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For cold-weather mountaineering expeditions, make the Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero Down Jacket your toasty refuge for chilly belays and summit-ridge slogs. This 650-fill down jacket features Taslan reinforcements on the shoulders and arms for resisting harsh mountain abrasion. Two fleece handwarmer pockets keep blood flowing in your digits, and the Sub Zero compresses quickly for easy transport.
Bottom Line: Furnace-like warmth for sub-zero conditions.
First off, I'm 5'7", 145lb, 30" waist, and the small fits nicely. I usually wear medium jackets, but I wanted a down layering piece that fit a more tightly. It's trim, but there's still plenty of space to move. This jacket feels very lightweight, but it is insanely warm. I can sit in 35 degree weather not moving and I'll get hot. I can't imagine using this skiing unless it was sub-zero, but for non-aerobic activities when it's cold, this thing is great to have. It also packs down fairly small---maybe to the size of a larger-diameter Nalgene bottle.
Is anyone out there about 5'11, 177 lbs? I got a large size and Im deathly afraid the medium was the way to go...Please tell me I was correct in my purchase...
that keeps you real warm. The decision between the Mountain Hardware Sub Zero Jacket and the similiar but higher priced North Face was difficult at first. However, after speaking to the representatives at Backcountry and my own research led me to the Sub Zero. I love this jacket. It keeps me toasty warm, is very light weight, extremely comfortable and was a much better value than the North Face. It is also less "bubbly" than the North Face which was a plus. The customer service as well as the price and shipping on this product gives Backcountry a 4 star rating. This is a great jacket that I would highly recommend to anyone.
Well, let me take a stab: The MontBell is made with a 30D nylon, utilizing 800 fill down, and is about 11.3oz and costs about $160 bucks. Mountain Hardwear's most similar jacket to this is the Phantom Jacket. The Patagonia Fitzroy is made with a 50-denier 100% all-recycled polyester ripstop with a DWR (durable water repellent) finish. They use 700-fill down and it costs $250 bucks according to the Patagonia website. The most similar jacket in Mountain Hardwear's line would probably be this Sub Zero Jacket.
All of these jackets will keep you warm while standing still as they are all very similar, with great features, and all very nice. It really comes down to how much money you want to spend and which brand you like. If you want to be extremely warm... I would check out the Absolute Zero Jacket from Mountain Hardwear as it is the warmest thing we could come up with and still call it a jacket! Hope this helps!
So I purchased this jacket with high hopes that it would fulfill the trusted and true Mountain Hardwear standard and this jacket has set the precedent on how 650 fill down jackets should be made. Toasty warm, moderate weight, stout and durable craftsmanship. Wore only a cotton short sleeve t-shirt under this jacket in 20 degree, 20 mph winds for 5 hours and was completely comfortable with no cold spots observed. This jacket can take temperatures much lower if layered correctly. My estimate is -20 deg. at the very lowest. Mountain Hardwear makes quality clothes / jackets / pants / tents / etc. to stand up to the toughest Mother Nature can afford us. This jacket is dur-a-ble as well. Tough sewn in panels protect the high wear spots from abrasive materials rubbing away at the fabric which if not there would shorten this jackets life considerably. I can see this being my go-to jacket in freezing temps and should last me 4 winter seasons at a minimum. Bombproof and coldproof. Great product MHW, thank you.
Devin. Short answer? Yes. Long answer... it depends on what else you are wearing, how you have it layered, temps outside, your specific metabolism, and last but not least... the weather. If you are looking for a warm, relatively durable, and versatile down jacket... look no further. If you think you might need one with a little more weather protection check out the Mountain Hardwear SL Hooded Jacket. Hope this helps!
I bought this jacket in San Diego prepairing for travel to Afghanistan and untill I got hear I was using it for a pillow. Now that it's cold I use it every day and it fits the climate.I'm at 3500 ft in south west Afghanistan with USMC and i get a lot of compliments about jacket, mostly someone want's to buy it. It's the best buy i've made in a long time.
Write your question here...i am about to buy this jacket but having a hard time figuring out what size to get. i usually where large but not sure if that will be to tight to wear a hoodie under it. but if i buy a XL I am afraid it will be to large... i am 5-10 192lbs.
great jacket for a great price. wear it often for cold days on the hill with nothing but a t-shirt underneath. worn it for over two years and no signs of stress.
Lee. Fabric? Wondering what it is made out of? If it is waterproof? More detail in questions always makes for better answers. With that said, I'll give it a shot. The body of the coat is made with a fabric called zRip... which is a ripstop poly. Here are the details: 100% polyester 55D microfiber ripstop. Cire back, downproof by construction and very soft. DWR finish. 2.1 oz/yd2. The shoulders and abrasion areas are covered with a Taslan that is more durable and makes for an extremely long lasting down coat. Hope this is what you were looking for. Cheers!
This coming Canadian winter will shy away from the power of the Sub Zero. I'm super excited about this jacket. I wore it the other night when it was hovering around the frost point, without anything underneath it...and was still toasty.
Only thing i'd say is the short torso may not appeal to some. It's just fine by me that's for sure. I look forward to belaying in cold weather with this jacket, as the shorter torso is the perfect length for not interfering with a harness!
I bought this after a back injury caused spasms which got worse when the winter weather hit. I bought this and the Dome Pignon beanie. I dont think I could have made a better choice!!! I would buy it again when and if this ones wears out. I love the cocobolo color option - not your average color!
I have a mountain hardware exposure II in an Large. The jacket fits perfect. Normally I wear an XL in everything else. What size should I buy in the sub zero jacket. LG or XL?
I'd buy an XL. 1. because you will probably wear it over other clothing in cold weather and 2. because the Sub Zero is cut shorter, by design, than the Exposure II. Hope this info helps!
Holy Moley this jacket is warm, at one point I broke out into a sweat. Wow. I absolutely love it. I'm not sure how it fits on men, but for a women, it is Ideal. I'm 5'7" and weight in at a buck 25.
Help!!!! My son will be going to college in New Hampshire this fall. We are from the south and have no idea what types of jackets he will need to have for walking around the campus this winter. He doesn't own a coat since sweat shirts and light jackets are all that is needed for the few cold days. We don't know what to buy. What do you recommend for him? I know he will receive several heavy hooded sweat shirts from his coaches, but beyond that we have no clue.
You might want to look at a synthetic insulated jacket. They often have a DWR coating or are waterproof. I have an Outdoor research chaos jacket that I've worn in light rain in February. MH also makes insulated jackets that are waterproof.
This jacket is NOT too warm for a winter in New Hampshire! This will work, will be lightweight, and he won't even know he's wearing a warm jacket. Get it.
It's very light and compact, perfect for camp but also something you'd carry on the climb. This saved my bacon at 13,000' last fall when we took the wrong way down...
I was given this coat as a gift at work (outdoor work) and it has been a great way to stay warm in any weather. It has faced four Utah winters. Lots of -20 (colder with wind) weather this winter in the Uintah Basin of Utah and never once even mildly cold. The only cold thing about this coat is anything it doesn't cover (legs, heads, etc.). It holds up to abrasion and dry snow as well. I even got battery acid on the sleeve and it didn't melt too bad!
i have a large subzero and a large xenon shell which fits over it pretty well. at that point its not really a very 'athletic' fit anymore (slightly bulky) but for the most part if you are wearing a down jacket and shell its probably because you are hunkered down and not really moving anyway.
Hmmm...if you need a layering piece consider, perhaps, the MHW LoDown, it has pit zips and sheds water better and is a tad lighter. I would think an XL shell would fit fine over the XL Sub Zero, keep in mind this jacket is super warm - a perfect companion for slower pace travel!!!
I am 6'4" and wear an XL in mountain hardwear gear but I couldn't find a size in this that fit well. I realize that it is supposed to be shorter so it does not stick out under your shell, or so you can wear a harness but it was just too short. Ended up getting the BC luft for $50 so the story ends well. If this jacket fits you, lucky you.
its primarily a warm layer jacket and though when you first buy it it may shed slight drizzle due to a nikwax type spray coating , it will soon rub / wash out . And if you've ever got anything down wet you'll know what its like to dry. It will also become less effective once dry
Warmth: It seems plenty warm but I wont really know till the winter. I recently spent a few nights at about 4000' so it was pretty chilly (40s) and this jacket kept me plenty warm with only a t-shirt on underneath. I was a bit sunburned and exhausted (thus unable to properly warm myself) and this jacket really made the difference between a lousy evening and a comfortable one.
Packability: It comes with a stuff sack - once packed into said sack its about as tall as a nalgene and about twice the diameter. With a compression sack im sure you could do better. It does not seem that the stuff sack is at all water shedding so that needs to be dealt with by the user.
Other stuff: The materials probably would shed light drizzle but would not likely hold up to a down pour. I know this jacket is not technically a down-sweater but I'm planning to use it as such and I think it will prove to be very versatile as both a standalone and a layer.
Can this fit under a softshell ? or is it a standalone.I'm looking for down jacket to fit under a softshell or bike rain jacket when i cycle in alaska in september/october.What do you recommend?thanks,
If you're looking for primarily an insulation layer, I would suggest a down sweater, like the Patagonia or Montbell. These are simple, no-frills jackets that dispense with bells and whistles and use very high quality down to make them extremely warm for their relative weight. I use a Patagonia Sweater in the backcountry and love its versatility. Furthermore, I think buying a full-fledged down jacket for cycling would be extreme overkill. Not only would you not be able to cycle any better than the Stay-Puft marshamallow man, but down jackets really aren't meant for highly aerobic activities.
OK, I've never had a down jacket before, but after a recent trip to Joshua Tree, I'd love to have some compressable warmth. My question is: how do the MH Sub Zero and MH Compressor (PrimaloftOne) compare for actual warmth? I'm sure the LoDown would be an option also. Uses would be backpacking/hiking and general wear. Thanks!
I have both the Sub Zero and the Compressor PL. If you want compressible warmth, it will absolutely be the Compressor. It packs down to fit inside 3/4 of a 1L Nalgene bottle, the Sub Zero when packed all the way down is 6"x9". If you do anything active at all besides stand around outside in the Sub Zero, you will literally sweat your balls off no matter how cold it is outside. The Sub is just sickening warm. The Compressor is also extremely warm for how light and thin it is. I would say with a lot of confidence that for it's weight, 15 oz, it is the warmest jacket of it's kind out there. Primaloft really is superior in warmth to Mountain Hardwear's synthetic insulation Thermic Micro. The material used with the Compressor is highly, highly wind resistant. Highly. The material used with the Sub Zero is very tough for a down jacket. Both will last you at least 3 years with significant wear. My Compressor has survived at thruhike of the AT and it's still in very good shape. Mountain Hardwear is just a great company.
Bottom Line: The Sub Zero will keep you HOT in Sub Zero weather. Truly. The Compressor will keep you WARM in sub 20's.
I have this jacket and I wear it in the winter as my main parka. It seems to do very well with temps below freezing. I typically need to put a base layer on (besides a tshirt) once it gets lower then 10 F. I have not owned the compressor but looking at it in the store I can't imagine it would be very warm. The insulation seems thin. Get the sub zero and add some nikwax to the shell to help shed the rain if it gets above freezing. I truly love my coat. Wear it all the time.
This is the best down jacket in its class, hands down! I swear by Mountain Hardwear products, they have never disappointed me. I recently wore this jacket during the arctic blast that hit Montana in early December 2008--temps were -35 wind chill. Out of curiosity I went for a little walk to test the jacket out under these extreme conditions. To my astonishment my upper body was unharmed by the cold. Tough jacket.
How does this jacket compare size-wise with the MH Phantom? Our local outdoor shop only has the Phantom in stock, but I want to mail-order this one. Just conerned about size differences. Thanks!
The Phantom and the Sub Zero are similar in fit. If you fit a medium in the Phantom Jacket then you will fit a medium in a Sub Zero Jacket.--------------I have to disagree. I had a L in the Phantom and it fit great, a tiny bit baggy so it won't ride up when I lift my arms, that kind of thing. Then I switched to the Sub Zero SL and the M is the same fit, maybe even a bit baggier. I'm 5'9", 145 pounds.
Jacket is extremely warm. I thought fit was ok. Takes a little adjusting to the "puffiness" of it. I feel like George C. in the Puffy Coat for all you Seinfeld fans. The down tends to leak out too which doesn't bother me, but my wife doesn't like all the white feathers on the seat in her cars' black interior.
I'm looking at the MH Sub Zero and the Lodown, both of which seem to have the same fill amount and are water resistant, but a fairly big price difference. I've got a MH Escape shell (XL) and am looking for a warm layer to put underneath it. Are there any differences I don't know about to pick one other the other?
The MH Sub Zero will not shed water like the Lodown, and is just a tad heavier. The Lodown also has pit zips. I would use the Lodown for layering while skiing or super active cold sports. The Sub Zero is probably more suitable for alpine climbing and activities in the cold that tend to be slower pace. -----------------------Both the LoDown and Sub Zero are similar jackets. The main difference is that the LoDown has slightly less 650 fill down than the Sub Zero (1lb.7oz. vs 1lb. 110z.) with the idea that it would be used as a layering piece as well as a stand alone jacket. Both have a good DWR and both will shed a little moisture just fine. Hope this info helps!
I am 5'10" and 165lbs and ordered the L, because I wanted to be able to wear as an outer layer over other things. As others have noticed, it is slightly short in the torso, but not too much and it stays down if the waist cords are tightened on my hips. Nicely constructed with tougher material on high-wear areas; more polished than my old TNF Nuptuse down jacket. Good value for the money. I also have the MH SubZero Parka (longer, so no problems with shortness but a bit too much except when it gets to -40C) and the MH Phantom Down Jacket (more fragile, but lighter and perfect to stuff in a pack when hiking/skiing).
Ok, I've read all these Q&A's... and here's what I want to know, if I am going to face rain, what should I do, buy this? Or look at another model? I think I'm up against the hardest combo, that is ultra cold, definitely could be looking at sub-below temperatures or other very cold days with rain, sleet/snow.Bottom line, should I buy this item AND a totally water proof shelf to wear on really wet days? Or go with a totally different jacket altogether? Thanks!
This jacket is not good in the rain, but the SL models with a conduit shell shed water surprizingly well, although, if you are going to be exposed to heavy rain for any length of time you better get a good shell. If it is ultra cold and kinda wet the sub zero sl would fit the bill! If its cold and really wet get the sub zero with a seperate shell, like maybe the Epic or the Quark.----------------------------I don't know what you mean by sub-below, but keep in mind that if it is more than a few degrees below freezing, it won't rain, and if it's above freezing and you're moving around a lot, this'll be too warm.
This is definitely the warmest jacket I've ever owned. I'm 5'8" and 165lbs. Bought a Med. and it fits great. I love the fleece pockets and the extra large one inside. The only down side is the outer material. It does have reinforced shoulders but I snagged a sleeve and already got a small hole in it. Any recommendations on patching the thin material? Still one of my favorite jackets for keeping warm in the Alps.
Just bought this in the cocobolo color. Its a deep burgandy (in my opinion)or an auburn-ish color. The trim is black. I like the color more after getting it in the mail; not the typical "winter coat colors"!!
I cant decide between this jacket and the marmot guides down sweater. I have a medium patagonia softshell, so I doubt I will fit either of these jackets under it. Which one would be best for the freezing cold, wet, washington mountains? Thanks.
The jackets are very similar with the same 650 quality down. The weight is almost exactly the same and I know that neither of them have any sort of laminate that would make them waterproof in wet weather. Both have very good DWR's that will make them water resistant. If you are looking for something to keep you warm when really wet... good luck. But a better choice might be a jacket with synthetic insulation.
I wear this jacket in any weather (I've worn it down to -20F) and been comfortable. Looking back, I should have gotten the hooded version, but I'm happy with this jacket.
Very comfortable, fits true to size, and has lots of pockets!
This jacket is so warm we live were it gets down to -45 to -50 as long as I wear a sweatshirt underneath I still good to go. I would check the sizes though first I'm 6' 1'' and 145 pounds and got a large which is a good size for me.
Yes, check either the Absolute Zero Jacket from Mountain Hardwear (non-detachable hood) or, for a bit less money, the Downtown Coat (w/ detachable hood), also from Hardwear. Cheers!
Super jacket. Incredibly warm and it packs down really well in the provided stuff sack. I'm sure with a compression sack it could be squished down even more. It's definitely a great choice as a belay jacket and the ripstop nylon and burly arm patches are a nice addition to ward off pesky ice screws & ice tools that seem to like munch holes down jackets. The only drawback (and it's minor one) about his jacket is the lack of a hood. Overall, a really great jacket and priced very fairly for the quality and workmanship.
One difference is that the Sub Zero jacket use 650 fill down. The Aconcagua uses 550 fill down. Also, the Sub Zero jacket has slightly tougher material on the shoulders and elbow areas where the Aconcagua does not. Also, the Aconcagua weighs 21.1oz and the Sub Zero weighs 27oz... not a ton of difference by any means but seeing as how a higher quality down in being used in the Sub Zero... the Sub Zero might be a little more puffy and therefore warmer. Hope this helps!
You can... but it is not a waterproof jacket. It has a very high quality DWR (durable water repellent finish) that will keep much of the moisture out of the jacket. Even if the jacket becomes soaking wet it will not be ruined. Just dry and it will be good to go!
This is a VERY warm jacket with good stitching and zippers. Know that this is a climber's design, so it's cut a bit short at the waist for all you fashion folks out there. As for the puffy look others are writing about, if it's 10 degrees out, do you care about how you look? This is the warmest outdoor jacket I've owned. A few feathers pop out now and then, but I've noticed that about every down outdoor product I've ever owned. The feathers should be all gone in about a hundred years or so. Excellent product from an excellent company.
You can, but if you're outside for a long time and it's warm enough for the snow to melt, you're going to get wet.Down is for COLD. If you think snow could melt or that it may rain, try something a tad more waterproof.
The best 650 fill light weight jacket on the market. I am 6' and it is a good fit. Would like it about 2 in longer in the trunk. It is a great car or travel coat though.
What're the main differences between this jacket and the Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL Hooded Down Jacket. I live in Seacoast NH and it gets cold here but not too, too many days below zero during the winter, and my main use of this jacket would be casual with some days belaying ice climbing, and possible winter hikes. Which jacket would you guys recommend? Is the hood the main difference? Is it worth the extra $90?
It is worth the extra $90 bucks especially if you are going to belay in it. The deal is that the Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket for one is hooded, which is nice when belaying, and two it is made utilizing the Conduit SL laminate in the shell fabric which makes it extremely weather resistant. Also, the Sub Zero SL Hooded is baffled like a sleeping bag... so, no cold spots! Hope this info helps.
I'm 6'3" and 190 lbs. I ordered a large. It seems to be a little short in the sleeves and overall length. Also, there is a good bit of room in the chest and stomach of the jacket; almost to much. Seems like there is less down in the lower back of the jacket. I don't know if it was manufactured that way or if the down has just escaped over time. However the jacket is extremely warm. I wore it on a camping trip with temperatures in the teens and wind gust of 20 mph. I stayed warm the entire time. Great jacket, but I have to give it 3 stars for the fit. If it was about an inch or two longer it would be perfect.
Duck feather down.-------------------------650 fill (minimum) Grey European GOOSE Down... not sure if there are Ducks involved or not in the construction of this jacket!
I have now owned this jacket for about 4 years and have been very happy with it. Aside from being a very warm jacket, its construction is high quality and there is good attention to detail with its features. I am particular pleased with the fleece lined pockets and collar, as well as the elastic bottom draw cord that are located inside the pockets (so you don't have to take your hands out). It also packs down to a small size for easy packing. As per other reviews, the length may be a tad short especially if it rides up, but keeping the draw cords tight will prevent this. In my opinion, this is a better alternative to the seemingly ubiquitous North Face Nuptse jacket
I'm 6'4", 42 chest, 34 waist. I wear the XL and it fits perfectly. Sleeves are long enough, and the waist of the coat hits me right at the waist (novel idea, right?). This is my favorite winter jacket, due in large part to the cut. It's also super warm, and after 8 years, has been super durable. It's money well spent.
I'm 5'9", 155lbs and bought a medium. It is a little big in the chest and a bit short (but the drawstrings can keep the cold out). It's possible that if it was a little more form fitting it would be warmer, perhaps I should have bought a small. It seems rather durable- the fabric hasn't ripped even though it has been snagged on brush when moving through the woods. I was hoping it would be much warmer, but that's what the expensive jackets are for, right? The price is right as well. oh yeah- it's looks good too!
Your best bet would be to get a large. The XL would probably fit you better in length but it would be super roomy in the chest area. Large will probably be your best fit...
gOOD JACKET. VERY WARM. STOOD OUTSIDE WITH IT ALL DAY IN DECEMBER IN TENNNESSEE AT TRIPPLE CROWN BOULDER COMP (IT SNOWED A BIT BUT NOT MUCH). DIDNT WIN, DIDNT GET COLD. WORE BASE LAYER AND FLEEC BELOW IT. AND FITS GOOD, DOESNT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE THE FAT KID AS DID A PREVIOUS DOWN JACKET I HAD.
I bought the black one for my 14 year old son and now his dad wants one too. It is warm, comfortable without being huge and puffy! It's not as puffy as it looks in the picture. It really looks good and works for so many activities. He even wears it to the ski slopes. Plenty of room to layer too. Mountain hardware is always a great buy! I love their womens stuff too.
I've owned my Mountain Hardwear Sub 0 for over a year now. This jacket will keep you warm for sure. On extremely cold days I couple this jacket with my Mountain Hardwear Monkey Man fleece and I am as toasty as when I'm sitting by the fire. These jackets are not designed to be waterproof so just throw your Gore-Tex shell on over it and enjoy the outdoors worry free. The included stuff sack makes the jacket compress nicely, but add a compression sack and you can make this jacket fit in even the smallest of daypacks. Try doing that with your run-of-the-mill parka and liner. If you want quality and warmth go with MH, don't let the pricetag scare you and don't pay the same or more for another brand just because of the name. They make quality apparel for outdoor enthusiasts. I wear this "puffer" all the time, whether it be up in the mountains or around town. The only reason I didn't give this 5 stars is that the sizes didn't fit me exactly how I wanted. I bought a small for my 5'8'' 155lb frame and it is a little short in the torso but not too much. The sleeves on the medium were just too long for me. This coat will keep you warm!
I don't think I have ever loved an article of clothing as much as I love this coat. I am 6'7" and have an XL that fits great. The fleece lined pockets are a really nice touch. I went for a quick spin on my motorcycle the other day, air temp was 24 and I was toasty warm. Sooo good.
Awesome jacket, came in a timely fashion to my home in far north canada. We are average -30 here and have put the jacket to the test several occasions already and it performs...and it packs very small with little weight
I got this jacket for my Dad on his birthday and he says he loves it. It's very warm, the Cocobolo is a good brown color, the fleece-lined hand pockets are nice, and the shoulder and elbow fabrics are durable. He says he's sure he will be warm when he has to go out and feed the horses first thing in the morning!
I had been wanting a down jacket for a while before I got this. I went into the local store and tried it on and knew it was the one I wanted. Super comfy from the first time I tried it on.
I'm 6'2" and about 195 lbs and I bought a large. It's roomy enough that I can layer underneath it no problem, but not too big that I'm getting lost inside of it. It's just right.
Though I will say this, its been the rare occasion that I've had to layer with this coat. I bought it primarily for the Sundance Film Festival because those January nights in Park City can be pretty brutal. It has done a great job keeping me warm. Paired with a good beanie (Mtn Hardwear Dome Perignon) it was all I needed to be comfortable in <20 degree weather. Great Jacket.
I realize that no jacket is really the best ever. But if it's cold in Park City, I pull on this jacket. It's warm, it breathes, the ripstop nylon is super durable (had a run in with a stucco wall, jacket doesn't have a mark on it), and it keeps enough moisture off to stand outside and watch pretty much anything. The cut is generous without being michelin-esque. This jacket is cozy, comfortable, good looking and long wearing. I've had mine for 8 years and it still looks as good as the day I bought it. This is the best, cold weather, stand outside and watch a winter concert at the Canyons, jacket ever. It's a little too warm for heavy activity, but packs up tight so you can throw it in your pack as an emergency shell/insulator for winter camping/snowcaving/ski touring.
This jacket is awesome and totally warm with one glaring exception- it is wayy too short. I'm 5'10" 175lbs. and this coat barely makes it past my waist. If I sit down or bend over slightly my lower back becomes completely exposed. This is quite annoying. How did nobody else found this as a problem?? I'm not even tall...
This jacket is not only super warm, it's super comfortable. I got it last year and it was perfect for those winter camping trips where you can't muster a fire. Defiantly the warmest jacket I've ever used. And don't worry about wear and tear. It comes with tough shoulders and after a year of use it hasn't lost any feathers and still looks brand new
Backcountry. Fantastic service. PROMPT, RELIABLE, shame about the taxation sydtem on delivery. UPS are beyond namely they will not hand over the item you have already paid fpr unless you pay them up front. Theree's a balance here between ordering quality gear in the appropriate sizes not available in europe and being penalized by the charges having to be paid up front. Its such a shame!!
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