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Stuffed with high-lofting, super-compressing 800-fill goose down, the Mountain Hardwear Men’s Phantom Down Jacket is the ultimate lightweight weapon against backcountry chills. Whether you’re stopped for lunch on a ski tour, belaying your buddy on pitch eight, or just hoofing it to the coffee shop in the bitter cold, the Phantom has it covered. Handwarmer pockets bring your chilled fingers back to life, and at only 15 ounces, the Phantom practically vanishes into your pack when you’re on the move
You will look like the Michelin man when you wear this. I've had mine four 4 years and wear it on a consisteent basis. No quality problems and I've never been cold in it. Packs down real small into a stuff sac (included) for keeping in your pack too. My shell does have one small rip in it from an aggressive puppy, but it has not spread due to the rip-stop. Great Jacket!
I am looking for a down jacket to keep me warm at the campsite on winter backpacking trips in the western NC mountains. I can get this jacket or a North Face Elysium jacket for almost identical prices. Which do I select and why? Also, I am 5'7", 155 lbs and think the medium in each jacket would be the proper fit. Am I correct? Thanks in advance.
I would personally choose the Mtn Hardwear. The Phantom uses 800 fill down while TNF uses 700 fill. Bottom line on that is the Phantom is a warmer jacket that weighs about the same as TNF.
TNF Elysium is not water resistant. The Phantom is not DWR but it can handle a bit of rain.
The Phantom has two handwarmer (meaning soft feeling) pockets, a chest pocket and an internal pocket. The Elysium has two pockets where you can warm your hands but TNF jacket doesn't provide you with the extra comfort a more elegantly designed handwarmer does. TNF also lacks the internal pocket.
The difference in the quality of the down is a major factor. The other major factor that leaps out at me is the difference in the fabrics used in each jacket. TNF uses a 100% nylon fabric. The Phantom uses a 15 denier ripstop nylon. Denier is the unit used to measure the strength of a fabric. (There is a formula for measuring denier -- 1 denier = 1 gram of mass per 9000 meters.) Anyway, the higher the denier, the stronger the fabric.
Ripstop nylon is also stronger than simple nylon. Those little squares you see on a ripstop jacket are produced by first inter-weaving the threads and then diagonially over-weaving them to make a crosshatch pattern. This process stops or limits rips and tears. In theory -- I've never managed to tear any type of nylon.
I think a med would fit you, but check your chest and waist measurements before you decide.
You might want to consider one other factor which neither of these two jackets address: rain, wet snow, sleet. I live in the foothills of the Appalachians. In theory, drought has dominated the weather for the last 4 years. But every single time I hit the trail, it rains. Or snows. Or sleets. I took the cheap way out and found an used Patagonia gore anorak. It only weighs a couple of ozs and does double duty as the threshold for my tent.
This jacket is great for frigid days, mornings, nights, or all of the above. When it is ultra cold on the slopes, You can bet that I'll have this on under my ski coat. It will keep your upper body toasty warm while you're feet, hands and face feel like they will fall off and shatter. It is also great for backpacking, as it weighs almost nothing and is great for icy mornings. My only complaint is that is about like wearing rice paper: you have to be careful or it will rip. That is why it is so light weight though. And if it's under another jacket it doesn't matter anyways.
I am looking for a men's down jacket, No hood, water resistant. What would you recommend as the top choices. Which brand? Not necessarily the most expensive, but the best overall and a good value.
Also, to add to Angus's answer... the hood is removable on Mountain Hardwear's Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket, it is made with Conduit SL fabric, which is weather resistant, and it is baffled like a sleeping bag. It is one of the best values for its feature set on the market.
I'd go with the Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero or North Face Nuptse for a heavier, cold-weather jacket and the Patagonia Down Sweater or North Face Thunder for a lightweight sweater-type jacket. This jacket is really warm and so light you won't notice it's on, but zero percent waterproof. Definitely good to browse on your own, and ask the Gearheads on Live Chat if you want more help, they're great.
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