These are quite nice to climb with for their edging and stickiness.

My foot shape has a high arch, is not too wide or narrow, and my 2nd toe is a bit longer than my big toe. So, these shoes are not really well suited to the foot shape that I have, as they have a lot of saggy empty space in the arch and inside foot area, and the toes are scrunched up a little too much for my liking.

I've only climbed in these a few times, so hopefully they will mold a bit better to my feet with use. The materials and construction should allow that to happen.

BTW, the laces are really long so you will end up with lots of tail on the knots. There's enough lace to wrap around the entire mid-foot if you like which can help with the saggy arch, but it means that the laces are more prone to getting damaged.

Glove like fit and a super sensitive sole make this my favorite shoe for hard routes where precise footwork makes the difference between success or failure. Whether i'm dime smedging on granite or pasting on limestone the Joker kicks ass.

the only thing i can say is if you are looking for shoes that will get you up the rock then these are the best yet

I have been climbing in Mad Rock shoes for a few years now. The price you pay for the shoe gets you phenomenal performance on the rock. I am a big fan of the Flash Velcro, but this shoe takes it to the next level. If you are looking to climb high end sport routes, you will love the precision edging that you get with the Joker. When sized appropriately, this shoe could function as an all - around performer too. Just adjust the laces to the tightness you want for a perfect fit. On top of all this you get Mad Rock shoe rubber which is the stickiest on the market.