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The Stoic Series takes everything we’ve learned about fit and function and distills it into garment form. The 2.0 Shell is a backcountry purist’s dream: light, quiet, and cut to fit an athletic frame, it carries zero unnecessary features and provides unrestricted range-of-motion for the most demanding users. Our proprietary 3-ply Bombshell 2.0 stretch fabric brings impressive 20K/15K-rated waterproof breathability, while 3D-engineered, welded-seam construction enhances seam strength and shaves critical grams from your pack. Two laser-cut hand pockets and a single Napoleon chest pocket stash critical gear behind watertight YKK zips, and the contoured, helmet-compatible hood locks out the most driven of storms. Dual-zip armpit vents are easily accessible even under backpack straps, and a bamboo-carbon tricot lining fights odors naturally. In your normal size, the Stoic 2.0 is a trim, weatherproof shell for fast, three-season alpine assaults. Go one size up, and it becomes a precision suit of armor atop your Siphon Wool or Primaloft Hooded Jacket.
Bottom Line: Unwavering in the face of Mother Nature.
I'm 5'6 140lb, small or medium? Is this as breathable as the Shift or moreso. Also is it somewhat warm. I plan on using this for running in the fall/winter in the Wash DC area.
JSung, I have a couple of suggestions for you on a jacket to wear when running in the winter. I've been using the MHW Transition Zip Pull-over. I've also used the BC Rime Zip Pullover. Both use Polartec Power Shield material which I find to be very windproof. I layer a light or medium baselayer depending on how cold it is. I'm running in Denver.
Personally, I think that this is way too much jacket for running. It isn't insulated, but it doesn't breathe well, either. I'd look for something that weighs less, is more flexible (this jacket is a soft hard shell, not a soft shell), breathes better, and has more reflective bits on it. Unfortunately, (although I love this jacket) I haven't managed to find a jacket in that category to recommend, and can only say that the North Face Flight Series isn't what you want either (on the other end of the spectrum--it isn't good for anything other than being soft and a bright color with long sleeves). Good luck on your search.
If your looking for something that you can layer underneath I would go with the medium I'm 5'10 and 150lbs and I have the medium but I can only fit a long sleeve shirt underneath comfortably. If your looking for just a rainproof shell with out the ability to layer I would go with the small. Hope that helps
When you can have this jacket for a fraction of the price? Excellent piece of kit. It's pretty much the same as an Arc'Teryx Alpha SV, but it's not $600 retail. What's not to like?
OK, my only criticism is that the collar of the jacket is a bit rough on the underside of my chin, be it zipped up or not. Somehow it manages to poke me uncomfortably, but it's a small thing, though.
I am 6'3" and 205 lbs, and the XL fits me like a glove. There's a decent amount of room for some layers underneath, but I could not get a down jacket in there.
This jacket is awesome!! I own a Arcteryx Beta AR, and this jacket is just as good if not better for half the price. This proprietary fabric is legit. Backcountry.com is awesome and so is their customer service. I was having trouble tracking my order through UPS' website, so I sent them an e-mail and they kept me up to date on the progress of its delivery.
It's good to see that a company is interested in more than just taking your money, and I will never shop anywhere else, between their products and their prices on other brands there is no need to.
I am pretty sure that they are about to bring in their stuff for this season, that may be redesigned or in different colors. You can try asking the guys on live chat but last I checked they had not been given a date of when that would be.
(5'7", 140 lbs, small/medium build, Size S jacket/fleece) I got my Stoic shell and the next day it started raining, perfect timing. It was fun to watch light rain literally bounce off the shell fabric, I didn't even feel damp after an hour of light drizzle. I got to test the flexability of the jacket and the material on a gnarly cliff approach and a morning of climbing in drizzly conditions, everything worked well and even though I got the slim-fitting small, there was the prefect amount of stretch and fabric to go for the big reach moves without the jacket riding over my waist. The afternoon of the climb turned into flash flood conditions: 40 miles per hour winds, rain going sideways, hydroplaning vans, useless windshield wipers. I ducked out of the car with the Stoic already on and watched as everyone else ran for cover. I strolled across campus totally dry while everyone else hid indoors. Twenty minutes later my core was still dry with a little bit of soak through around the cuffs and the hood brim where there is some elastic fabric. The pockets and vents are well placed and the zippers slide like magic. Layered over a backcountry midlayer it is snug and going up a size may be a good idea, but not necessary if you are okay with a close fit. This shell is going to replace my ski shell and even without the powder belt it should work great.
Is backcountry planning on getting more of these in stock at some point soon? I'm assuming the colors and pricing would change if so, or is the 2.0 being replaced by a new jacket? I've currently got a Koven in a medium, but I really to get something in a large for layering. How does the fit between these two jackets compare?
Am 6'5", 195lbs and ordered the XL and it fits perfect, with some room for some base layers underneath. A MUCH different (read: Better, slimmer, more athletic) fit then my Backcountry Primaloft Siphon jacket of the same size. I typically have torso/sleeve length issues with my jackets, but these are ideal length.
I love the angled cut on the sleeves, ingenious! Fabric is tough and durable, I ordered this during the summer, so I don't know how it will stand up to riding in the trees, but I would have to guess that it will hold up fine.
Only down side is no snow skirt or wrist gaiters, but I knew that going in, so I can't be too bummed.
The Zipper is a little sticky (as others have commented on) but I assume it is a result of it being water tight. It's not something I lose sleep on at night though.
Yeah...I beg to differ. See my comments elsewhere, but in a nutshell, fabric that allows water to move from a bead to a coat doesn't necessarily allow that water through the fabric. This jacket is waterproof.
I've got the shift welder hoody and wanted to know how the Stoic compares? It looks like the Stoic may be more waterproof (20k rating vs. "highly water resistant"), but what about breatability? Can anybody offer a solid comparison of the two?
I have both and the shift has a lot more stretch in it because of the powershield, so by comparison the stoic will seem pretty stiff. The stoic is much more waterproof but that is to be expected because it is a hardshell. If you have any more specific questions about the 2 just let me know.
the welder material is the Polartec Powershield. this has great breathability. we actually measure the breathability with Air permeability - you can feel a little wind able to blow through the softshell to help in venting. The powershield will not hold up to constant rain, or warmer winter conditions of snow that melts on you.
the Stoic Bombshell material is water proof. because it has a waterproof lamination, you lose some of the breathability. still great breathability that rivals goretex, and membrain, but can not compare to the awesome breathability of powershield
I bought this in the summer and took it with me climbing 14er's. It is an excellent hard shell. I'm 6'3" and 185#. So far the BC.com brand stuff has all fit me perfectly. I have a size large torso and about a 6'5" wingspan (read long monkey arms). I went XL on this shell so it would fit over my shift composite softshell or a down sweater or vest or whatever I want for skiing and snowshoeing, this winter. I can not congradulate BC.com more on great fitting products. The quality rivals the fit, yeah the zipper is a little tricky at first, but mine is loosening up nice as it breaks in. The cut of the cuffs is awesome, keeps the backs of my hands covered and my fingers/ palms free! The hood is huge, I don't wear a helmet under, but it would surely fit. There are drawstrings to cinch it up and make it useable without a helmet too. It fits, follow the size chart, size up 1 if you want to layer underneath like I do,
I opted for the bombshell Stoic 2.0 over the eVent fabric of the original Stoic because it feels so much stronger, so far after brushing against branches and rocks I have zero signs of wear showing.
I have been rained on, hailed on, snowed on, and hid from gale force wind underneath this jacket and come out smiling every time. It is 100% waterproof, I wore it fishing in rain and hail for an entire afternoon and stayed dry. When hiking in it, my back eventually gets soaked between it and my pack, but it is from me sweating, not the jacket leaking. From what I can tell, the only way to avoid this is with a softshell or a much less rugged material like eVent.
Without a doubt, this is a HARD shell, and it is waterproof, not water resistant. It was raining over 0.5"/hour this morning, and although my pants were soaked after a 10-minute dog-walk, the Stoic 2.0 kept me dry from my head to my waist for the subsequent walk to work, walk for coffee, walk to meeting across town...and the exterior even dried quickly enough that it was comfortable to put back on after only a short period on the hangar.Amazingly for a jacket this waterproof, I hiked two laps of summer skiing this weekend wearing this jacket. It was about 47 degrees and raining lightly, but with the pit zips open, I was comfortable hiking with all my ski gear on my back, even straight up scree slopes and sun-cupped August snow fields.I do have two small complaints so far. The pit zips are too short, and stop just below my armpits. Another three inches of venting would come in handy if I needed to dump heat, as I doubtless will when hiking this winter with more than just a base layer under the jacket. The other problem is that the zipper is sticking a bit at the bottom. It seems to have loosened up a bit over the first week of use, but it could be pain to deal with this winter if I have to take my gloves off to zip up my coat.
Update: The hood on this thing is giant! In the attached photo, I'm wearing a baseball cap under the hood, and there was about a half-inch of hood extending past the brim of the hat. A deep hood like this is a great feature when it's dumping rain or snow, and the hood may even be large enough to make putting it over my helmet practical when skiing (usually I feel really constricted when wearing a hood over a helmet).
This is one small, tight, tapered jacket. Me - 5 feet 9 inches, 33 waist, 180-185 lbs. average build, not really skinny nor fat, just average. I ordered the medium because I am a medium in everything, and I heeded BCs advice "In your normal size, the Stoic 2.0 is a trim, weatherproof shell for fast, three-season alpine assaults."when I put on the jacket the waist was so tight that it was a struggle to engage the zipper. Around the waist and stomach area it is VERY tight at tapered, no room anywhere "nothing gets between me and my stoic" type of fit. it is the perfect length however, a few inches below the waist.going up it kinda fans out, not tight across the shoulders or chest at all, fits like an upside down triangle. Sleeves are roomy but not flapping around, and are great length, not long or short.I have to send it back but my regular size was just too small, I couldnt really move or bend and could not fit even a thermal under it really...its just to small to be shell, but im really bummed I have to send it back because it felt sturdier and more high quality than any jacket I have owned before (gore tex included)
i'm a similar size, 5'9" 170lbs and 32 in. waist .... more basketball build than athletic ... i'm debating between the medium and large size .... i want to be able to use it as a backpacking rain jacket as well as layer for winter use....
Write your question here...Would this work in combination with the backcountry softshell down to single digit temps or would something else be more appropriate? activites..skiing hiking etc
You should be fine while moving, temperature comfort varies greatly person to person. My opinion is that you would be fine with a soft shell underneath provided that you had a solid base layer on under that. You may get chilly while resting but while moving you should be toasty. remember though it is a shell, not an insulating peice
I just got back from a 6 day kayaking trip in the Broken Islands on Vancouver Island. I took this jacket with me as my rain protection. On the last day we had thunder, wind, and torential down pour. All while paddling a kayak in windy waters. The jacket kept me dry and protected for the 2hr paddle that day, mostly in HEAVY rain.
Very pleased! With the jacket. Looks good, and performs better!
One note to buyers is to seriously think about getting a size larger than you would think. The jacket is slim, I normally fit medium-large jackets (6"0' 190lbs atheletic build). I took my measurments and ordered the medium but when I got it the waist was Waaaaaaay too tight and my chest and back where too big for it. When they say slim cut they must mean its cut for a skinny guy and not a guy with muscle on his frame. Sent it back and got the large instead.
Has anyone purchased a large or extra-large jacket? I'm curious as to its length since its one of my highest criteria. If someone that bought either of those could measure out the front and back, it would be greatly appreciated!
I'm 6'-4", 230lbs. (think ex-college QB body type complete with 30-something paunch) and I just got the XL. It fits perfect. It actually makes me look taller and slimmer. There is room underneath for a light or medium fleece.
It comes down to a couple inches below the beltline on me, but most of my height in is my legs, so there's that.
I really love this shell. I'm a thinner guy, so the super-athletic/tailored fit is nice. It is, as one reviewer put it, an "upside down triangle". So it works great for broad shouldered, narrow waisted guys like me. Moving on from the fit (Cyrus Baumgarten analyzed it well), the complete bombproof-ness of the jacket is great. It holds up in heavy rains, and the pit zips provide lots of ventilation where you need it to keep you from getting wet inside out. All in all, this is an excellent buy. Period.
Does anyone have pictures of the summit sky version? I would like to see if it's true to color, and more importantly, the right color for me. I like the carbon, but a friend has it and I am trying to venture outside of my comfort zone, but not too far, hence the request for pictures. any help would be great.
I'm a Stoic 1.0 Event lover but I could not resist from picking up the 2.0 also. Here are the differences. The first thing I noticed was the obvious weight difference. The 2.0 feels much thicker and more cumbersome. As far as a winter shell goes, the 2.0 is not insanely heavy, I'm speaking more in terms of an Event user. The 2.0 reminds me more of a Shift Welder material with a tad more plastic feel. I feel the 2.0 would hold up better to longer trips, rocks, sharp tree branches, and other more burly opponents. The pit zips are needed and welcomed. Overall, decide if you want a super special light weight breathable 1.0 or a high-end (but relatively average) 2.0 that may be more durable. I'll be keeping them both.
I see people wearing this on the slopes but what kind of conditions is this mostly used for? (ie is it too hot for summer downpours or is it better for the other three seasons?)
I agree with wan2787354. I think that it works wonderfully as a shell for 4-seasons use. It is completely waterproof for use as a rain jacket, and if one wears insulating layers underneath it works during colder pursuits as well.
That said, it is still a jacket. You will be a bit warm if you are really pushing yourself during an 85 degree summer rain.
It's a shell jacket, there is no insulation or anything. I bought it to use as a rain jacket for summer/spring/fall just around town and backpacking. Works like a charm!
I have the BC Siphon primaloft in an XL and I got this in an XL. It just barely covers the bottom of the Siphon. After moving around a while the Siphon tends to show about half an inch out the bottom. It is a little tight in the back when moving but I have broad shoulders. Design is great, I got the carbon color and the red zippers really pop, looks sharp. Can't imagine this thing snagging or tearing, it is strong. Sleeves are cut at a different angle, you can tell from the picture. Took me awhile to get used to it but I am a fan of them. If between sizes or planning to wear heavy layers size up.
I am getting a little confused on the sizing so I'd like some advice from people who already bought one and are similar to my size. I am 5'9", 160 pounds, 41-42 inch chest and about a 31 inch waist. I would like be able to wear a base layer and on cold days a midlayer (was thinking of the BC Prime Powerstretch zip shirt or BC Siphon Primaloft jacket. Also, would this be too heavy and hot for Rocky Mountain range hiking. I am planning to do several trips that will last 2-4 nights and range from 9,000-14,000 feet. I have an REI eVent jacket (shuskan jacket) I could use but I don't want to beat it up scrambling over rocks and ducking through trees.
I'm almost EXACTLY your size, at 5'10" and 165#, 40 inch chest and 32in waist. Here's my advice: if you want to wear an insulated-fill piece underneath, get the Large (I wear a size M Siphon Primaloft under my size L 2.0, fits perfectly). If you want to wear baselayer and maybe a thin fleece midlayer, get the Medium. Not sure if you're asking about weight or temperature in your second question, but I would say the 2.0 is a great choice for hiking the Rockies, period.
While I am not similiar to your size, I believe that going with what the last two sentences' recommendation is the way to go. Since you are looking to use a midlayer, I would go one size up from your usual. I have a 46" chest, and I went with the XXL so I could use my Siphon Wool as a midlayer.
The Bombshell compares to Gore-Tex Pro, so it will not breathe as much as your present eVent jacket. But, as you were thinking, it will also stand up to more abuse.
It's like a softshell with zero insulation and no liner. That 'bombshell' fabric they use is 3 layers in construction. Seems to breathe well.
It seems that the fit causes a bunch of problems for people. I'm about 5'8" and 150lbs, pretty plain build and the thing fits quite well. It's snug around the waist (you can tell if I had a big lunch or not) and roomier in the chest, through the shoulders and down the arms. I love the way the cuff is cut: it leaves the palm-side free, but covers the top of your hand. I guess they took a design cue from cycling jackets, because it works well for just that.
Overall, a 'pretty cool' jacket... with one niggling issue. The welded seams on the inside aren't perfectly smooth and you can feel them if you're wearing just a light base layer or a t-shirt underneath. And... the dwr doesn't seem to last too long.
This shell isn't just great for the price - it's great, period, and would still be my choice even if it were priced the same as competing shells from Arc Teryx or Patagonia.
Materials: The Bombshell fabric is solid, quiet, supple (compared to Gore-tex Pro Shell), has just enough stretch and has a soft inside lining, and the whole of the inside of the collar has a soft fleece like lining, all of which together make this one of the most comfortable tech shells I've worn. I find a lot of other tech shells have a stiff/boardy feel and a tacky touch on the inside next to the skin if worn with a short sleeve shirt, as a result of which I tend to wear them only when I really need them and take them off the moment I don't in favor of a softshell. This shell, however, feels great on - it's soft next to skin, supple and quiet, and I find myself throwing it and leaving it on even when I could be wearing a softshell.
Features/Design: The angled cuffs are awesome - every shell should have these. Pockets, inside and out, are exactly the right size and placement for me, but I could see how for a lot of people the hand pockets might be too low for use with a pack. The welded seems and watertight zippers are trick and minimize bulk, although the main zipper doesn't engage quite as smoothly as on some other jackets.
Fit: Perfect for wearing with or without layers if you have a lean to mid athletic frame, but too snug to really layer without sizing up if you have a stocky or large athletic frame (if you don't have an athletic frame - look elsewhere). I'm 6'0, 175lbs, have a 31in waist and I'm thicker than average in the arms, shoulders, back and chest (I lift weights regularly, but I'm by no means a muscle bound gym rat), and the large fits me perfectly with lightweight layering. With midweight fleece, it still fits fine and is perfectly comfortable, but is a smidgen snug at the shoulders (which is more visible than it is noticeable in use because of the jacket's stretch). Heavyweight layering is doable, but noticeably and less than ideally snug at the shoulders and armholes.
Weight: With the caveats that I'm not an ultralight backpacker and don't plan on trail running in this jacket, the Stoic is plenty light for me. Yeah, there are some competing jackets that weigh 4-8oz less, but most of them are missing at least 1 or two features of the Stoic (e.g, 4 pockets, 360 degree fuzzy collar liner, soft bamboo carbon lining, tough exterior fabric) that, for me at least, more than make up for those few extra ounces. And to get up on a soapbox for a second, anyone who thinks that they can tell the difference between a 16oz jacket and 22oz jacket once they're loaded up with 40+ pounds of other clothing, gear and a pack is kidding themselves.
I will answer my own question as it may help others thinking about a purchase...
My old rain jacket, a fifty dollar Columbia variety, packed up to the size of a Chunky Soup can (it is a size XXL). The Stoic 2.0 packs up to the size of a family-size can of SpaghettiOs (also size XXL), and when rolled-up fits nicely in its hood. Sorry about the canned food references, but that was the first thing that I thought of when trying to explain the relative sizes.
I just recently received my Stoic 2.0, so I have not had a chance to put it to the test in the field. However, my first impression is that this jacket is much, much better than my previous shell. I am actually glad that purchased this jacket versus some of the other brands of shells that I was looking at that cost more than double. The Bombshell fabric is no joke, and I am looking forward to wearing this up against Nature's worst!
Good Stuff: 1) Fit - Medium is great for me- I'm 5'10", short torso, 155 lbs. It is tight at the waist, roomy in the body and has sufficiently long arms 2) Hood - Big, fits helmet, 3 way adjustable 3) Material feels very durable and comfortable, and fleece collar lining is great
Bad Stuff 1) The DWR is terrible (see below). 2) The main zipper doesn't engage well. I can't imagine how it would be with gloves. Use a Riri Aquazip next time, I don't care if it is heavier. 3) Higher pockets on the sides would be good, I can't access them when I'm wearing a pack
DWR: I read some previous reviews complaining about the DWR but still figured I'd give it a try. The DWR doesn't work. I was on a bike ride in the rain and the jacket started soaking through after about 15 minutes of riding. I let it dry off overnight and then decided to test it the next day in a rain storm for a half hour. Unfortunately, it soaked through in certain spots, especially at the welded seams. I've included some pictures.
The jacket is fantastic minus the fact it does not perform it's primary function- being waterproof. If this issue can be fixed, then it would get 4 stars. 5 if the zipper gets better.
My jacket worked great in the rain. I couldnt find my umbrella leaving for work one day and live in NYC where I walk to work. I grabbed my stoic walking out the door - came into work after a 20 minute was in the rain and my suit jacket was completely dry (pants, not so much).
huh. That's not my experience at all--except your gripe about the zipper. This one sticks and is the worst feature of the jacket. Actually the zipper is the only bad feature.
Having lived in an extremely wet environment for over 20 years (Tongass National (Rain) Forest), I've come to understand that the appearance of water soaking into the fabric does not equate with water soaking through the fabric. If you want to test the waterproofness of a jacket, I recommend that you go muck about and wander in the rain, but don't break a sweat (as you are sure to do while riding a bike in a jacket that is so water-tight that it only breathes where the zippers are open, unless you pedal at a pathetic rate). Having conducted just such an experiment with this jacket when I sauntered around on a mountain picking blueberries and playing with my dog in the pouring rain (see my review with photo of the hood), I can confidently say that this jacket is waterproof (at least when new...I don't yet know how it holds up).
How does this jacket compare (aside from price) to the Cloudveil Koven and Patagonia Stretch Element, both of which also use waterproof stretch fabrics (both, I think, made by Toray)? It looks like the Koven has a slightly higher breathability rating (20k v 15k), but I know breathability ratings are somewhat subjective.
First, I am a Backcountry employee. If you consider my opinion moot as a result, I can't change that. What I can say is that I have had and used jackets from every top outerwear company, I live and work in the mountains, and I am hyper-critical of our in-house designs. I try to remain as objective as possible and I hope you find this review helpful. I have been testing the prototype Men's Stoic 2.0 for almost a full season (size L, my measurements are on my profile page), and I am very impressed. It's a light, trim, welded waterproof softshell designed for year-round use when layered properly. So far, I have worn it in heavy rain, backcountry touring in good and bad weather, and at the resort when it is dumping. Bombshell, while not quite as breathable as eVent (my membrane of choice) or Gore ProShell, compares in my opinion to Gore XCR with a softer hand and mechanical stretch. I've yet to experience any soak-through, and it's definitely breathable and durable enough for any cold-weather activity. The armpit vents open smoothly every time when hiking or skinning in the sun. The soft mesh hand pockets fit gloves, keys, cell, and a thin helmet liner, no problem. The hood is cut on the trimmer side with a soft brim and a high neck. My Bern Watts helmet fits easily underneath; higher-profile helmets (e.g. Smith Holt) are do-able, but snug. The smooth tricot weave inner face is comfortable, but does not provide insulation. I usually wear a Patagonia R1 Hoody as midlayer, and on very cold days, a size Medium Siphon Primaloft Hooded Jacket. The interaction between the Siphon and the Stoic is flawless, and definitely my favorite feature of this jacket. The welded seams look trick and perform as advertised. The only gripe I originally had was the lack of a powder skirt, but the Stoic is not a 'ski-specific' shell, and I feel the weight savings and packability are worth it. I should also mention that this jacket looks killer; I receive compliments and questions every time I wear it. Itâs a solid shell that fits and performs on the level of an equivalent Westcomb or Arcâteryx jacket, and Iâm pretty sure you won't be disappointed. Highly recommended.
The cut is pretty similar to Mountain Hardwear softshells (think Synchro). It fits fine if all you'll ever have underneath is a heavy shirt, but if you want to consider a liner of any sort size it up. The other thing is that with a beacon and other crap in my pockets I couldn't even think about staying at my normal size.
5'8" 135 lbs 36" chest and the small was a tad too small. Medium was much more like a small in other company's shell sizes, and enough room for my beacon harness, some crap in my pockets, and an insulation layer.
Haven't taken it out yet. Material feels nice - very similar to Patagonia Primo Flash shell, but this one has pit vents which the Primo does not.
Is the color (Summit Sky) in real life similar to the color on the picture? ..experienced the opposite on a North Face jacket i bought from Backcountry.com. The color was not as bright and more regular (boring) than shown on the picture..
I generally expect the clothing in the pictures to appear slightly brighter than the product will actually look because of the lighting used for the photo.
I own the Summit Sky 2.0 and this holds true; it is slightly less bright in person, but the difference is minor. It is definitely not "boring" and you won't be disappointed... get it.
A review I saw elsewhere said it's not as bright as pictured. But everything I've purchased that has been BC brand has always matched the photos fairly well.
What everybody has been saying about the fit is true. I am 5'10", about 190, so a little bigger, and went with the XL. It's not super loose, but loose enough to where I could put a medium layer underneath it. It is definitely more of a functional fit than some of the more fasion oriented jackets that are longer and baggier, but way it is cut is still quite nice. It is longer in the back, and the sleeves have some extra length so that you can move around without them pulling up off your wrists. The only issue I have found is that there is no mesh on the pit zips, not a deal breaker, but would have been nicer with it. Great shell overall, hit it up on SAC for 100 bucks!
This jacket is amazing. The fit, material, performance, everything is top notch.
For starters the fit - I am a trim fit lovin' type of guy. The last thing I want is my gear to get caught in what I am doing + slow me down. I am 5'11" 165 with an athletic build + the medium fits perfectly to my liking. I can throw on a softshell underneath or a base layer + I am ready to hit anything nature has to throw at me.
Speaking of nature throwing stuff - this jacket can take it. Rocks, limbs, rain, snow (assumption b/c it has yet to be tested), rabid raccoon...anything.
BC didnt sacrifice the material comfort in the process. Its a quiet propriety material that feels good against the skin + breathes well. The zippers are the closest thing I have to a complaint and thats only because they are so water tight it can be hard to get them started sometimes (more or less a non issue).
Also, collar has an even softer material on it so the edge doesnt scuff your face up when you find yourself wearing the hood all day.
I have yet to get a chance to really test this jacket, but wanted to re-iterate what several others have said: Like all the other Backcountry brand stuff I've seen, this has an "athletic" fit. For another point of reference, I'm 5'8", 155, and I like the fit of the medium. It's not too big, but has room for a fleece layer. The cut also allows good freedom of movement (in addition to the slight stretch), and the construction looks top notch. This is a nice "mid-weight" shell, in my opinion... not as heavy as a true winter shell (and no powder skirt, etc), but definitely not a "fast and light" rain jacket either (but certainly feels more durable). The fabric is comfortable to the touch.
Anyone know where one could check out this shell, and other BC goods, in a store? Just want to see sizing and colors in person, before ordering and having to return stuff. Thanks.
salt lake city and thats it, but they have such an awesome retun policy that you can just buy what you want in evey color and size and then return the ones you dont like, for 7 bucks return shipping!!!!!!!!...too good to be true? it gets better, you can still return that stuff even if it takes 30 years to decide which you want!!!
im not exagerrating at all, if you dont believe me then check out the "returns" link at the bottom of the page
If I was a gortex supplier I would be quivering in my boots. This jacket is an awesome piece of engineering. The quality is unreal, for the money you need look no further for a four season outer shell.
I am 6', 150lbs. The medium fits well with room for medium weight fleece. The summit sky is truly bright sky colored with a hint of green. Additional features: there is also an open mesh pocket on the inside. The hood has two bungee adjustments, one for the face opening, and another that tightens to the the back of the head. Will be a great jacket for winter, I only wish the bungee lines used for the waist and hood were a bit thicker.
I'm looking for a softshell with these exact features--something that's suuper breathable, but still has pitzips (i sweat. a lot). Does BC.com have anything like this? The closest thing i've found is the Arc'teryx Venta. thanks for the help!
I was looking for the exact same thing: an extremely breathable softshell for someone who sweats profusely. I have thoroughly tested and even owned several softshells: Marmot Superhero and Leadville, MHW Dragon, TNF Cipher, Patagonia Spraymaster, BC.com Rime and the BC.com Welder. Honestly, out of ALL of them, the Welder/Rime breathed the best due to the IMHO superior fabrics. Polartec Powershield breathes TONS better than Windstopper, which is what the MHW,TNF, and Marmot are comprised of. For touring or high exertion activites, there is nothing better. The Welder weighs about the same as the Stoic 2.0, but with light fleece pockets and has an internal music pocket. The Arcteryx Gamma MX hoody is a similar jacket that costs more.
I climbed through a few miles of sallal (not sure if that's the right spelling) bushes with this on. Not a single tear. Even sharp branches just slide off. Feels like it will last a long time. All of the pockets are also vents. Keeps the rain out, and the whole thing folds nicely into the hood.
This jacket is amazing. I'm 5'8" 200lbs and this jacket fits like a glove for the large. If you are any bigger than that then deffinetly go up to an XL. It keeps me supper dry and the hood fits perfect with a baseball cap on. The hood is made to be used with a baseball cap so its a bit large but fits perfect with that cap on.
Does anyone have an opinion on the (glaring) red zipper on the carbon? How does the Summit Sky color compare with the Tahoe color from the eVent version of this shell? Also, after reading about this Bombshell material, how is this material different from softshells such as Powershield? Thanks =)
I like the red on gray... that's why I picked that color. If it's not your bag, then I would go with the sky blue. As for the material, this is still a hardshell, whereas powershield is a softshell. This will be much more waterproof than powershield, but not quite as waterproof as the event.
This thing is super nice. I'm 5.5 and about 150lbs and this thing fits great. I got a small and I can still fit two fleece under it pretty easy. It's nice but nothing I'd wear on every trip or around town to much. Has kinda a rubber like feel to the outside and the pit zips are pretty big in my opinion. It works good in stormy weather, it's been raining and near 80 around here lately and I've worn it a few times only to stay completely dry.
seen me through torrential downpours, Olympic/Rainier backcountrys. this thing does not wet-out period. very wind proof. Only complaint is main zipper is a we stiff, (Only better material is Gore-tex Pro). Fits Helmet nicely. I wear a smartwool lightweight merino or/and backcountry.com's merino/polartec zip-top. vents superbly.
So the backcountry.com shell has gone away from eVent in favor of a more durable fabric. Understandable, considering most people want something more durabe than eVent. However, for a superlight shell, will backcountry be coming back with another jacket with eVent?
I'm with Steve on this one. eVent simply isn't as durable as Gore-Tex. My eVent shells don't maintain their waterproofness for more than one winter season, which is disappointing, and which is why I still believe in GoreTex.
As far as I'm aware, we haven't gone away from eVent whatsoever; our designers love eVent and they'll continue to use it whenever it's appropriate (and cost-effective) to do so.
I'm quite stoked about this piece of engineering the design team has come up with at BC. Nice work everyone. The fit is smaller just like most of backcountry.com's product line. So if you are layering with fleece/midlayers underneath, then I would size up. I am 5'10", 165 lbs, 34 waist, 41 chest and went with the XL because the large felt too tight, especially with a layer underneath. I also like a roomier fit for snowboarding and freedom of movement. If you are climbing in it, then maybe go with the smaller size so there isn't much extra material.
The material itself is impressive. For the cost, definitely a shell to consider up against Arc'teryx and the other high-end competitors. You are getting a great shell for half the cost of paying for the Arc'teryx name. Plus backcountry.com products are way more hip anyways. The jacket rolls into its hood nicely for compression on lightweight trips. Its ability to stretch with your movement is key. Water beads up nicely on it but I have yet to test it in full on downpour, although from previous reviewers minus the complaints it sounds like it will shed perfectly. As I found out this weekend backpacking, the material can withstand melting temps quite well. I bumped into my Snowpeak stove while cooking and it only left some minor "seared" markings on the arm. I was thrilled it was not melted through and annoyed with my own stupidity.
All in all, a great buy for me and I am excited to use it in the devastating Utah winter and also on the Appalachian trail this fall to see how the DWR issue pans out. You cannot go wrong with this one for the price.
I bought this shell looking for something to replace a different shell that was starting to leak and was just getting worn-out in general. After looking at dozens of shells and reading hundreds of reviews - I settled onto the Stoic. I was looking for something that could see 4 season use (with proper layering) and something far more functional than the uber-hyped fashion pieces I see everywhere.
First off, the fit of the Stoic is just as advertised - trim. I am 5'8", 155lbs with the athletic V shaped build. That said the Medium is a perfect fit with just enough room underneath for a couple lighter layers. The BC Siphon wool jacket (also in a medium) with a t-shirt under that, fits perfectly underneath the Stoic on me and should make a real nice combo once the snow starts flying. But really it's the small things on this jacket that make it a great jacket. The sleeve length is perfect and the little extra length in back is great. The material rocks - I had never worn Bombshell, but it is super light and actually feels rather durable. High quality zippers and pull tabs are a great touch and having adjustments on the hood in a couple spots is also very nice.
I plan on taking it out on one of the local trails here on a rainy day to see how it does and will update my review then!
Also, is this seriously 21 oz? How is the eVent so much lighter? Given that eVent is much lighter but this thing weighs almost as much as a Shift Welder.
The Event Stoic is paper thin materials. the stoic 2.0 uses our Propietary BOMBSHELL materials, which as the name suggest, is bomber. a tougher face fabric, with a bit more stretch, this material is more durable, and therefore a little heavier.
my original choice: arcteryx SV. bought this instead... it fits EXACTLY like the SV, it is half the price, and it feels great on my skin. this is by far the best shell i have ever owned! EPIC JACKET!
Not sure which Siphon you're referring to, but the stretch in the Stoic 2.0 is pretty minimal; about 2" of stretch across the shoulders under reasonable tension. Definitely enough to enhance mobility, but not stretchy like a fleece or a one-ply stretch-woven softshell. It is essentially a hardshell that "flexes" throughout to prevent that awful binding feeling when you move around.
For me it is too tailored for having any type of layering. Pockets could be a little larger and better designed. A nice jacket if the above could be redesigned for next year. For this year I will go with Marmot and Mountain Hardwear.
The Stoic 2.0 uses a proprietary BOMBSHELL material. While it does not breathe quite as well as event (nothing does!), it has some advantages. 1. BOMBSHELL materials have stretch, event does not. this means a closer fit, but still great range of motion, event you need to wear a larger jacket for the same range of motion.2. BOMBSHELL material is quieter, rattles less when your bombing down a bowl at 50mph.3. BOMBSHELL materials are weldable, event is not. The Stoic 2.0 is welded construction, all flat seams, more efficient to manufacture a fully waterproof low bulk, 3-d fitting jacket.The Stoic 2.0 is more durable material, great stretch, great fit, and waterproof thanks to the bombshell material.
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