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Black Diamond Ascension Nylon STS Skins offer solid climbing, and they fit any backcountry ski out there. The new, reversible double-bar tip loop fits an incredibly wide variety of tips, and the STS attachment system will securely attach to any tail. No longer will twin-tip and super-fat skis be a problem when you're touring the backcountry. The glue-free strip on the bottom of the Nylon STS makes skin removal easier, especially on fatties where it usually takes as long to get your skins off as it does to tear up the next slope.
I have been using these skins for the last three years and have never had a problem. They come precut to any BD skis but can be cut easily to fit any other skis. They are not the lightest skins but what they don't make up for in weight, they cover double in functionality. They seldom slip and if they are taken care of they can last forever. Anyway a little more weight attached to your feet can only make you stronger in the long run. These skins are bomber and work way better than any other skins out there. Make sure to insert the metal tail clip at the tightest possible setting and you will have no problems with them coming off during your skin. I have had touring days when i have put on and taken off these skins over ten times and they are easy and manageable every time. Hope this helps
At the risk of being repetitive, I have Rossi S5 Barras 128/98/121 and I'm wondering if 110's would work or if I should hold out for 120 which are not currently in stock. I mean it is the middle of summer - I don't need them tomorrow.
The last thing you want is too much base exposure that results in poor climbing performance on side hills, so don't get the 110's. With the 120's, you're only going to have 4mm exposure on either side at the widest point of the ski, so you won't even need to trim that part of the skin.
Sorry to hear you don't need them tomorrow, but I guess that booting is preferred for climbing July snow patches anyway. Pray for snow.
I love skins, you can just climb up anything and then ski down, what a brilliant invention. The Black Diamond Ascension Nylon STS Skins are the best I have used. They are light and durable and very quick and easy to use. The STS clip allows for super easy use and can easily accommodate a variety of sizes and shapes without much hassle.
I bought a pair of Fischer boundless crown skis, 98 69 88, and would like to order skins. Does anyone know if the sts or clipfix would be best with this particular ski? I ski in oregon in a wide variety of terrain and snow conditions, thanks!
I've used the heck out of my Nylon STS skins and they still work amazingly well. Let me retrace their life. They were on a super-fat powder ski for a while and did their fare share of breaking trail through deep snow as well as walking through mud and pine needles. Then I cut them down for a lighter and skinnier touring ski and have been on that set-up for another couple seasons. I haven't even needed to redo the glue using the kit that you can get from BD for when the adhesive gets too old. To this I owe the STS system. Its a really easy to use tensioning system that keeps your skins in line on your base even if they get soaked and the adhesive gets compromised.
They don't have a skin wide enough in stock, but look for one in about a 110mm width and trim it down to fit the narrower ski, if you want just one set of skins for both skis.
These skins can take the abuse..resilient when crossing the occasional rock, branch, or other debris in the field. Excellent adherence to both the snow and ski. Found that they do glide well downhill, and are a pretty tough product all around. I have two sets of these and both have lasted me a couple of years at least, so far. Durable, strong with long lasting stick. For cutting, use a razor blade & use caution, but it works the best. Great attachment system for varying tips and tails.
I had 120's on my Gotamas, and kicked myself all the time that I hadn't used 130's. With a 110 mm skin under a 133 mm ski, you're going to have over a centimeter of exposed base on each side of the ski at the tip, and seven mm on each side at the tail. Good luck climbing firm snow with that much base showing.
Well it is one straight width for the full length, so it definitely is not the same width as the tip or tail. This means no full coverage, which isn't that big of a deal. You still have a lot of coverage this way.
In addition to two untrimmed skins, you get the skin saver (the black mesh looking thing that you use between the skins when stored so they do not stick together and are easier to pull apart), orange skin bag, skin trimmer and tip and tail accessories.
I love the Ascensions. I've been using the same pair for four seasons now and they still work great. They'll get you up the steeps with minimal sliding. The rear clip is sometimes hard to work with twin tips, but it's not a big issue. Make sure you put them in your jacket to keep them warm between runs. In severe cold weather, I've had issues with them icing up...but I think that would happen to any skin.
** Rule of thumb - to get full coverage, buy skins that are 10mm less than the widest part of your ski. For example, if you have 130mm tips, buy 120mm skins. You'll be good to go!
I have a question about what brand, type and width of skins to use. They will mostly be used for skinning up ski trails to access upper trails in Maine after the ski area is closed and for some skinning on Mt. Washington. I'm thinking corn, ice, wind blown conditions but maybe a little powder if I'm lucky. I have volkl Bridges with a Marker Duke AT binding. Ski length is 169 and dimension are 130-92-112.
For me, the Ascensions have have been bomber through a variety of snow conditions and I have never had a problem with them icing up. Also the STS clip works great with twin tips!
For your skies, I would suggest 130 mm skins, then trim them to fit. But unfortunately at this time, BC.com are out of stock of anything in that size and in this case I suggest ordering them through Black Diamond: http://www.bdel.com/gear/sts.php
I'm with Evan on this one, except that I think he meant to get at least the 120's. I skin in heavy, wet snow all the time, and I promise that having 7 mm, let alone 12 mm, of base exposed on each side will make traversing a serious pain. Ideally, you want between 4 and 5 mm of exposed base on each side of the ski, as this gives you the benefit of an exposed metal edge and full coverage.
Go with the 120mm. I have 124-90-113s and got the 120 and trimmed them down to fit. They are perfect. You could get away with the 110, but your tip and tail wont be adequately covered, which may cause you to loose traction. Dont go with the 90s, you will have wasted your money. Trimming down skins is really easy and worth the 15 minutes it takes to do it.
No!!!!! Angus is wrong on this one. Get at least 110mm width skins and trim them to fit. Alway get wall to wall skins, it makes so so so much difference when skinning on new or old tracks.
If you're hiking in powder, get 110 and cut them down. If you're hiking heavy or hardpacked snow, get 90 and save yourself the hassle. You only need the extra coverage in really light, dry snow.
The Acscensions are frankly the best skin out there. Yes, they are somewhat more bulky than the GlideLites, but I do not personally notice any weight difference. I would point out the following: (1) the glue is bomber and they are easy on and off due to the glueless strip down the middle; (2) I did loose the clip for the tail but that is easily replaceable (and frankly, with the glue, you don't even need to clip to the tail); (3) the hold the traction on all types of snow up to about 35 degrees; (4) while they do not glide as well on the downhill, that can be improved by applying glob-stopper (which also helps keep the skins from picking up wet snow in the spring and getting heavy); and (5) so of the reviews below mentioned the difficult instructions - if you have never cut skins, just go to the Black Diamond website and they have a very useful video on the proper way to do it.
I have the 165 killowatt which is 95 mm's underfoot. I am thinking that the 90mm skins would work fine. The skins would not have to be trimmed and I would have some edge exposed for security. I recently borrowed a pair of much narrower skins for the killowatts and they worked well. What do you think?
Careful there...Angus is steering you a little wrong. I guide ski touring about 80 days a season, and consistently one of the biggest problems people have is NOT having skins trimmed to fit their skis. You will suffer. If you are the 3rd person through on a skin track or greater you WILL slip. Get the 110s or 120s and trim them to fit with just one extra edge width of base exposed. You don't need more than that.
If you're hiking on solid heavy snow, then by all means get the narrow skins and avoid the hassle of cutting. If you're hiking in powder though, you'll need all the grip you can get and should purchase skins slightly narrower than your widest point, then trim them down. It all depends on where you're touring.
I don't have experience with other brands of climbing skins, but I've found the Nylon STS to be very durable during spring ascents where you will encounter non-snow surfaces along the way. As long as you don't slip back, traversing/climbing along rocky surfaces doesn't cause any rips in the skin. Longevity of adhesion has only been an issue after 8 hours into a multi-tour day. Avoid using the plastic netting to retain better adhesion.
what are skins for..heard many mixed things..been in the skiiing game for a bit..then took some time off and now back into it and trying to get into it alot..been doing the poaching and backcountry thing kinda for out east..wanna learn some more tips/tricks......
Skins are for walking uphill, they glide forward but grab when you try to move the ski back. They will only work with an Alpine Touring or a Telemark setup. They attach to your ski with a glue that holds it on but releases when you pull the skin off. Did that help?
I have been on a pair of glidelites for four seasons now, and just picked up a pair of these. The weight difference between the two is pretty much non-existant, and as far as I can tell the bite is about the same (maybe even better with the glidelites, but that may be just my imagination). The glidelites cost a bit less and are a bit more supple, so if I were in the market I would buy those and save some $$$. Durability wise, the glidelites have made it through 4 seasons of skiing over bushes, getting soaked, stuffed in my bag and they are bomber. The glue does not degrade as far as I can tell (though mine are covered in dog hair, which is getting to be a problem). I ended up stitching the tip loop in with an awl to get rid of the folded back section, which has helped reduce snow buildup under the skin. The STS clip rocks, much better than the clipfix, and far better than the G3 tail clip (though their tip clip is far better than the BD tip loop). I routed the STS clip from the other side of the dongle and then hooked it through a hole further down the strap so the dongles dont hang out and now I dont step on them during kick turns. Either way (ascension or glidelite) these are the best out there, and will last you several years and possibly more if you take care of them. Great product!!
I have skinned a bit on the s7's and they are sweet, the rocker makes for a much smoother kick-step when you are on switch backs, but I don't know that it would work out that way on a fully rockered ski like the hellbent. The little bit of camber, or at least flat spot underfoot seems to be vital.
Depends on the rocker. I have tried it on the K2 ObSethed's, but not with something as rockered as say, the HellBent. The ObSethed's handled it well, hardly noticed a different in the fact that there was a rocker.-------Never tried with tail rocker, but BD Megawatts tour just fine...-------I skin with Praxis pows (reverse camber & rocker) w/o giving up too much performance. Not pretty, but do-able, esp if you are using rockered skis for their purpose. i.e. skinning for turns on deep days.
I finally decided to put an end to whining every time I pulled off my G3 skins (stickier every year!). The BD design with the glueless strip down the middle makes all the difference. These also grip like crazy on steep skin paths. I got the widest ones (140 mm) for BD Zealots--even the tip loop is perfect for these fat monsters. 5 stars!
Get the size just slightly narrower than the tip size and it should be fine.-----------Yes I use these skins with Kilowatts and I have never had the tip loop come off.
BD definitely makes the best skins on the market. I've used this model for my bc tele set-up in VT. Biggest gripes are a) the stiffness means bulky folding under your jacket for the descent; b)the new orange STS seem to get saturated quicker than my old purple skins...I thought it was a fluke of wet pow in VT first season, but then used em in MT and still they get saturated after maybe 2-3 laps on a 45min+ tour. So yes, I would recommend em, but I'm going to try a pr of glidelite next time.
Need skins for Phat Luvs 135/102/121. I've only ever used skins that fit the skis at tips-tails-waist. Will I regret getting 120 mm skins cut to fit at waist and tails but skinnier for the tips? Does anyone have experience with both and did you notice the difference.
Being new to backcountry skinning (never really hiked for turns before), I'm 'touring' with the S7 (145/115/123) for mostly slackcountry... how do I get full wall to wall coverage with 120 skins, or is this unnessesary with such a large ski profile?
Have been using these skins for two seasons skiing the Teton's and the Wasatch. The skins perform great, easily allow climbing up 30-35 degree slopes, and have no problems with the glue or the grip surface. I have only one caution: mine came with "skin savers", a perforated plastic-like material that you're supposed to put between the glue surfaces when storing, and after about 1/2 a season, they began deteriorating and leaving plastic bits all over the glue surface of the skins. If these skins are still coming with those skin savers, save yourself some headache and toss 'em in the garbage and store the skins the old fashioned way. Other than that, five stars.
These climb like crazy, stay on your skis like crazy, and give you a great upper body work-out when you first unfold them on a cold winter morning. Their stiffness makes them much easier to deal with in the wind than the G3 Expedition skins.
A couple tips:
1. Only use the plastic storage mesh for long-term (summer) storage. It's too much trouble dealing with the backing all the time, and bits do tend to come off and stick to the glue.
2. Treat the plastic STS tabs gently. They're very durable, but, especially when you're peeling off with skis still on, you'll get much more life if you hold the tab and then extend your leg backwards to peel the ski off the skin instead of jerking the tab to get the skin off the ski.
Looking for a pair of skins for my Dynamic tele skis, 100.5/74/99, 174 length.First pair of skins so I want something easy and that will last long. Price is not that important.Which would be the best?
Easy to use with a variety of skies, grips great in any snow condition, durable but still packs well. I have yet to have any problems with them icing up after one season of use.
STS or Custom STS? I'm putting them on a pair of DPS Lotus 120s. Imagine the 130mm wide should work fine, but anyone have any choice between the 2 -types?
Super awesome. Never let me down, pretty durable. The adjustable strap on the tail allows you to use a variety of length skis with the same skin, and skins work on a variety of sidecut as well. Example: my skins are cut for 84-underfoot 184 length, and they also work great on my 90-underfoot 193's. THE choice if you're looking for a skin.
durable and grippy enough not to slide backwards on the skin track, even when you're following the BD crew on dawn patrol and they're going straight up the hill. What more could you want?
I've heard gripes about the tip loop but never had a problem with mine coming off. If you make sure the tip to clip length is adjusted short enough to clip on nice and tight, I don't think you'll have problems. I wrapped a rubberband around my skins right behind the tip loop to keep the folded back portion from coming undone. also found that a utility knife works much better than the included trimming tool, just be careful.
Only if you buy them narrower than the waist so you don't have to trim them.---------But you should get them wider than the waist and trim them to shape, the performance difference is considerable.
I just got a pair of Line Sir Francis Bacons. They are 142mm at the tip.Is this skin in the 140mm width my only option?Is it okay that is falls a little short?Are there any other skins that come wider?Will it be easy to attach to the twin tip tail?What is the length of these skins?
Mine ski's are 138mm in tip and I got the 120mm skins, width was great, the tip loop was a little on the short side but mine are an abnormal shape tip. length was just right at 189cm skis for me and twin tip attachment works great
Too bad dilema22 didn't have a trimming tool included, but the one i had broke. I know a lot of people who have not liked the stuff sack, but it seems okay to me. The skins are bomber, for sure, but a stronger trimming tool would be helpful. The old ones were a lot better, so if you have your old tool, you'll probably need it.
These pups do what they should, easy to get apart and the glue seems to hold up well in super cold temps. Really like the tail attachment, no issues with it coming off. Now.........if only Black Diamond could made a self propelled skin, my legs get tired sometimes.
What size of skin should i buy for the 4frnt EHP's - 186 in length and dimensions are 129 / 116 / 123. I am a rookie and prefer not to trim etc. Can I go with the 110 mm?Thanks in advance!
When buying a skin you want to buy a size closest to widest point of the ski. So I would get the 130mm size. Just follow the instructions for trimming them down.
There is no other skin that can match the consistancy of the sticky glue in the cold or wet snow. There is no other skin that can go where these skins go. Don't waste your time on anything else, just spend the $$$'s on what works best and focus on hiking up hill instead of maintaining skins on your skis. If you aren't using these skins, then catch up when you can, cause I can't wait around for you to get your to stay stuck to the ski. I will be the one logging miles of smiles while you grimice and grin trying to hold your frustration in over your substandard skins that only work when they want to.
I have a pair of 174cm K2 Anti Piste (dimensions: 131-98-116), and was looking to buy a pair of compatible skins for backcountry telemarking. Any good recommendations?
I would buy the STS Customs in a 130mm width for full coverage.get these i have then do not get the custom for the tip peice will tear off and cause u trouble on the longer touring trips
go 120mm....< ---- NO NO NO...You need a 130mm. Holy crap are people serious? You always go bigger.___120 will be perfect - you dont want your edge covered anyways, perfect fit for you - mike----If you "go bigger" than your tip width, you'll get the invaluable practice gained by trimming the whole skin! Joy! I'd get 120mm skins for a 122mm tip width...but I don't tele...
Is there a better skin out there? The stiffness factor is great in the wind but can be uncomfortable under the jacket, taking up more space than necessary. I'd buy them again!!!
Hello, What's the difference between Black Diamond Ascension Nylon STS vs Custom STS skins? Which one will be better for backcountry skiing on quite fat skis? Thanks.
The tip loop is sewn in on the Custom STS they will both perform well on a fat ski. If you will only be using these on one ski I would suggest the custom, but if they need to be transferable I would get the regulars.Customs are for specific ski lengths.
I've got two pairs, and both have been great! They peel easily, thanks to the non-adhesive center strip (had G3s previously, which were a great workout to peel...). The adhesive has been bombproof, though both pairs have been soaked repeatedly each spring season. One pair is on fat Volkl Gotamas - monster kick tails are no problem! Watch BD's trimming video (looks reeeeaaaalll easy, don't it???), be gentle (don't twist!) with your trimming tool, and I'd recommend tossing the mesh that's intended to be used for storing your skins. I simply fold each skin in half, fur side out, which protects the adhesive by having it stuck to itself. A buddy used the mesh, and it came apart and left a bunch of residue in/on the adhesive. I'd buy these skins again with no second thought.
find out how wide your tip is, then get a skin to fit it.they will come with instructions on how to cut the skin to your ski.have fun, enjoy the hike.remember to skin with all the tools (beacon, probe, shovel, buddy)
These are the best skins on the market. They are easy to size and fit to your skis, they glide and stick really well, and fold up to a reasonable size to fit in your jacket or pack. Some recommendations: If you have wide skis, I would recommend using the piece of plastic netting that comes with the skins out in the backcountry. My skins are pretty wide and it takes two people to pull them apart if I fold them onto themselves; also on sizing, my skis are 124 at the widest width and I got the 120 skins and they are perfect. You dont want or need you entire tips covered, so you can usually go with the smaller skin as long as it is within 5 mm. Have fun out there!
Get the 130's.. Due to the weight..I say go "Glidelite"no no no no no get the 140's ALWAYS go bigger----The amount of coverage that you'd lose at the skis' tips by using 130mm skins is arguably insignificant. With 130mm skins, you get the ease of not having to trim the very tail of the skins - they'll fit the skis' 133mm tails perfectly.
I finally got to use the new skins this last weekend, up on Mt. Baker, WA. I have to say that compared to my other set of skins, I like these the best. It could be my imagination, but they seem to glide with a lot less friction. They also stick like glue going up the slopes. My only reservation is that they are thicker than other skins. This may only be a aesthetic thing I'm not used to yet, but they are slightly bulky. The glue is bomb proof. I may have to start lifting weights to make it easier to remove them. I would have given them a 5, but they didn't come with a good-looking blond lady to install them.
So this was my fist season on skins and it's unclear to me as to why I waited so long in life to hike for my turns as opposed to riding the lift. Hmmm. Anyway, these skins are great! They're super strong and durable; I slipped only slightly on real steep and icy stuff, but not bad. They don't pack down real small, definately a little awkward if you just plan on putting them in your jacket.
Black Diamond essentially makes two different models of Skins, the Ascension & the GlideLite.The Ascension is a BD classic, featuring durable, hydrophobic construction and offer tremendous durability and climbing security.Where GlideLites are designed to be Super-packable, lightweight and durable, these skins have the same hydrophobic and durable plush as the Ascension Series, but are designed with a thinner and more supple laminate construction, making them easier to fold and fit inside a jacket pocket.Each model is offered with multiple clipping options (STS, Custom STS, Clipfix, Standard):STS- easiest and most versatile system uses an elastomer strap for consistent attachment on a single pair of skis or easy adjustment to skis of differing lengths. Best suited for twin tips.Custom STS- Pre-cut to match your ski lengths, these are a perfect match to a wide range of skis. Come with integrated tip loops and STS adjustable tails.Clipfix- classic system for speedy and simple attachment via a stainless steel camming buckle to secure the skins. Ideal for skiers who want durability over adjustability.Standard- A sewn tip loop for those who appreciate simplicity and light weight.
These skins climb great and are easy to put on and take off. My only complaint is the tail strap tore partially on my second day of use. It still works, but I need to check into the warranty and have it replaced.
I used these effectively in 80cm fresh Japanese powder. 120cm width fits my '03 Seth Pistols perfectly, despite being slightly under-width toward tip. Also STS has no problem grappeling with Seth Twin Tips. Excellent attack angle, limited only by Fritzsche step height! Don't follow BD cutting instructions; use the SJH method, much easier. The bag provided is not big or tough enough. Fat skins need a bigger pouch. Mine already tore. Overall, big thumbs up and Four Stars!
The skins work great! The only complaint I have for skins vs. snowshoes is for the steep hills. Otherwise, lighter gear than shoes and less to carry on your back.
Haven't used my skins yet, however, I had to buy separate tip rings for these skins as the ones that came with them were too small for my skis. I have the BD Lyrics (tip 118mm). My complaint is that there are not many back country skis that are small enough for these tip rings to work. These skins should be packaged with bigger tip rings. Or plan to buy some separately that will work with your skis.
The skins are great, though the blade that comes with them to size the skins is total crap, use a razor instead, I tried that blade that came with the skins and it broke within a couple of the cuts.
These skins are amazing. I purchased several pair, one for each of my fatty skis and one for my boyfriend's Mantras. Definitely use the mesh piece when storing the skins . . . I haven''t personally used the trimming tool (I took them to a shop to have them trimmed). The only skins to use in the BC!
I screwed up following Black Diamond's directions. Don't let this happen to you. Here's how to do it - Before cutting, make sure skins are perfectly centered. Trim excess from both sides. Offset one way 2MM (the width of the edge), trim excess. Offset to the opposite side 4MM (the width of the other edge plus the first edge), trim excess. Recenter. Voila, finis. Now that I figured out how, I'll probably buy another pair - expensive lesson. Still, solid skins. Love the cheats.
Incredibly versatile, this has become my only pair of skins...Used for both my AT & Tele setups, the STS clips have no problem adjusting to an array of ski sizes/ shapes (even holds tight to my TWIN TIPS!).
Putting these skins to the test in a variety of conditions, ranging in steep afternoon ascents to multi-day treks, the Ascensions have held strong in all snow conditions.
Though easily replaced, my only complaint with the Ascensions is that I am always managing to lose the tail clips. I wouldn't go as far as saying this is a design flaw, but blame my own user error.
These things are the standard of the skinning industry. I use these on my Line Prophet 100's and they're great! I am using the 120 size. Someone forgot to put the trimming tool in, so maybe this site could monitor their items better so people get everything... But definitely use the trimming tool. They've been great for my use around Bozeman.
I found the video about trimming your climbing skins on Black Diamond's website useful as I had never done it before. Not too difficult though. You're better off over trimming on the sides because you will want your edges exposed on side hill climbs. The skin doesn't stay folded over the toe fixture unless its under tension but this is always the case during use so no biggie. Heel fixture works great on the STS! Don't get the clip fix!!!
I used theses skins on Denali last summer and although they performed fairly well and survived the trip I would not bring them on another long Mountaineering trip. The STS attachment system is fairly cumbersome and I found that besides attaching itself to the ski that my sled teather and sometimes even the climbing rope was getting caught up in it. The system is close but the clip needs to be slimmed down. The result was that the rubber strap had tears in them by the end of the trip.
custom cut the 130mm to fit my skiis with no problems. Cutting tool and directions seeemed fine to me.Great sticky climbers at big angles. Superior Glue when doing laps. You can throw th e bag away, it is toooo small
If you have a fat twin ski this is the way to go. The sts system works the best with the twin tail. They will not fall off as easy or get frozen with snow and make you crazy mad. Over all a great product and durable. Do go to the Black Diamond website if you have never cut skins. It will make it tons easier.
first set of skins i've owned. working like a dream. i scaled some steep shit, and they held. on the rolling stuff, they weren't so good on the down down side. they didn't glide. i had to run em down. alls good. i'm happy!
Fantastic skin! The STS tails fit my '05 Guns without a problem. The grip is absolutely excellent!! There is more to be desired when it comes to gliding, but to me that aint a big deal. As with most things, once you find a rhythm taking them on and off gets easier and easier. The bag I got with mine is still holding up OK - no holes etc., but it's only a year old, so we'll wait and see, i guess.
These are my first skins ever, so it took me quite a while to cut them and get used to using them (user error), but I've been happy with them on the hill. They come with a metal clip at the tail end, which was difficult to attach, yet the skins worked fine without it. Seem to be great!
These skins are way too bomb proof and too heavy and too stiff. They are extremely grippy and have lower glide than some. Get the glidelites instead. The best way to cut them is to throw the BD instructions and razor into to rubbish. You should simply slice the backing paper at each fold and then fit the skins to the ski with the cut backing paper still on to get the right length. Draw on the paper around the ski profile and then with a set of disposable paper scissors cut 2mm inside this line. This is sooo easy. It is known as the SJH method. I am up to 13 pairs of skins now.
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