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Black Diamond Outlaw with Avalung Pack - 1831-1939cu in
Black Diamond designed every inch of the Outlaw Avalung Pack with versatility in mind, so you only need one bag for all your backcountry ski trips. You can access any part of the interior thanks to both front- and back-panel zippers. This Black Diamond pack holds skis or a snowboard, so you can get to the goods no matter what you ride. Plus, the Outlaw Pack's Avalung system helps you breathe under the snow and gives your friends a better chance of finding you in time should you happen to get buried in an avalanche.
Wondering whether the Avalung can be removed from the Outlaw with Avalung. This will help me decide whether to buy Outlaw with Avalung, or to buy an Outlaw without Avalung, and buy an Avalung separately. Why? With the two separately, I could leave the avalung home and take the Outlaw when there's no avalanche danger, and bring the avalung along and leave the Outlaw when I am on overnight trips with a bigger pack.
Yeah, you can pull the Avalung out. It's easy. As far as using the Avalung in a different pack, it would be difficult to make it work, as only the Avalung comes out- there is no harness to use otherwise. I'm not saying it would be impossible to adapt the Avalung component for use in another pack, but it won't be easy. If I were you, I'd buy the Avalung II. That way, you'd have more versatility for resort days, backcountry day tours, and overnight hut/yurt trips.
The one part of this pack that really sells it for me is the front access. It has a zipper right where the pack rests on your back so all you have to do is take your shoulder straps off and spin it around on your waste and you can get to all your gear in the pack. It is great for photographers who are always having to take their pack on and off to access their camera. It also has the avalung which is a huge plus. I would recommend it for any avid backcountry traveler both snowboarders and skiers.
I have some pictures thrown up of skis on this pack (not good and not on the back, but they get the job done) posted up on the standard Outlaw page. Check them out!
This is one of the best backcountry packs I have used. Its a perfect size and the avalung is key. The packs features are simple and straight forward but it has everything you need.
It compresses quite a bit with the straps. Also, the pack really isn't huge or anything, it's only 30L, and it comes a lot from the length, not the height off your back.
Great bag. Fits a little small. I used the Black Diamond sizing guide and was of course, right in-between sizes. Went a with the smaller bag and its just a hair to small. Nothing annoying. Took this bag on a hike already and it works great. Very well thought out, easily adjustable. Can't wait to hit the pow with it!
I'm 5'4" and 125, and have owned a Black Diamond pack. I had the Covert in the S/M size and it was a bit long. It seemed like my head was hitting the pack a lot. I have since went with a shorter pack length. Every person is sized different though. If the S/M doesn't work out, you can always return it. They've got great customer service here.
This could be problematic because the S/M is (torso size) 16"-19" and she is probably something closer to 14". Unfortunately BD doesn't make a pack specifically for smaller females (ie. smaller torso size), but you can't know what size she is unless you measure her. I am 6'2" 175lbs. and i wear anything from 18"-20". It just depends... On that note, you could order the S/M and just return it if it doesn't fit and get a smaller pack and an Avalung sling!
I just bough this pack and tested it out in about a foot of Sierra Powder. The pack fits great thanks to the various strap adjustments and was very comfortable on my shoulders. This pack works great for a day at the resort, the avalung stays hidden and safe in your shoulder strap and the pack is not so bulky that you are falling off the lift (even with three jackets inside). In the backcountry is where this pack really shines though. When you are hiking the pack distributes the weight of the skis very nicely and can hold some pretty wide skis (121 at the binding). When skiing the pack does not hamper you at all even on some pretty steep descents.
Hello, I just bought a Outlaw Avalung pack, and wondering about the breathing in the avalungsystem. When I breath normally, the pack sounds both on inhale and exhale and that is a very high sound. Should it do that? If i breath very hard it doesnt sound, but i get dizzy of breathing so much.
I don't know if it was specifically designed to do that, but I would think it is a good thing to constantly be making noise when you're buried in snow and people are trying to figure out where you are.
I love this backpack. I am very impressed with all of the features. The hip belt pockets are awesome, the "back door" entrance is genius, the side sinch down straps make it very compact, the snowboard carrying system is perfect, the insulated hydration sleeve seems very nicely done- even though I haven't looked for a bladder to fit the pouch (from other reviews I heard it was a little difficult to find one that fits best). The compartment for avy tools is very easily accessible and fits a BD deploy 7 shovel and any probe perfectly. and the avalung adds a little extra peace of mind and is a perfect addition to a complete set of avalanche safety gear and backcountry knowledge. Having said that, the only thing that I don't like about this pack is the location of the air valve. located on the left shoulder strap, this one way air valve is cleverly designed to pull oxygen in through the breathable fabric and close when co2 is pushed through directing it out the bottom of the pack. My issue with it is that this approximately two inch long box is placed directly on top of the crest of the shoulder! This inhibits the strap from contouring to the shoulder as the crest is a box. When I first put the pack on I felt this blemish immediately as I had just ridden the train accross the country and had soar shoulders. When I wore the pack on the mountain for the first time it wasn't as noticable because the hip and chest strap system is so supportive it takes the pressure off the shoulders. This pack definately straps on to your back more than it hangs from your shoulders which I love. I think that putting the box behind the head in the body of the pack would be a better place. Or further down the shoulder strap, substituting the length of the tube with the mouthpiece on it, which when fully extended hangs halfway down my thigh. I don't understand how, when testing it, someone at BD could put this pack on and think that this is the best place for this box. I even considered widening the hole that is the tube enterance into the shoulder strap a tiny bit so it would be big enough to move the valve box through it and stash it behind my head in the pack. This would comprimise the avalung system which is designed for you to be able to do all of your breathing through this hose in your mouth, even though I think there would still be enough air back there. I still haven't loaded the pack for a full day in the backcountry, only wore it in bounds on some powder days to get used to it and some small side country runs. I'm sure that the more weight I put in it, the more I'll feel the box. So far it's not bad and for me this is not a deal buster because the pros far outweigh this con.
I'm a 65-year-old backcountry skier and every onze of weight is an issue. The Backcountry Magazine featured this pack in their Nov.08 issue and quotes the weight as 2LB 12OZ. This ad says it's 3LB 10oz. What's the truth??? They are both 32 liters big.Thanks for some clarification, Ingrid
The pack you saw reviewed that only weighed 2 lb 12 oz was the Outlaw pack without the AvaLung. That's where the extra weight (and $100 in price) comes from. If you need the added safety of the AvaLung it should be worth the extra weight and cost.
Wow this is the best day pack ever! I had a Covert Avalung last year and thought it was perfect, but man was I wrong. This holds everything you need for a day tour (shovel/probe, skins on the way down, an extra layer/gloves, goggles, some munchies, H20 bladder) and still cinches down super tight when you need to use it for lift accessed. The BD Deploy 7 shovel fits in the front pocket like they were designed with each other in mind (maybe?), and the Avalung really doesn't bother you as long as you have a couple layers on, though if you are wearing it over a single base layer or something I could see it being annoying. I'm 6'1, pretty skinny, and the M/L fits just right. Plenty of room for adjustment from my size either way. It also has a rigid wire internal frame to keep it from getting weird bulges. The only thing I have found off is that it won't fit a full 100oz Camelbak on the hanger, but with a bit of that gone it will slide in and hang on. All in all it is a phenomenal product.
This is a good one. Used it many times this winter. Functional, not too big, not too small. Hip-belt pockets are great for cameras, inhalers, etc. Has room for extra layers, big lunch, skins, goggle box, firstaid, leatherman... and all your usual avy gear. Only down side is the pouch for the water bladder is a little small.
I bought this pack but haven't found a hydration bladder that fits in the pouch in the pack, it is pretty small. Has anyone found the correct size for it? Thanks
I bought this pack for the Avalung and because I'm a gear nerd. I bought it without much consideration for any other feature. Fortunately, Black Diamond did take the time to think this pack through thoroughly so that I didn't have to. You're probably already familiar with the Avalung- you screw up big time and get buried, you get to breath clean oxygen and hang out while your buddies dig out your lame ass. I always ride with a pack in the back country so it seemed appropriate to purchase a pack with the Avalung built in. One of my favorite features of this pack is that your avalanche gear stores in a separate compartment from everything else. Open one zipper and you have instant, organized access to your shovel, probe, saw, and whatever else you hauled up the hill to get ya out of trouble. I can see this as being a real time saver in an emergency. The main compartment has plenty of room to haul a day's worth of gear and can be accessed from from the back panel as well which is nice if you have things strapped to the back that you don't want to disrupt. My only gripe with this pack is that the only option for carrying your board is vertical. There are times when the horizontal carry method works much better, like when you're on a snowmobile. It's a minor complaint though and overall the pack is very comfortable and well thought out.
Does this pack have enough room to fit regular gear (shovel, probe, jacket, water bottle) plus a helmet? Or should I get something larger like the anarchist?
This pack should fit everything you mentioned just fine, especially if you hook the helmet on the outside. On the other hand, the anarchist cinches down nicely when you have less gear and also has that extra space when you need more stuff. The helmet in this case would fit just fine inside. The anarchist also rides really well on the back no matter how much gear you have styuffed inside.
The size is definitely big enought to fit all that gear. Might be a little tough to squeeze the helmet in but it should make it. Can always hook it onto the outside if its a big issue.
Rode all last weekend with it, lifts on Saturday and a day hike Sunday. This pack is super ergo and hugs your body really well when riding. BD put their time in on this one. I'm a snowboarder so the back access is really nice when hiking. Strap Adjustments are easy to use and having the Avalung on it gives a little piece of mind. Hopefully, I never need to use it. Camelback bladders slide into the hydration port easily and the right side shoulder strap has a zippered pouch that keeps your hydration tube insulated and out of sight.
did a few day tours with it and it worked awesome, for sure nothing I would take on a multi day tour but perfect for a dawn to dusk type trip. My camel back fit in the bladder pouch fine and had good access to my avy gear and skins.I didnt use the zipper on the back side of the pack but seems like it could come in handy if I pack my board. Overall was stoked on it as a day pack
Where can I find instruction on how to load skis or a snowboard into this (I have both). I'm not sure I'm doing it right. Also what's the extra strap for?
I bought the Covert 32L and love the backpack but have found the strap with the air intake to be very uncombortable on my shoulder, digs in quite a bit. Has anyone else had this problem? Will it just break in eventually or should I try to exchange it?
The tech specs says no ice axe loop, but the picture does have a loop. Is there any reason this couldn't be used for an ice axe? Would this be a reason to go with the covert if you think you may ever want to take the pack climbing?
i finally got to use mine the other day and i really like how well it cinches down to your back so it is easy to ski with, the avalung is also very convenient, i might even have it out if i thought i could fall in a tree well or need a snorkel because the snow is too deep.
They are mostly the same. One has shovel pocket, ice ax loops, other does not. Covert has a smaller size available also. Look at tech specs on both pages and decide.The Outlaw excels at carrying just about anything (snowboard, snowshoes, skis). The Covert is great for skis but only ok for other stuff. Also, The Outlaw has a big zippered access on the backpanel for getting to stuff without taking your board off the front.
This is a good pack. Plenty of room for shovel, spare clothing and the avalung is essential. Carried skies quite well when hiking. One shortfall is the size of the bladder pouch- its too small (short) for a 3ltr camelbak. I have another smaller pack that accommodates this quite easily. The insulated sleeve for the camelbak tube is also a good feature.
I recently ordered an Osprey Switch 26 from BC.com to find out the pack length was just a tad too small. The hip belt didn't reach my hips properly by about two inches. Which size of the BD Outlaw would be the best proper fit?
It's more important to choose the right size pack using the torso length measurement. To find your torso length, measure your back along the spine from the the top point of your hipbones to the knobby bone at the base of your neck. This will give you a measurement in inches that will determine the correct pack size. I would use the aforementioned procedure & find your correct size.
I haven't got to use this bag yet because the snow hasn't came yet, but I have worn it around the house alot and I love it. I can't wait to get out there and use it. Enough pockets to carry everything you need in this bag. Some people think that the ava lung isn't needed, but when your snowboarding in places like Utah where avalanches can be an everday occurence, any extra devise that can help save my life makes me feel a little more confident when riding.
anyone know if the blue scuba tube thing is removable when i'm not in avalanch teritory? I like the pack but don't want that thing sticking out all the time.
The tube tucks away inside the shoulder strap zipper pocket when not in use. You don't notice it when zipped up. It is a sweet pack, I just got one.my edit: on the Covert model the removal of the tube was possible and this backpack seems very simillar.
I used it to carry a board last weekend, it was decent, though my right leg was brushing against the board with every step. It wasn't terribly annoying, but it was weird that it was only one leg. The board didn't constantly bonk my head, like with my last pack.
I haven't tried to carry a snowboard but the function looks good. There is some reinforcing material under the flaps to protect the pack from snowboard base edges.
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