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The Marmot Men’s Troll Wall Jacket holds off burly mountain weather with waterproof breathable Gore-Tex Pro fabric to help you stay dry and comfortable. Underarm zips help you keep cool when you need to break trail in waist-deep snow, and an ERG hood adjustment system lets you seal out the wind even if you have a helmet on. Marmot sized this jacket to fit over your fleece or lightweight softshell, so it makes a great choice for the seriously cold days in the high alpine.
Im 6'6" and this jacket fits me great on the sleeves, nice length and with enough space to get several layers when going skiing, i got the Bonfire color, its great for using on a casual day and then use it for outdoor activities on the weekend But no liner, fleece or anything else inside. ill post more if i take it kayaking later on
Ultimately there is very little difference. I love Marmot, but they have inexplicable product overlap sometimes, and I am not sure why. The Torre is a stretch fabric, the Troll Wall is not, and that is the major difference. The Torre is 5 ounces heavier because of it. The cut of Marmot jackets is very free and you are not likely to feel constrained by them, so it would not be a big selling point to me, but the Torre is also $25ish bucks less, and that may make a difference to me, depending on my last paycheck...
The biggest difference is the styling. The outer fabric is the same, and the Troll seems to be rated at Guaranteed waterproof/breathable vs the 20K/25K of the Torre. The Troll has more pocket options, which is nice. This is sized for a fleece to be under it, so basically I would pick the Troll over the Torre for snowboarding. But the Torre isn't really far behind, so if you want to save the $25, have at it.
This jacket is Goretex Pro Shell, so it laughs in the face of wind and rain. This thing is bomb proof in howling summit winds. That said, the workmanship doesn't even compare to an Arcteryx Pro Shell, even the Chinese ones. The seams are exposed on this jacket instead of overlapped and hidden like Arcteryx does, though both have interior seam tape.
However, the cut of this jacket is why I gave this 3 starts. Given, I'm 6' 2" and 160 lbs, but this jacket makes me look like a turtle. Waaay too big in the body, even with a few layers on. Moreover, the arms on this jacket taper down extremely small, favoring the glove-over-jacket arrangement at the wrists. I prefer pulling my jacket over my gloves, but this jacket's sleeves will have none of it. The tapered arms combined with huge body make the cut even more unappealing.
Also, The zipper has a tendency to jam on the way up, especially in cold conditions. The large zipper flap only exacerbates this problem. Also, the large amount of fleece inside the zipper at chin level feels great above freezing, but collects condensation and then freezes rock hard when the mercury drops. Ouch.
In closing, if you are built like a 50 year old suburbanite with heart disease and wear thin gloves, buy this jacket. It's a great water and wind proof shell.
I'm 6'1" and 175lbs and this jacket fits great. Very light weight without a ton of overlapping material. The sleeves easily fit gloves inside or outside. The hood is large for a helmet but has a great adjustment design when you're just wearing a hat. The chest is not tight but not baggy. The pockets are perforated so the two small locations where the material is doubled up still efficiently breaths.
The panels are initially joined with a single stitch line but then fully taped and seam welded. I really like the large zipper and the snap at the bottom, my last jacket (high end) had the tendency to unzip from the bottom up, even when in a harness or wearing a pack. Waterproof zippers get really stiff in the cold and then don't work well. At first I couldn't understand why Marmot didn't follow the trend but it's pretty obvious now.
Against other jackets in this price range, the Troll Wall holds it's own. The only feature I'd like to see added is a media port in one of the pockets but that's pretty minor.
My understanding is that they're basically the same cut, except that the Troll Wall is a lighter (120 denier, if memory serves me correctly) nylon, when the Alpinist is a 240 denier I think.I got this from Marmot this past weekend because I called them with the exact same question. The guy I spoke to there was extremely knowledgeable -- give them a call. I have bought an Alpinist from S&C & was wondering about other possible options....
Not quite as slim or as light as Marmot's Exum jacket, but I'd prefer this as a cool-to-cold weather, all-mountain jacket, thanks to the slightly burlier fabric throughout, the slightly roomier fit, and the zip-out snow skirt. I'm 6'2"/170 and the medium is a good fit, with plenty of room for winter layers. It is a bit roomier than I'd like for a casual, mild-weather jacket though. I've had no problems with the zipper, which slides very well, thanks. The only issue I have with it is that the hood adjustment cords don't store better: the ends of them, when the hood is pulled down a bit, dangle all over the place. A very minor issue though for an otherwise excellent shell. Nice job on this one Marmot!
Great fit. I'm 6'3", 195 and the large fits perfect. The Gore-Tex Pro allows for wind protection, but breathability. This with a merino wool base was all I needed for Park City. Killer jacket with great functionality and the hood is helmet compatible. Orange looks great.
Bought this jacket on holiday in Park City - loved it but...the main zip is terrible. It jammed several times on the first day of use. I took it back and the replacement did the same thing. I eventually replaced it with a Patagonia.
The jacket has had great reviews and it is fantastic, it is just that the zip is SO bad that it brings the rest of the jacket down. I may have just been unlucky of course but I have other, less technical, Marmot products and the zips tend to be the same across the whole brand. Not good. Beware.
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