when I've got that bad boy on. It's super warm but super bulky. I'm thinking of switching to the Patagonia Down Sweater. Any thoughts?
might as well pick one up. You'll be more comfortable in the down sweater for the most part, and you can still throw on the sub-zero for those really fridgid temps.
go for it, the Down Sweater is a great lightweight option to your mtn hardwear puffy. No "stay-puff" look to it at all and it still offers a lot of warmth. I hardly wear my big puffy now that I've got a Down Sweater - love it!
I had my down sweater for 4 years. I just passed it on to my 14 yr. old son, who wears it proudly and keeps telling me how warm, soft and light it is. I wore that thing on his Boy Scout winter camping weekends and it made things so much more bearable. The other Dads used to see me standing around in frigid temps looking warm and comfortable and ask why I wasn't shivering. I would wear a tee shirt or ligt long sleeve cotton shirt underneath and still felt warm. It's light enough to carry in a pack and break out whenever you need to take the chill off. I own every kind of cold weather gear, some of which has cost me an arm and a leg, but I found myself wearing my down sweater all the time. I leave it in my car and probably use it 8 months out of the year. This thing is a no-brainer. It's the best! The guy who said that it's no warmer than capilene never wore this sweater.
I tried the Medium and Large today. I had plenty of room in both, but I felt like there was too much coat in the back by the armpits. The medium fit perfect.
Sully, honestly you're right in between a large and a medium, it will depend how you want it to fit. Large would give you a little more room to layer underneath with a fleece, and the medium would be a little more form fitting and be better for layering a shell over the top. I'm 6'1 170 and I'm very stoked on the large myself. hope that helps!
This jacket quickly became my go-to. Warm, light weight, packable...everything you need, nothing you don't. Perfect three season piece for almost anything. 800 fill is great but you will still shed a mini tear each time you lose a feather.
This jacket is everything it claims it is: warm, light, packable. The waist has a cinch cord, and there is a zipper flap to keep wind out there, but no adjustable cuffs, just an elastic closure. It looks puffier in the pics than it actually is, keeps a low profile. For anyone out there wondering about the "fill power" of down, the higher the number the better quality it is, meaning it takes less ounces of down to get the same warmth rating. 800-fill is at the top.
I'm 5"11" 190 lbs, Neck: 16" Sleeve Length: 34/35 Chest: 40-41". Waist 34" I am in between a Medium and Large.
I've read all the positive reviews on this jacket and wanted to get it as my go to jacket in winter for a city commute, running around doing errands and travelling for work . The warmth to weight ratio and the ability to compress it in its own stowaway pocket are what appeal to me. I live in NYC.
Is it better to wear this jacket tighter or looser on the body? I don't intend to wear a bulky layer underneath the jacket. Since it is down, I intend to wear just a shirt or possibly a thin sweater underneath. My core body temperature tends to lean on the warm side (if that statement makes sense). What size would be more ideal for me based on my intended use?
Also, can you please suggest an ideal shell that would protect the jacket from freezing rain or wet snow that wouldn't make me overheat based on my intended use? Thank you in advance for all your comments and suggestions.
go with the large. As for a shell, you may want to consider a rain jacket, such as the Mountain Hardwear Cohesion or Marmot Precip. They will keep out any rain/snow, but won't add much in the way of bulk (lighter than hard or soft shells), or add much warmth - but still have pit zips just in case.
I'll toss in a second vote for a large Down Sweater based on your measurements. Still won't be bulky or oversized, and I think you'll be happy with the additional length and room in the chest. I wouldn't worry about overheating with this thing on it's own, the temperature range is awesome. I run warm also, and when it's cold I've got to be moving quite a bit to take this off. And if it's super nasty out you'll love having this under your hard shell, tough to beat. It's definitely the perfect jacket for what you're looking for, and as for a hard shell I would recommend the Patagonia Shelter Stone. For freezing rain or wet snow it's one of the best out there. (I'd shoot for a large there as well). It's got pitzips and will keep you dry in the worst conditions a New York winter can throw at it. Hope this helps!
6, 190, 16-16.5, 35 sleeve & 34 waist, 41-42 chest and I went w the large. Definitly room to layer under it. Not really sure that I could squeeze into a med and still have the right sleeve length though. I hate sleeves that ride up on a jacket Given the jacket weighs next to nothing, you could order 2 and return the other....should only be a few bucks to return plus the hassle of mailing.
If you're concerned with overheating, whatever hardshell you choose, I would make sure it has pit zips. You might even try a soft shell like the ascenionist. It doesnt have pit zips, but it would breath better than a hard shell and should be decent protection in all but the worst rain....then again, if its raining that hard and you're wearing the down, its probably coming down as snow. Quite a few sales going are on the ascenionist.
My wife and I are Northface buffs, but tried the Patagonia, and we love it. It is so thin, and ridiculously light, yet is very warm. Not bulky at all. You can wear this under a shell, or even a down jacket, and won't feel like your arms are being squeezed to death. The shell is a bit on the thin side, so I get a little worried about tearing it...
Less bulky than the Northface Redpoint. A great addition for those looking for an all-season jacket.
Mine spends a lot of time under my Patagonia Powder Bowl jacket. Although, that's only when it get's really cold. I like how the blue and green look together too. Honestly the Down Sweater is going to be awesome under any waterproof shell. Nothing beats the warmth to weight ratio of down.
Two of my favorite pieces to layer over the Down Sweater are the Patagonia Stretch Element, or Stretch Ascent jackets. Both are awesome waterproof hard shells, with a little bit of stretch to them so they move well with you. For the most bomber, waterproof option check out the Patagonia Shelter Stone. Having any of those over a Down Sweater would be a very, very warm combination.
Simply put: I won't go out into the backcountry without the Patagonia Down Sweater. It is amazingly warm, incredibly light, and packs down to nothing. If the weather is questionable at all, I throw it in the pack and feel completely equipped for wind, snow, and even light rain (thanks to the DWR). I don't know how I ever did without this essential layer from Patagonia. My only gripe: I am 6'5" (and hence have a freaky long torso), and have a size large, which fits well, except for the torso length. I wish they had a tall version.
Picked this up and since then it has been my go to jacket when things get a little cooler. Works great over a few lighter under-layers or whatever you have on underneath. Also works an insulating layer under a shell when you need a little extra warmth. Packs down ridiculously small and stuffs down into its inner pocket. Wear it anywhere and it works and gets attention. Highly recommended and one of my favorite pieces.
large should fit you well for the most part. I'm 6'1 170 and everything I own is a large and I'm happy with it.I am 6'1 and 180, and I got the M. Its perfect for a midlayer. If you plan on wearing thicker layers underneath (which besides a baselayer or two, I don't) then get the LargeI would say that you should consider how you want to wear the jacket. I'm 6'4" and wear a medium. I'd prefer to leave only a light layer of air between my body and the jacket as I find that the atmospere protected by the shell of the coat is better sealed this way.And yes, I do have room for a mid layer in there and this way there is room for a hard shell over the top.Go medium, this thing is boxy as hell.
Very light, packs well, and the insulation is sufficient for most endeavors. The cuffs have stretched out and frayed rather quickly and I prefer waist cinches on both sides to minimize the amount of elastic cord hanging at belt level.
This is my first down jacket, and I could not be happier. It is super light, packs down to the size of a nalgene, fits perfectly under a shell for when it's dumping, and of course, super toasty. Even when it is -10 F with a stiff breeze, all i need to wear under this jacket is a tshirt. It really is that warm. As for durability, I take care of all my gear the best i can, and thankfully have not ripped it yet. The fabric isn't very thick, but what do you expect from such a light jacket? The loft of the down has started to break down from repeated packings, but shaking it seems to restore most of the original loft. Even still, it is soooooo toasty.
I've only had it for two weeks but already been in 14 deg F temps with no problems. Relatively wind proof and EXTREMELY light and packs down to nothing. Nothing even to nikpik on this one.
It is perfect for layering. Not too bulky and the smooth fabric moves nicely under a softshell or hard shell. Like Ty said, only for the coldest of days though. I wear it as a piece of evening outerwear in Tahoe, but wore it as a layer under a softshell for some colder days in Colorado in Feb.
This would keep you plenty warm for sure if worn under a hard shell. I personally only layer like that for the coldest of days, i tend to get hot though. It's got a great fit for layering and is low profile enough not to be super bulky.
Great fitting and performing jacket, not too puffy. Use it under your hardshell on cold days. Packs down small. I keep it in the back of my truck to beat the chill during post ski/bike beer. Montbell makes a good one too, but I'd go with Patagonia for their renowned customer service.
Considering this jacket as my main insulation layer for a Kilimanjaro summit, along with a mid- to heavy-weight Capilene base, technical softshell and Arc'Teryx ProShell outer layer.I generally run pretty warm and after trying this on in the store it seemed pretty toasty. But I'm led to expect -15F for several hours on the summit day. Any ideas as to whether this thinner 800-fill down layer will be (acceptably) comparable to a bulkier 600-fill with regard to insulation?
Not good for a main insulation layer where you are going. Even though it's 800, it's less than half the thickness of a bulky 600 fill and not as warm. The shell is very light as well and wind and water can penetrate. I love it for the backcountry, but not for a big mountain summit like you are thinking of.
I personally think that the setup you're talking about will be plenty good for those durations of temps. This is a very warm jacket and perfect for what you're looking for. You should be good to go! Have a great trip!!!Hope that helps.From Talis - You'll be good. From what I remember, I wore 2 layers of capilene with a mountain hardware windstopper fleece for most of the summit. We did do the western breach, which was a bit more strenous, but you should be good on any of the routes. Of course, once we hit the glacier, I threw on a shell because it becomes pretty exposed up there. Have fun and if you can, try to make it to Zanzibar for a bit of R&R afterward. Beware the sea urchins during lowtide. It's a pain stepping on them. Trust me...
This jacket is warm and very light. I use it under a shell to ski in the Buffalo NY area because you can never really tell what the weather will do here.
What else is there to say, Patagonia is the shizznizzle. Down sweater warm and packs down nicely Why are you still reading reviews, buy one now! You wont be disappointed
I've always worn gear with synthetic material as lining -- hey, if we can land a man on the moon, we can certainly manufacture better stuff than what nature provides, right? -- but I have been truly impressed with this down jacket. Its combination of lightness with warmth is better than anything else like it I own.
Kept me warm through a wide range of temperatures while trekking in Nepal recently. On the extra cold nights, it was completely comfortable to sleep in - the lack of bulk is a definite plus. Very highly recommended!
I recently purchased this jacket and used it at several locations in Summit Co., Colorado. I wore it under a North Face Stretch Ama Dablam on two days, in 15 to 20 degree weather. I also wore it under an Arcteryx Gamma MX soft shell on one day, in 25 to 30 degree weather. Overall, I stayed warm under varying conditions and at the top of several peaks. Size up if you plan to layer. Standing alone, the coat is warm without the bulk of other downs. In my opinion, the only downside is that the draw cord around the waste is designed poorly.
This jacket is really nice, but the sizing is really bad. There is a permanent crease in the arms which doesn't help much when the fit is already boxy. There is a ton of room to layer under it and the length of the jacket is really long. I have the Patagonia R2 fleece jacket in a Medium and it fits perfect. I know that this jacket is considered to be a regular fit, but I definitely either should have went with another jacket like the Mountain Hardwear Nitrous or just downsized to a small, which I do not like to do because I would consider myself a medium usually. So just keep in mind, this is not fitted at all.
Some down jackets are meant for staying warm and looking good when its cold out side, but are too bulky to put in your pack. The Down Sweater is a great piece that you can stuff in its own sack and chuck in your pack. This is the best of both worlds, it is a good looking/functional down jacket that you can use anywhere, anytime. I love it!
I have the half zip down sweater and I love it for backpacking! It's light weight, packs amazingly small and also doubles great as a pillow (A Down Pillow at that).
Only Con: Fabric on the outside is littleweight and can puncture if caught on a sharp tree etc... Just don't bushwack in it and you'll never have a problem.
What color is "North Sea"? It looks black on some sites, gray/green on others, and on some it just looks like dark gray. I hate cutesy names. At least call it "North Sea Gray" (if it is actually gray). Wait, or would "North Sea Grey" be more appropriate?
I just purchased this jacket. I love it. It is super light and warm. And you can get it to fit in the smallest of bags. You cant bet the price for the jacket.
If you hike in the Sierras, buy this jacket now. It's super light, packable and acts as a great pillow. Don't forget, down can be a little sketchy in rain so make sure this isn't your solution for a heavy downpour. The Patagonia Houdini works well as a protector of fine feathers in moderate showers. If you're expecting lots of rain, consider the synthetic option.
As others say, it's super light, super comfy, and super warm. I would never go backpacking or alpine climbing without it. I also love to wear it around town. Some of my friends say I look like the Michelin Man, or like an orange marshmallow. I don't care, though, cause it's so dang comfy.
I'm 6', 170 pounds, and I wear a medium. It's even a little big, so I'd warn you against sizing up from your normal size in order to fit more layers underneath. Unless you want to wear 10 layers underneath.
I love this jacket, but wish the material was a little stronger. It's great how little space it takes in the pack given how cozy it is, but more than once it's stayed in the pack because I was worried about shredding it. On a cool morning in joshua tree I wore it while leading a warm-up climb, which ended up being two grades harder because I had to keep the jacket away from the razor sharp granite. I end up wearing it more in town than in the backcountry.
I often use mine as an outer layer when backcountry skiing. As soon as I get to the top, I put the jacket on to retain heat, and then down I go. This jacket has withstood several brushes with branches and various abrasions. But I wouldn't expect it to stand up to razor sharp granite. For the weight of the material -- its selling point -- it's very durable.
First, I love this jacket. I'm a fit 6'1" and am pretty happy with the large. X-large felt bulky. Every detail and stitch is excellent. However, after 3-4 months of use the main zipper has essentially had it. Going to return to Patagonia for repair/replacement. Not impressed and have heard others having similar problems with Patagonia zippers.
all is good because it's super light, compresses to unbelievable size for the warmth. But. It's losing down more than any other down jacket I've owned.
Using the The RateSkiGear.Com 100 Point Rating Systemâ¢, this Patagonia Down Sweater scores 91 out of 100 Possible Points.
Why?
It's the perfect layering piece for those brutally cold days. Actually, you can reduce the numbers of layers due to high loft to weight ratio. The high fill-power of the down makes this unit highly compressable, but it has the loft to keep me from freezing to the bone.
Alone, this is a great "kick-around" piece on the street or in camp.
Dislikes: No hand warmer pockets, however, if your are wearing this under a shell it makes no differance. Very fragile fabric. Tears easily. Remember however, that the fabrics fragility is directly related to its weight, so carry some rip-tape and live with it!
Backcountry.Com's price is very good. I've looked around and most retailers no longer have this piece in stock. BUY IT!
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I bought this jacket for my guy for a Christmas present. He loves it. He wears all the time. Light enough to go under his shell on cold days to ski and just to throw on to walk the dogs. Looks great. Only thing Patagonia needs to consider is adding pit zips to their down jackets).
It's really not that warm. Yes, it weighs 3/4 lb, and it packs down super small, but it's not much warmer than a heavyweight Capilene layer underneath a shell. That also packs down small, costs 1/4 the price, and weighs less. However, it doesn't block wind, so if you want this as your outerwear (for around town in the 40s, etc) it would be pretty nice. Also, the feathers are constantly poking through, and making little holes all over the jacket. It's okay--not great, but it doesn't totally suck either. I'll just stick with some fleece or heavy long underwear as a layer.
Me likes it alot. I read the reviews and they say its hot. I put it on and it transforms me to another universe where I can breath underwater and fly through the air. I think it must be filled with magic goose down.
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