The edges should come go to go from the factory how did your bacon session at Abasin go?

Bacon is stiffer and better all over the mountain. I prefer something in a 175 but I demoed these last year and loved how well they worked all over.

Elizabeth is a little softer so it depends on your style of ski.

I spend a lot of time in the backcountry and also in the park. These would be a great touring ski if you are looking for something to take your park skill onto less controled more intense terrain.

Hey nwskier if your under 160 lbs you can use the lizzies everywhere and you'll be fine but if youre bigger go for the stiffer bacon .. Also where you ski, your style , how much you rip..those will factor in on your desicion.

It will really come down to how you want to ride. Lizzies will rock the park, and handle okay over the mountain. bacon will handle pretty well all over the mountain, and hold its own in the park. Also check out the blend ski, 100mm underfoot, all mountain performance with the ability to throw down in the park.

An interesting question nwskier. Looking at both skis, I can't really discern between the two of them because both in essence may have what you are looking for. The Elizabeth loves the park and can more than hold it's own all-mountain. But, the Sir Francis Bacon is lighter, which will give you a lower swing weight, and will definitely handle the pow a little better with it's sidecut technology and early tapered tip and tail. This really is one of those cases where it would be best to try the Sir Francis Bacon before making a decision. If this is not a possibility, then go on your feeling about skiing partially rockered skis in the park. If you are all about it, then go for the Bacon. If not, then the traditional Elizabeth will do nicely.

Evan, i am no expert by any means and i love cruising these on groomers, or any conditions. You won't confuse them with race skis, but they hold an edge on groomers. Awesome platform for landing big jumps.

Evan, if i were skiing primarily groomers, and all mt. i would want a stiffer ski. Something like the line prophet 100 if you want to stick with line. There is a difference between soft and floppy. The moment bibby pro is soft, the sir francis bacon is floppy. It works well in soft, untracked snow, but it deflects really is easily in crud, and is pretty chattery and not very stable on firm snow when skiing with any sort of speed. If you are looking for a ski for the groomers and to use as an all mountain ski, there are better choices (k2 obsethed, 4frnt vct, line prophet 100, moment tahoe, etc.).

I don't know if alexander has ever ridden the SFB but they are not floppy at all and they are more of a medium flex not soft at all, That being said they do very well on groomers and are an excellent all mountain ski, I have ridden them in every condition possible from ice to waist deep powder and they can handle it all.

The SFB is floppy and soft, it's not good on groomers and is primarily focused on soft, deeper snow.

I disagree, the SFB is not floppy at all, I have spent the last two years sking them in EVERY condition and total ice is the only place they lack. But if you keep the edges sharp they are not bad at all on ice, They carve hard pack very well, you just have to get them on edge and drive them and they will just rail it.

The SFB is floppy, great for deep and soft snow, NOT good for eastern skiing Don't buy it if you're going to ski in the east on hardpack, it's not made for it. As for recommendations, what's your ability level? Do you ski mainly groomers? If you like to rip groomers really fast get a long ski with a skinny waist and some substantial sidecut to rail turns on harder snow. I live in Utah, so can't recommend specific models, but the SFB is the wrong direction to go...