It doesn't look in the picuture, but they are a powerful down turned shoe. There is a lot of concave in the toe area similar to how sportiva solutions are.

Most of the shoe is leather, but don't be fooled, they are not going to stretch much, there fore foot is all rubber and the toe area is fully lined. They will stretch some side to side, but with 3 straps that shouldn't be in issue.

I don't like the heel as much as other mad rocks, it doesn't seem to be very deep, the back of the heel doesn't come very high up, which makes for a shallow pocket.

Now, they edge, toe like a freaking mad man. The rubber is pretty sticky too.

I wouldn't expect a downturn show to smear well, these are no exception, especially with the dual thickness bottom.

I have liked the fit of other mad rocks in the past, but the more rubber on the toe of their shoes have made the little toes mighty cramped. Which is a weird feeling, plenty of room for big toe, not for the other piggies. Would like to have sized down one, but just couldn't, traded comfort for a more powerful big toe.

Using mainly for playing around bouldering at gym.

Prefer evolv pontas for harder route climbing...more versatile with flat bottom and much more sensitive.

If Madrock could take the old "New Mugen" upper, and put their newest rubber, with a flat 4.5mm sole that could smear, they would have a winner.

These are the most comfortable aggressive shoes I've worn.

I wear a street size of 12.5 and a 43 in Sportiva Solutions(pretty tight fit). I ordered a 12 in these, and I will go down a half size when I replace them for more secure heel hooks. The 3d heel itself is great. It will stay on most everything, but when my heel's above my head, my foot can pull out a bit.

This shoe is very stiff. The toe has great power, without killing your big toe, but don't expect to "grab" holds with it. Edging is solid, but you have very little feel. The shoe smears better than I thought it would with the dual density sole, but smearing isn't really what this shoes about. Toe hooking is secure and fairly painless (as toe-hooking goes anyway).

Quality is solid. I'd say the rubber is at least as sticky as Sportivas.

Overall great shoe for a reasonable price