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I've used these pegs twice. Once when I set up a 12'x16' tarp as a rain fly for scouts that forgot their tents. It was fairly windy at night with wind gusts I'm guessing upwards 25+ mph. I woke up due to the sound of the tarp flapping, concerned that the wind would yank the stakes out of the ground. They held all night and didn't budge. The second time was staking down an 8 man tent - again in windy conditions. No problems or concerns.
You do want to be aware that the pegs won't fit in standard tarp holes nor some tent holes. I was able to get around this by either using the attached rope and slipping it through the hole and putting the peg through the rope on the other side, or by getting creative with extra pieces of rope I had to fasten it with. Not too big a deal. The only problem I had was getting them out of the ground - but a kick and a yank usually did the trick.
Simply put, VERY durable, VERY reliable, and well worth the money.
I bought these stakes because someone had warned me that when I purchased my MSR Hubba Hubba it would only come with 7 instead of 8. Unlike the other reviewers, the tent I recevied had all 8 stakes but I was glad I bought these in the end. Even though they are the same company, these are a much higher quality stakes and I prefer using these to the ones that were included. They are MUCH beefier but still very lightweight. It never hurts to have extra stakes so buy these!
Thanks Brandon, I figured they would be a bit short. I cannot seem to find any decently lightweight or at least small packing genuine stakes to use out there. I'm coming in on two wheels instead of an RV so carrying 2ft long pieces of rebar is out of the question. The closest thing I have found are NRS blue screws, they come in 12 and 22". They are for sand and soil, don't know how they would fare screwing into the playa. What did you use?
I think these are a little small to hold up out there. the shape is right, but look for some about 12" for maximum tension when the dust storms kick up.
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These stakes are ridiculously strong. I've used just about every kind that comes with a tent. Try and pound them into the rocky Colorado soil and they bend or break nearly every time.
These are absolutely perfect. I can set them in and pound them as hard as I want with a rock, knowing they'll go in and stay in. Every time. Without question.
On top of it all, they weigh and take up about as much space in my stake bag as the original, terrible, steel stakes that came with my REI Half Dome tent (the tent is great, BTW).
I seem to purchase a few of these every chance I get for another piece of outdoor gear I have. No regrets - they're amazing.
I got these mostly for extra tie-down action, but also because the first time I pounded on my stock pegs for my Mutha Hubba one of the top hooks broke off. Granted, it was hard packed desert dirt at a regular campground, but I figured I needed a sturdier backup. So with these I know I'm secure. I just used them in the uintas, and was able to pound them in with a rock in fairly hard dirt (could only push them in an inch or so by hand), and they worked great. The fluke style is perfect, and holds really well. The cord loop makes it easy to pull out when you pack up, and though they might seem a tad spendy, I'd still recommend them to go along with any tent purchase, just like a footprint.
Compact and ultra lightweight. MSR also makes an even smaller and lighter one called the Needle Stake. It is just a strong and reliable its just not as versatile as the Ground Hog. I always carry both sets with me that way I am completely covered.
I completely disagree. I've broken quite a few Needle Stakes by pounding them into hard packed ground with a rock. I have yet to break a Ground Hog irrespective of what was required to get it into the ground. If the Needle Stake is "just as strong and reliable", why would you say carry both sets when the Ground Hog is quite a bit heavier?
These will work with most tents but are too wide to go through the stake tape on some brands. Kelty also makes some that look about the same size so I am thinking these should be ok.
If you are going to use this kind of stake you need the rope to pull it out in hard grround otherwise they are tough to get out. thats why these are nice.
I've got the TNF version of this style of stakes (two planes at 90 degrees making a V) and either the guyline you've attached to it or a twig/branch work just as well to pull them out no problem. I have to believe the same theory would work on these 3 spine stakes.
If you are going to use this kind of stake you need the rope to pull it out in hard grround otherwise they are tough to get out. thats why these are nice.
These are some seriously tough stakes. But for a real jam, the little loop of cord won't likely do much for you. As an example, I went out a while back and somehow managed to pound a stake straight into a tree root, where it sat overnight. Three hefty pulls on the loop and it broke. Ultimately, I had to dig around the stake and break it off (yes, I know it was a conscious violation of LNT). The thing I love most about the cord with these stakes is that it's reflective . . . no more stumbling headfirst into a bush when I get up to pee at midnight.
No they do not. They are to wide for the small cut in the tape. As sugested by Simon the Needle stake works perfectly, plus they are even lighter and just as strong. The attached photo is of the Needle Stake.
I'm thinking No- since they don't fit in the stake tape on my Aura, and because it is extremely likely that Marmot uses the same stake tape on all their tents.
The MSR Needles work quite nicely though, and are of similar high quality and surprising durability.
Agree - the notch near the top does a surprisingly good job. This design also encourages you to make sure you are angling your stakes the proper way - away from the tent/structure instead of toward it, forcing all the pressure of the hold onto the little hooks like on other, sometimes cheaper stakes.
See the head part on the stake? Those bottom edges of the 'x' shape are squared off, and the loops/guy lines catch under them much better than you might expect. Very nice stakes.
Will not bend when common sense tells me to use my boot to get this stake into the ground. I will never use the titanium / aluminum pegs again. Buy one set and you should not have to replace them. Love the red color too, be smart, buy these, save yourself the headache.
These are light weight and very very strong. My only concern is the rope that you use to pull out the stake. They knots that come pre-tied often break, I have fallen over on my a** when one of these broke. If you can retie a better knot, there is no real issue.
are these good for rocky or frozen ground?? anyone have experience trying to pound these into tough ground?? would these be better for rocky or frozen ground than the north face (v shape, 10pk) listed on this site?? thanks
Like others, I haven't used TNF stakes you mentioned. It's tough to imagine a better stake for chewing through tough ground, though. I've used my fair share and these things are ridiculously strong for their size and weight. I use them in very rocky Colorado soil all the time - pounding on them with a rock as hard as I can and they tear into the ground like butter.
I have these and love them as I've yet to bend, even after pounding into hard ground or hard ground frozen in winter. Can't say much about the TNF's V shape as I haven't used them.
Compact and ultra lightweight. First thing I do when I get a new tent is throw out the stock stakes. These bad boys dig in deep and dont let go, at a combined weight of 4 oz. you cannot find a lighter, stronger stake for this price. I have used mine hundreds of times and they still have not bent or mushroomed.
Lightweight, tough and securely holding stakes that are easy to set and easy to pull up. The MSR Groundhogs held my four season tent down in 30+ mph winds with gusts to 40+ mph. The cord attached to each stake adds security as you can girth hitch em to tent lines, so there is less worry your tent will blow away while you search for adventure.
Ultralight, dig tight in the ground, durable, and I love the cord at the top for easy removal from the ground. They don't move unless you want them to.
The best stakes I've ever used. Hold tight, light, and reflective cord on the top is great for not stubbing toes at night. Don't set up you home without them.
Quite using the stakes from your old scout tent and get yourself a set of these. Never had a problem with them bending and they seem to be able to break through all but the toughest dirt. Never had one come up in the night. Had mine for 5 years or so and they're still as red as the day i bought them!
Has anyone got any expereince with these as it compares to the North Face ones that are similar to these. There are two noticible differences and I'm wondering if there is more I should consider:
1. The North Face ones have 2 spines while these have 3 I would think these would be stronger
2. The North Face ones appear to have more of a hook on the top which may hold rope better. My primary use is for a rain tarp.
Thay a lot stronger than the TNF stakes!. I broke the TNF on hard rocks. and on the same day on the same spot use the MSR and the MSR broke the rock!!!
I would think the 3rd spine would make these a bit stronger than the TNF stakes, that and they're a snazzy red vs. the plain metal of the TNF stakes. The only counterpoints I can think of are that the TNF stakes might be just a teeny bit lighter, they nest together considering their V shape and the per-stake price on TNF is something like $.30 cheaper? Personally i've hammered in the TNF stakes into a variety of ground and haven't felt like they were in danger of going wonky on me.
We used both on a recent backpacking trip in New Mexico. The MSR's were much nicer to use than TNF stakes. The string on the MSR's is nice but I did not use it much, just grabbed the top of the stake and pulled it right out. The North Face stakes tended to want to twist as they encountered rocks in the desert soil, but the MSR's held solid in all soil conditions and weather. Pick up a set once they are back in stock.
I haven't used the TNF stakes, but as far as the "hook" on the MSRs... They are notched at the top of all three sides of the stake which will hold parachute cord hitched to the stake. If you're using larger rope you'd need to need to run it through the cord pull loops.
These babies are worth every penny!! Light weight and very durable is the best way to describe them. I just bought the new Mutha Hubba and it comes with the MSR needle stakes (which are awesome as well). The tent comes with 8 Needle stakes which is enough for the tent but not for the guy lines. I'm thinking about getting another set of Groundhogs to replace the Needles. WORTH THE MONEY!!
These stakes are tough. In fact, I have yet to break one and I've broken many a stake in tough, rocky ground. If they work with your tent, you really can't go wrong. If I were to fault them for anything, they work too well. Don't be surprised if they're difficult to pull out when you're breaking camp. Then again, that's probably a good thing considering what you buy a tent stake for.
Great stakes but don't get them here. Save yourself some money and go get the Coleman version at Target. They sell there at $6 for four and are the EXACT SAME THING. That's an $8 difference.
Every time I buy a new tent or tarp I pick up a few (or more) of these. I've never had one bend and they secure very, very well. I love the pull cord to relieve your fingers the pain when they are sandy and it is 40 and raining out.
Pound them in with a rock, and you won't bend them. They hold surprisingly well in sand. They pull out pretty easily. I'll buy another set for every new tent I get.
In sand tie the rope in the center of the peg and bury the pegs tightly in the sand lengthwise (make a T shape with the rope and stake) and they'll work wonderfully
Probably depends where on the beach you're pitching. When I floated Desolation Canyon, over half of my tent sites were on sand, and I was surprised by how well they held. But if you're on loose dune sand, you'll probably need deadmen.
They're only about 8 inches long at best, and though they are bomber stakes in solid ground, I just don't think they're long enough for something loose like sand, especially not in that kind of wind.
I can attest to the comments made regarding the overall strength of these stakes. Despite their light weight, they are solid - trust me. I've driven these into rock laden ground with a chunk of granite and they didn't bend.
Best stakes I have ever used. These are strong, will not bend or splinter. Cord pulls are a super feature. They do not take up space. These are the ultimate answer to stake issues.
Love'em, they are what they claim to be, you can beat'em and they won't bend... They are not sharp on the top, so if your have a need to walk around barefoot in your campsite be careful of the rocks, sticks and knives, not these stakes.
buy these your gunna buy themm sooner or later i tride to modify the stakes that came with my tent, they still sucked. after my first time camping with my tect i went out and bought these stakes. they are durable and last. becareful not to loose them though. overall awesome
I used these on Shasta, and they worked fine in the snow, however, I packed snow on top so they didn't pull out, and there were no high winds. They are slightly bigger than the stakes that came with my BD Firstlight tent.
I had the chance to test these on a winter campout last weekend.
The triangular design allowed me to use my foot and push the stake into the frozen ground without bending them.
AND, more importantly, the small rope loop made extracting the stake easy; another scout that had similar stakes without the rope loop, he had to find a claw hammer to get this out of the ground.
These are by far the best stakes ever made, lightweight and indestructable. I have busted rocks pounding these in the ground and the stake does not bend. The rope loop makes it easy to pull back out.
We used our new MSR stakes for the first time in Half Moon Bay and they are great! Easy to hammer in the ground with a mallot (provided the ground isn't too hard), and can be pulled out by the string/rope with some effort if hammered all the way into the ground.
I would definitely recommend these to any tent camper!
These stakes are awesome! I also replace all the stakes that come with my new tents with these. You can also get a stake that Coleman makes that are exactly like these but are just a little bit longer,like an inch. They are also a little cheaper.Best stake you will ever buy, get em !! Also to ubermountaingirl , you might wanna wear shoes when you drive in sakes and you wont cut your feet!!
While these are strong, ouch when I cut my bare feet on the VERY sharp tops. Wear shoes or, better yet, use a round-top stake (Easton/Mountain Hardwear). Happy Camping!
I bought these stakes because someone had warned me that when I purchased my MSR Hubba Hubba it would only come with 7 instead of 8. Unlike the other reviewers, more...