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My wife just got new downhill boots that are a 264mm sole length. The smallest her Marker Barons go is 265. Any suggestions on how to get the binding to work besides trying to get a larger boot?
I have some 305 BSL sized boots and realise that this is right at the end of the scale for the large barons. However, i want to be able to let my friends ride on these and they all have feet bigger than mine. Will my sizing be feasible for the Large Barons?
Ok, so I had the problem like most of you may have with deciding between the Duke or the Baron. First off, this decision rests on entirely the following: Your height/weight, and your skiing desires/abilities. I am 5'11", 170, and I ski very very aggresively in the backcountry and in bounds. I chose the Baron and here is why: I normally ski at a 10 DIN setting and crank it up to 12 on those yipee powder days. But I have never ever popped out at 11 setting or higher in all my most violent crashes. Then again, I am not hucking off cliffs or dropping 50 degree lines in Alaska at 90MPH ya dig?
So the bottom line is this... if you are 6'0" 185-200 and lower, but still ski aggressively then go for the lighter weight Baron. It will save your legs on those pow days and also save you on those long skinning tours with out compramising strength. However, if you are a bigger dude who skis aggresively (Bigger = 6'1" or 2"++ 220lbs++) then I would probably go for the Duke. The only scenario where you should choose the Duke over the Baron if you are a smaller skier, is if you COMPLETELY RIP and are in the "I shoot ski film" category... free style hucks off 40 footers, etc. But for the average dude of 5'8" - 6'0" 150-200lbs in the "I like to rip groomers at top speed and also rip the backcountry on occasion looking for deep pow, but Im not hucking off cliffs" category then the Baron is more than fine. Your legs will greatly appreciate the light weight and you will not need a DIN higher than 12. The bigger dudes/Rippers may need a 14 or 16 DIN with their heavier weight or cliff hucking.
In terms of reviewing the binding... Its rips. I ski 50/50 in bounds and backcountry. This binding is awesome. When locked in ski mode, I think it actually performs better than a fixed heal binding. Its super Durable. Its a tad heavier than some other manufacturers, but I like knowing that I have a stable binding that I trust. Ive read too many stories of AT bindings popping open or breaking in mid charge with not too good endings if ya knwo what I mean (e.g broken leg, torn ACL). With the design, its impossible for these to pop into Touring mode when in Ski mode. Again, I ride the Baron... its lighter weight than the Duke and perfect for my size/wight and aggresiveness.
I have logged many days this season with these bindings (Binding Size: S, Skis 175cm, 107/103/120, 305mm boot sole). The standard brakes work well with this waist, but anything more than 105mm go with the wider brakes. Given the low snowpack in SW BC this year they have seen a lot of BC days. I use alpine boots mostly and can keep up with my friends who mostly run AT boots and Fritschis. I run a DIN of 10. They are just like DH bindings when locked down: ie. no sloppiness like the diamirs tend to have. They raise the skier up higher as well, so I needed longer poles than i would normally use in-bounds, but that's just me, I'm picky about poles. The only downfall of the binding is changing the heel elevators when touring... Make sure you practice this before you're on the snow. It is somewhat tricky to switch from 5 to 10 degrees as the mechanism is somewhat hidden beneath the binding... I have it figured out now, but it does require a bit of a balancing act and you look kind of goofy if you are unprepared for the switch beforehand, especially on a steep skintrack! Other than this feature, I would have given 5 stars. The 30mm setback for climbing really works nicely and I have never slipped on steep skintracks (albeit I do have full width skin coverage and only weigh 150lb).
Somebody below wrote a review named 'junk'. The bindings are somewhat spring loaded and have to be pressed flat ( easily done) before switching modes, I would wager the bindings weren't set to ski mode properly.
I currently have Marker Griffons on my Line Motherships and i want to put Barons on them. Do the srews line up in the Same holes? would it be ok to mount them in the same holes if i used glue or would there be to much risk of the bindings tearing off the ski?
I'm pretty sure that the holes line up, but I have never compared them to try. Personally I would take it to a certified shop, just to be sure that they will not rip off.
I liked these bindings, but after 1 week I got new boots and when I went to adjust the toe elevator, the adjustment bolt/nut was frozen and stripped. There is no way to remove this part so I had to order new bindings. I went for the Dukes this time in hopes that they are better built. I understand using lightweight parts, but an aluminum bolt is ridiculous . I'm still battling with my dealer over the return of what I think is defective equipment.
Judging by Marker's description, I'd definitely fit into the Duke's category (6'4", 225 lbs). But although I'm a very aggressive skier, I typically run a 9 DIN on my (max 12 DIN) alpine bindings and have never had a problem. This would suggest the extra money and weight of the Dukes is unnecessary? Call me a skeptic, but bindings are the most invisible equipment a skier has.I'm looking for some AT-capable bindings for my Dynastar Legend Pro Riders to give me an all-mountain setup.
You pretty much could, yeah. The weight set is just for added safety, as most heavier skiers need to run a stronger DIN. But if that isn't your case, there should be no issues.
i have the 2007/08 volkl aura skis and want to know if the small marker baron ski binding will be compatible with by dalbello krypton storm ski boots size 23cm?
Most likely, but you can be sure by looking on the boot, molded into the plastic somewhere near the toe or heel area, for the sole length. If the boot says less than 320mm, the Small Baron will fit your boots.
like everyone else has said, these things are pretty great. i logged a couple days in all sorts of snow conditions with alpine boots with no complaints... but along with others, i've had issues when mounting AT boots (mine are scarpa denali tts).
issue 1: when the forward pressure is adjusted correctly (boot in and screw flush with housing) it's really difficult to click the boot in and out of the binding as the sole hits the top of the heel piece. this is a common problem and i had to back out the screw a click. now the screw top sticks out a little with boot in, but it seems pretty secure.
issue 2: the contact points on the heel piece of the binding are small and will leave serious marks on the heel of your boots. especially AT boots since most use a softer/lighter plastic. this isn't really a big deal, so don't worry if you start to see wear.
issue 3: when the toe height is adjusted using the paper resistance technique, all seems good, but because of the softer rubber sole, the toe can move up and down in the binding. i just cranked up the toe height until i no longer had any play, seems to work great...
summary: sweet with alpine boots, takes a little love for some AT boots. and here's a good thread if you're having issues:
I currently have Marker Griffons on my Line Motherships and i want to put Barons on them. Do the srews line up in the Same holes? and would it be ok to do this?
Re: Duke/Baron bindings, is there any side-to-side play when locked down compared to a standard alpine fixed binding? I'm going to mount these on a pair of Faty-Pus D-Senders that I plan to use for western powder skiing. I may or may not do some skinning with them but thought these would be a good option as long as I'm not giving up anything in locked down mode compared to a standard binding. Also, will the standard 110mm brake work with a 112mm waist ski?
no side to side play, they are just like alpine bindings when locked down. i have 103mm waist skis and there is just enough room for the standard brakes, go with the wider brakes on anything wider than about a 105 waist ski.
I recently replaced my old demo bindings with of the barons. The first thing i noticed was the weight, these are extremely lightwieght which really helps when bootpacking. Also I have noticed an increase in hardsnow/ice performance. My skis are 85 in the waist and with these bindings I don't even flinch on east coast ice. However, I have noticed that the plastic sections are starting to get scratched but, as long as you don't beat to bad on your gear they'll be fine. Bottom line if your looking for great AT bindings buy these, they won't disappoint.
Nope, the Baron and Duke aren't tele bindings, and you can't use NTN boots (or any kind of tele boots) in them.-----------------The only AT bindings the NTN boots will fit in are Dynafits.Tweak: The Crispi NTN boots work fine and next years Garmont boots are expected to work.
I am 185 and ski very aggressively and the Barons I have (on my 187 Liberty Helix) are rock solid. I don't need the DIN of the Dukes and appreciate the lighter weight and cost of the Barons.
I'm 6'3" 230 lbs dressed to ski. I've had these going fast on steep crud and in deep powder, downhill perfromance is as solid as any alpine binding. Going up in hike mode the bindings are on the heavy side (still lighter than the dukes) but for the downhill security a little extra weight is worth it. As far as the DIN only going to 12, don't worry about it. The marker chart setting for a 200+ lb expert skier is still only about 8-10 (albeit a little conservative). I crank mine to 10 or 12 depending on the day's conditions and haven't had any problems. Plus, be realistic, with a DIN setting above 12, most knees will release before the binding will.
I'm looking to get myself a pair of Volkl Mantra. I live in PA, and mostly ski on front side of the mountain with barely any powder, except when I'm in Vermont...though that's no match for skiing in the west. So basically, I'll be on groomed slopes 80% of the time, and out on powder 20% of the time. What are your thoughts on getting Marker Griffon or Baron for my use? I realize I may never use the AT option on the Baron...but I also read among the reviews that the plastic middle of the Baron stiffens the ski, hence enhancing edge grip...
Never count on a binding to stiffen a ski, and even so, the Mantra needs very little stiffening.If you are /never/ going to tour, get the Griffon, it's got less things to go wrong, and weighs less. All AT bindings will break before their equivalent Alpine only counterparts, it is the nature of having more components. Or you could go with a Baron, and pick up some skins...
Right now my boots are at my apartment in the mountains so I can't measure them to figure out if I need the small or large bindings. Was wondering if it's relatively standard to shoe size. I have Salomon (not sure which model) alpine boots in a 9US/27Japan.
If I am not mistaken the Salomon size 9 boots have a 295mm length. If I am right you can get away with the small binding. I recommend that you check your boots first though, just to be on the safe side.
I'm small. I ski a lot. These are the best bindings (in non-touring mode) that I have ever owned. Then I tried them IN touring mode. They changed over quickly and easily, worked AMAZING, and changed back just as easily. I don't get the people complaining about how you have to take off your ski to convert between alpine and touring modes. More than likely you have a skin that needs removal too, and to do that you take off your ski, so get over it. They are the most fantastic thing.
I am new to Back country skiing. I am 5' 100 lbs. I ski 80 resort days a year. I will only use these in the back country. Is this a good binding for me and can I mount it on my old alpine skis. (K2 one luvs or dynastar women specific powder skis or foils)
This binding is for the person with the one ski quiver i use it for mostly park, pipe, and freeride. If you want a binding for touring only go with the fritschi it is much lighter and you will appreciate that being a smaller person on a long tour.
I'm '6 tall and 185. I skee quite agressively and enjoy dropping cliffs. I'm not sponsored by any means but will huck up to forty or so feet. I'm wondering if the Marker Baron will be enough binding for me.
I did my homework and decided to get the Barons. Currently they are mounted on Salomon Foils (great skis). Hopefully next year I'll have some Armada JJ's to mount them on.
I'm thinking of replacing my old Rossignol FKS 155 with a pair of Barons. I haven't had the possibility to compare their mounting/screw patterns. Do I run the risk of getting the Baron's 'new' screws too close to the Ros's 'old' holes thus weakening the mount?
I wouldn't worry about it, you can remount up to three times with little to no concern. Especially with the barons which have one of the widest mounting footprints on the market, so the screws are more than likely going to be further apart, especially in the toe. You can also mount them further forward if you want to get flippy spinny, since they shift back 3cm when put in tour mode, or if you are going to be using them strictly as a touring ski you can mount them further back for better climbing ability. If you do decide to get barons, i would love to take the old bindings off your hands, for real.
the screw at the very back of the heel piece adjusts forward pressure. with a boot clicked in, the top of the screw should be flush with the inset rectangle around it. with the binding in front of you this should be easy to see.
I recenty bought a pair of these bindings and they broke on me the first day out. The bindings were in ski mode and the thin piece of metal that attaches to the pivot lever simply snapped on my right binding. The resulting fall banged me up pretty good. I will not be buying another pair. i'm just glad I was resort skiing and not in the back country someplace steep where a fall could have been more serious.
Excellent binding. I mounted them on Black Diamond Havocs and they have performed as advertised. However, when I want to walk with my skiis and place them together, the binding's brakes do not lock. Is there a way to solve this problem without using a strap?
I just mounted these up on my Volkl Kikus and I'm thrilled with them so far. They look and feel super-solid, and I feel completely secure in them at high speeds. As a lady skier, I definitely didn't need the burlier Dukes-- I'm not exactly a 200 pound dude who hucks 60-footers for breakfast. But I love getting out in the backcountry and it seems that these will fit my needs perfectly.
that depends on your boot size. if you boots length in mm (normally found on the heel) is between 265 and 320 then go with the small (it looks like all they have left is smalls, so you better hope you don't have a boot lager than a 28.5)
Alright, I am 6'0", 165-170lbs. I will be skiing groomers and backcountry on these bindings. I don't hit large cliffs on a regular basis. Will these work for me?
Dude these will be plenty good enough for your plans. You may even want to cut weight by going with the Black Diamond Fritschi Diamir Freeride Plus bindings if you'll be in the backcountry more often than the front side. They cost a bit more, but you'll lose a pound of weight. Check 'em out:http://www.backcountry.com/store/BLD0926/Black-Diamond-Fritschi-Diamir-Freeride-Plus-Binding.htmlSick bike pic by the way. You sure you won't be hucking?
Yes, but new holes will need to be drilled.> Actually, I checked and the answer is no. There is not enough space left from the predrilled inserts to drill new ones.
My daughter is an aggressive freeride and backcountry skier. she's 5'4" and 140. I'm thinking of pairing the barons with a volkl kiku. Is this a good match?
Yes. The binding is wide and is better designed for today's wider backcountry skis. I have my Baron's strapped to Atomic Sugar Daddies 183 and they perform better than a fixed heal binding. Go for it!
Hi, I have Nordica Olympia Conquer Women's Skis w/XBS Bindings (2008) and I just wanted to make sure I would be able to use the Marker Baron ski bindings with them instead of the bindings they came with.
no you cannot, the XBS is a binding system, that only works with the Nordice(Marker) binding it came with. you would need another "flat" ski without a binding system.
I am 6'1'' 175 lbs and a 8.5-9/10 skier. I enjoy skiing fast and aggressively. On my resort skis, I am currently at a 10 DIN but that is just for everyday cruising and small resort jumps. I will be setting these up on some fat skis for touring this year and plan on hitting some decent sized cliffs and backcountry booters. I will obviously be cranking my DIN up for these instances but am not sure to what point. Any advice on whether I will need the increased DIN of the dukes or will the Barons do the job?
You could go either way. if you are very hard on gear or plan on this being your main(or only) setup go Dukes. A din of 12 is pretty good, most ppl can get away with the barons but I like the security in having a bombproof setup that I am SURE will hold up.If you are going to be hucking 20+ footers, then go with the Dukes. Keep in mind they are a bit heavier and you will be penalized with that. I am 5'10" 170 and I ride the Barons... I charge pretty darn hard, but am not dropping anything bigger than a 10 and footer and I like to be able to keep the legs fresh for multiple laps. You would think the extra weight wont matter much, but it does after 4 to 6 hours of charging and skinning. It also depends on your boot set up... if you have lighter AT boots then go for the Dukes. If you have a heavier AT boot then I think you can get away with the Barons.
So I seem to be right on the borderline b/t the duke and the baron. I am 6'3" and weigh about 200-205lbs. I usually keep my DIN setting right at 12, anything less and I seem to pre-release in the bumps. I am just getting into the off-piste scene and plan to use the touring feature a least 3-5 times this year here in Colorado. Even when inbounds I have a hard-charging style and like to push my skis to the limit. DUKE OR BARON!? (obviously I am hoping the Baron works given the $$ but do not want to sacrifice safety). Thanks for your feedback!
That's a bit misleading, since the number of AT models with interchangeable alpine soles can be counted on the toes of one foot. The Jester is set for an ALPINE DIN toe and has NO adjustment - an AT boot toe is normally 7mm higher. If you are using any AT boot without interchangeable soles you will need the Duke or Baron.
What is the minimum ski width application for this binding? I have a pair of Volkl AC-4's for play days(maybe changing to the K2 extreme this year), but I use a Volkl S5 for working race courses, is this binding applicable?Also... At 200 lbs, aggressive skier, mostly resort, using the new Technica AT Boot, Duke or Baron????
If you are mostly resort why get an AT binding. Minumum ski width is 78 for these things. 200 lbs Id say get the duke. But since you are mostly resort save a hundred and get the barons
Im 5'6 and weigh 155. I split my time between the Wasatch backcountry and Snowbird. Should I get the Baron or the Duke? I have the K2 Coomba and the Black Diamond Havoc. Should I get the large or the small binding?
Depends what type of skier you are. The Duke is a beefy binding for larger skiers who need to DIN above 12. I would look at your current bindings to see where there at. Most skiers I know prefer the baron because they are lighter then the duke. Also Large vs. Small is going to depend on your shoe size and what boots your using. AT boots usually run a little smaller in their length then alpine boots. Your boot length is usually located on the side of your boots and it will be measured in mm.
I'm a heavier skier at 220lb. getting into backcountry back East. Been skiing for many years with a lot of backcountry hiking and using alpine bindings in resort and out. Should I go for the Duke or Baron for my situation? I doing about 50/50 on resort skiing and backcountry with hucking cliffs not a priority. Which binding do you think??
the main difference between the two is the din setting, baron goes up to twelve and is a lil lighter, while the duke goes up to 16. which din setting do you think you need?
My boot sole length is 316, which looks like it would fit in either the large or small version of the binding. Which one would be preferrable in that case? Would it make any difference?
Weight my man, weight. Why lug around the extra weight if you're set with the small. The ONLY consideration you may think about is the ability to re-sell the set up with the smaller binding size but if you're not planning on selling the set up later then go for the small!Powstash is correct, but there actually a lot of places sold out of the smalls first last year. Also, a smaller footprint has a theoretically stronger resistance to screw pull-out. It's unlikely that this will matter, but it will also let the ski flex more naturally.
If you punish your gear go for the duke. If you don't the baron should be fine. The duke has a few pieces that are magnesium as opposed to a plastic composite. It's not a matter of DIN it's a matter of durability.
What's the difference between these and the Dukes aside from being geared more towards a lighter skier. I weigh 145 and usually run about a din of 11, I drop a lot of cliffs and jump a lot. Would these bindings be ideal for someone in my position?
This is not true. This belief is a holdover from the 'old days' of binding technology. Modern bindings are tested throughout their range have have the same degree of accuracy and consistency wherever they are set - they must in order to achieve the DIN standard. The internal 'stops' on the adjustment range in a binding ensure that the springs have either sufficient tension in them (if set to the low end) or aren't over compressed (at the high end) to perform correctly. If the maximum DIN setting you ski at is 12, there is absolutely no reason to buy a binding with higher limits.To actually answer alex's question. The duke is more durable. If you charge really really hard the duke is beefier. The duke and the baron are constructed differently--so arguments can be made for buying the binding that DINs higher.
Hi, does this binding have a plastic middle so that it wont stiffen the ski underfoot (unlike for example the diamir freeride binding does, i heard it doesnt grip hardpack/ice well). Thanks
This binding definitely stiffens the ski. It also enables the gripping of hard pack. I think these binders are a little burlier than the fritschi (they also weight more).
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