It really depends on what you are planning to use the skis for...If you are going to use the skis for touring, get the Dukes because they are touring bindings. If you are not going to go touring get the Jesters. The specs on both bindings are almost the same, but the dukes are heavier because the of the touring stuff. But either way those are both great bindings. Hope that helps and have a blast on the Seths this winter.

If you look down on the comments someone replied about this before, Black Diamond STS. I go with the skin thats closest to the widest part of the ski, so that the whole base is covered and there will not be much slippage on steeps/firmer snow. So 140mm's.

im skiing on a 169 and im 5'5, so if i were you id go with the 179

go 179 if you seths

You are probably a 169cm ski person. That length will have decent enough float for you, and still be a manageable all-mountain deal. If you want the full powder ski, and want to be aggressive on your skis, you probably could get away with the 179 even, but the 169 really should be good enough. They are slightly longer than posted. As for Rossi vs. ObSETHed, I pick ObSETHed, since it rips hard in the big stuff, and is still easy enough to take anywhere. The S7 kills deeps, but lacks some all-mountain performance comparatively.

Really you guys? Seth has been awsome enough to come on this site, write a review and answer questions and your still asking about mounting. Take it from him (I mean the ski is named aafter him...) if he says you probably don't want to go further forward then +3, I wouldn't. Peace and thank Seth.

I guess you didn't read my review. Don't go any farther forward than +3. This tips will dive very hard in pow otherwise. This ski is much different than past models where I used to mount at +5.

Depends on what length you get, and how much you ski switch. I would say if you get 179s and don't ski switch don't go farther than +3. Even +2 gives you a short tip, Id go +1. yeah there is slight rocker but if your an aggressive skier the tips will be too short if you go over +2. If you get 189s and dont really ski switch mounting +3 would be fine as you would still have plenty of tip cause the skis are longer. If you ski switch a lot +3 is good, but +4,+5 would be money, core center if you really ski an stop switch.

+3 is a really decent mounting point, but personally, I love +2, which gives me lots of tip float, and just feels right for me. I have tried both, ski these super aggressive, and my vote is +2. If you have skied a +3 before and are used to that feeling, try it first.

width and rocker, obsethed has more of both.

The 179's would be a great all around ski option, for crushin' anything. But if you want pow, and can keep on top of the ski, as in aggressively, then boost up to the 189. Hope you get these though, because they are sick.

let me know if you feel they are too big, i have 09 179's and feel they are just at tad too short for me - 6'1" 200lbs i'd be willing to trade

I wouldn't switch. saty BIG. with the early rise it will dance like a shorter ski.

Probably to make it less "hinge like". Now we're starting to see more of a "mini-rocker" story being told by manufacturers, and not that this would fall under 'mini' because I think it's more powder oriented than an all-mountain despite what others might think, something like the Kung Fujas would be more versatile than this. In short, they're trying to make it more versatile which is usually the direct result of athlete feedback. If anyone thinks I'm lying or wants to call me out, go ahead, I don't even ski.

Yeah, Hammerheads would work great with these skis. They're my personal favorite for tele bindings, especially if you do mainly resort skiing.

I find that they hold up to abuse super well, except the topsheet, which chips like all sandwich construction skis do. They pound through some pretty gnarly conditions, and I use them as my all-mountain/big mountain do almost everything ski. The Shogun is good for powder mostly, and I don't personally like the feel of them when I push them too hard. That might just be me, but I would say that in every category, the ObSETHed wins, with exception to the weight, cause they are a bit on the heavy side.

If you want to mount traditional and just cruize with blats of speed here and there get the 179 but if you want to mount new skool @ true center for BC jib set up and switch charging and just generally aggressive skiing approaching lunacy grab the 189cm ... I ride the 189 and i can literally push it as hard as i want

Height is not always the most important determining factor in what length ski you should get. I would prolly say get teh 179s, but that is assuming you are of a normal body weight and normal build. Also how hard to you ski. I have a friend who is about your height(178cm) and he skiied obsetheds 2 years ago and used aroud a 180 ski length and loved his setup.

For skinning with twin tips, I'd recommend the Black Diamond STS series. I use the Nylon, but Mohair has better glide on softer, powder snow. Nylon works better on corn and wetter snow conditions (but truthfully, they both work great wherever). The STS attachment system is key for twintips though...

I got the 179s, which works well as an all-mountain ski, but if I could do it again, I would get the same ski in the 189s. They are actually longer than the size, but ski the length posted, so yeah, its a no brainer.

I have been deciding between the same two skis for a while now. I did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people who are "in the know". Bottom line, Go with the K2's. I've heard a lot of negatives about the Line Blend's top coating chipping off easily as well as the metal edge being very soft. The ObSETHed is supposed to have great durability and not to mention it has slight rocker in the tips. Rocker tech is the future for guys who do it all. As far as the park goes… If your gunna throw, your gunna throw. I don’t think either ski would stand out in the park over the other really. The line will feel a little firmer on the landings, but you'll be happy to have some rocker for the big powder days or if you decide to ride some extreme terrain.

This ski skis really well in all conditions. It does really well on groomers. Not as well as a carving ski would do, but for a ski this wide, it handles and carves on groomers really well. It depends on how quick you are edge to edge, and how well you ski bumps, but I enjoyed this ski in the bumps and found it quite competent. It's a really well rounded ski.

considering the rocker and the fact that you're still growing i would say go with the 179 cm

These skis are amazing for all mountain. They do everything well and ski power and crud like its their job, in-fact I'd say it is their job. I skied the 189 (196 by any other company) and found they handled everything from powder to groomers with ease.

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I'am 6'2 185 and aggressive and rock in my own world! Yes these skis are probly longer than listed. I had a pair of the 189's from 2-3 yrs ago and they actually measured 194 from tip to tail. But I think K2 does a measurement from where the ski contacts the the snow, but with the tip and tail rocker I'am not sure where they measure from but my guess is they are probly longer. I haven't measured any skis lately. The tip and tail rocker are gonna make this ski shorter than you might think, (my experience anyway) meaning good for the trees and quick manuevering. As far as the flex goes, I liked the flex from a couple years ago and wish I still had these skis.

Write your answer here..I'm 5-11, 170 lbs. I like my skis short and maneuverable for the trees. Coming from a pair of 174 Atomic Snoop Daddy's, the 179's looked pretty big in the shop. I bought them anyway and love them. They feel like the right size ski in the trees for me. If I were mostly skiing wide open terain, i think I'd be happy with the next size up. Very maneuverable and very fun to ski.

I own last years model at 189. I'm 5'10" ; 150, and I really enjoy the ski. I had no problem swinging it around on the steeps. The hardest part for me was getting used to riding in the moguls with such a fatty, but if you are used to fatter skis then you should be okay. Last years has a pretty mild flex. I heard a few folks complaining that it was to soft for them, but for me it was great.