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The Mountain Hardwear Men's Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket surrounds you with 650-fill down for the coldest possible conditions this winter. Mountain Hardwear's most popular down jacket, the Sub Zero SL is cloaked in Conduit SL—the company's proprietary water resistant, breathable fabric, allowing you to wear the Sub Zero SL skiing in drier climates and cruising around town while those fat flakes pile up. The seams in the baffles are not sewn-through, much like a high-quality sleeping bag. This means there is no true separation of the insulation at the seams, so you stay warmer and more comfortable, without the cold spots common in sewn-through down garments. The hood is detachable, and the fleece-lined collar and hand pockets keep you extra comfortable. An interior mesh water-bottle pocket is super handy for backcountry excursions, and of course, Mountain Hardwear's quality is legendary—there are few companies that match their excellence.
Bottom Line: From town to the backcountry, down is the call for ultimate warmth.
Toasty warmth and durability earn this piece 5 stars and a place in my pack. I've taken this bad boy to AK and Patagonia over the past year and it's been awesome. This is a good expedition/winter camping jacket. Packs down small enough to haul around for day touring and then makes a great pillow at night. Key piece in the winter arsenal.
Michael. The Sub Zero has not been discontinued the name was simply changed due to some unforeseen legalities surrounding its name. If you are looking for the Sub Zero look no further than the Hunker Down Jacket on this here website! I hope this info helps! Enjoy!
TOP QUALITY, GREAT WARMTH The Mountain Hardwear Subzero SL Jacket is extremely warm, wind resistant. and nearly waterproof - due to the Conduit SL Laminate Shell. This is the "current best bet" for any of you Gear Heads, who were thinking of buying the Moutain Hardwear Subzero SL PARKA. Mt. Hardwear after years of great sales of the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parka - has discontinued it - because they think they can even improve upon - they have told me in phone calls. The improved PARKA version will be out in a few months. For now, the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL JACKET should suffice and do a great job for most winter days. It is top quality, and will keep you warm down to minus 20 wind chills at least.
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T Wired. I would look in to an Absolute Zero if I was going to Denali. FYI, Mountain Hardwear is also coming out with a new jacket in Spring of 2012 that we built specifically for Ueli Steck and his alpine climbing adventures. It is called the Nilas Jacket, insulated with 850-fill down, utilizes the AirSheild Elite laminate and will be out sometime in February of 2012. So, it would be between the Absolute Zero and the Nilas. The Sub Zero SL I would pick for my lower 48 adventures. Hope this info helps!
TOP QUALITY, GREAT WARMTH The Mountain Hardwear Subzero SL Jacket is extremely warm, wind resistant. and nearly waterproof - due to the Conduit SL Laminate Shell. This is the "current best bet" for any of you Gear Heads, who were thinking of buying the Moutain Hardwear Subzero SL PARKA. Mt. Hardwear after years of great sales of the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parka - has discontinued it - because they think they can even improve upon - they have told me in phone calls. The improved PARKA version will be out in a few months. For now, the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL JACKET should suffice and do a great job for most winter days. It is top quality, and will keep you warm down to minus 20 wind chills at least.
William, Thanks for your question. The Sub Zero SL Hooded jacket from Mountain Hardwear will pack down some, but it is not really your most packable option in my opinion. If you are looking for a down or synthetic insulated item for your purposes, I would check out the Nitrous Down Jacket, the Zonal jacket, or Zonal 1/4 zip pullover. All of these are lightweight, with great warmth to weight ratio's, and much more packable than the Sub Zero SL. I hope this is helpful for you.
I've been using it on top of Glaciers here in Iceland and up there is -25°C, didn't get cold.. never. This is simply the best down jacked I've ever had or tested, and the price is not bad, a jacked like this would cost around $640 here in Iceland !
I have the 2008 version of the non-SL jacket. Does this model lose as much down as my jacket? By spring my car seat is covered with down that is lost through the shell of my Sub Zero jacket.
I bought the Conduit SL for the coldest part of the winter and it has exceeded all expectations. I've worn it with temperatures as low as -20 F and as high as 30 F. Although it was incredibly warm at the low end, I didn't feel overheated at the higher end. The material seems to be very durable as I put this jacket through some abuse over the past ski season especially while skiing through trees. Wish it was a bit longer but I didn't notice anything adverse about that regarding deep powder days.
The SubZero SL has proven to be a very consistent performer. Always very durable, great fitting and excellent warmth. I love the cuffs, the fleece lined pockets and THE HOOD IS AWESOME! Has kept me warm (warm enough) in neg 25 temps and high winds, while layered over a softshell. Make it a part of your winter arsenal. Sizing: I'm 6ft 185 and wear a Large. It fits a tad bit large, but I use as an outer layer in cold conditions, so perfect!
i can probably guess right on this question but, if you have wettish clothes on and you put this on, like a synthetic jacket, will it dry the clothes or just get really wet?help me, please.
Yep, if you guessed that it would absorb moisture, and soon be at least somewhat wet too, you guessed right. If you're looking to insulate your core and dry your clothes at the same time, you would be better off stripping down to bare skin, then throwing on the jacket, and using the air to dry your wet layers. Down does zero good when wet.
Marcello, I would think if your clothes were wet this jacket would absorb a small amount of the moisture (as any down jacket will do) but your clothes will remain damp.
This jacket is amazing. Its super warm , it packs down small yet fluffs back up quickly, and its get just enough waterproofing to make it so that you don't have to worry when the snow or even sleet starts to fall. I use this jacket for belay duty while ice climbing, and its awesome for after you've made camp for the night on a peak. I even use this to sleep in on alpine climbs so that I can afford to bring a lighter sleeping bag. The hood is also amazing almost beyond description. With all of that said, the only downside to this jacket is that the down has a tendency to migrate a bit. It tends to move to the top of the arms, or to the sides of the jacket if you are sitting down. Its not super bad though, and I've never gotten cold because of it. Overall, I give it 5/5 stars!
Anon. Baffles. This jacket is baffled like a sleeping bag and the baffles are what keep the down in place. You can either sew through a jacket or you can baffle a jacket. The reason you would want to build a jacket with baffles is because it gets rid of cold spots. On a sewn through jacket, each stitch line represents a cold spot. This is fine for lighter weight or thinner down jackets. But, if you are building a jacket for warmth... baffles are the only way to go. I hope this info helps!
This jacket is perfect for Alpin and technical tours, such as big wall and else... older model is little longer and deferent pockets at front just better than this one for a one step in cold days. I use La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX and Trango Exterme EVO Duratherm excelent combination with collor and isolation! Best Regard And All The Best Tomi J.P.
But I could not due to it's poor zipper design. I had a terrible time getting the zipper started and experienced so much frustration that I decided to just stop using it. Thanks to BC's policy, I sent it back. It is very warm and cozy - not light weight but definitely a jacket you are glad you have with you on a cold day.
Bottom line - if your good with zippers, then maybe this is the jacket for you.
could you please tell me the main differences between this jacket (Mountain hardwear Sub Zero SL Hooded) and the Millet Expert Down jacket?, which one would you recommend me?, thanks
Alejandro. Both Jackets are nice and will keep you very warm in cold conditions. The Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket utilizes the Conduit SL laminate throughout the jacket that keeps the weather out. It is a waterproof and breathable fabric but the jacket is not taped so we cannot call it completely waterproof. Typically in the coldest weather the air is very dry and complete waterproof-ness is not needed. The Millet Jacket utilizes waterproof fabric in "reinforcement panels" not throughout the entire jacket. This is probably the main difference. Again, both will keep you very warm in cold weather. I hope this info helps!
Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL Hooded This beast of a jacket has withstood the penetrating cold of snowblowing, where every single ice crystal zeros in on exposed skin like a band of flesh eating missiles. This jacket shrugged it off like nothing, keeping me warm to the point of heat exhaustion. The collar buttons up tight around a balaclava, the sleeves fit under winter gloves and seal well with or without gloves. The pockets are fleece lined and warm. My favorite part is the armored sleeves. The tougher nylon on the sleeves protects the jacket from tearing on branches or ice. Good thinking on MHWs part. I would like them to contrast it with black, like they did in years past, but each season changes colors. This thing cuts through Alaskan winters with ease, and is super lightweight in so doing. Packs down to a small size, although I use the stuff sack for my Thermarest.
I am heading to Fairbanks to photograph the aurora - means some standing around at night ( lows -15 F), but I am short and squat (5'6, 220). Being a short cut this jacket is looking like the best choice for me, is it? other suggestions?
That actually sounds a bit warm for Fairbanks this time of year, but it's no matter, the jacket will shrug off the cold either way. I routinely go out in a T-shirt and this jacket in Alaskan winters. It's that warm. The short length is best balanced, like Mike said, with snow pants. Because of the short cut length, bending over sometimes lifts the hem of the jacket, letting cold air in, and high snow pants or bibs help with that.
This jacket is fantastic. I originally had the Phantom, but its lack of windproofing and a hood inspired me to get this jacket instead. I am 5'9" and 150 pounds, and the M fits great, not too short or too baggy. And now to address some of the many complaints in the other reviews. The zipper is fine, I have no idea what anyone is talking about there. Plastic teeth, metal slider, YKK, and the top part of the zipper kind of seats in the bottom part so that you can zip it more easily. The hood does zip on, the snaps must have been an older model. The "nylon band" problem has been fixed too. One person complained about the style, and to that I'd just say that it is a damn good-looking jacket if you're looking for a burly down jacket. It's not a fashion accessory, it's a tool, but the colors look good and the logos are tastefully placed. Anyone who knows outdoor gear will know that you are rolling with the best. As far as warmth goes, 40 degrees is about the warmest you can wear it in comfortably, and I've been down to zero with no base layer, khakis on the bottom, and no problem at all. I love this jacket, just had it on a week-long camping trip in the desert (freezing every night) and it was fantastic, plus didn't get beat up on rocks, bushes, etc. Highly recommended.
I am interested in the Sub Zero hood, I would like to take my summer hiking in the White Mtns for the winter and was wondering if...
A - Can this be used as a mid-layer over a hardshell or is it too bulky and strictly an outer layer despite not being waterproof? If it is a mid-layer would that be too much layering? I was looking at this or something smaller like Patagonia or North Face Down sweater
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B - I am 6'4 I dont want something where I lift my arms and my waist is exposed, should I consider the Parka? or is that too long for hiking.
Ryan, I personally would not use this jacket for a midlayer. It's not a small jacket, and the bulk would be counterproductive. In addition, the jacket is cut short for wear with packs, hip belts, and climbing harnesses. It's going to be short, by design, and may be shorter than you like. It sounds like you'd be better off with a good hardshell and 800 fill light down jacket.
okay, well i would give this jacket 5 stars except for one major thing. But before that let me talk about the pro's of the jacket. The conduit sl material lives up to the reputation of being wind and water resistant. Keep in mind that this is no gor-tex pro and should not be used as so. 650 fill is adequate for the most extreme weather that marquette mi can offer, including temps in the -15's with windchills of up to -30 or 40. The hood is well designed, and unlike the parka it zips on and off which makes it better. the cinched waste does not compare to a powder skirt, but it is not supposed to.This jacket is not made for those deep pow pow days. The double zip feature is perfect because it is very convenient for belaying.And now to the MAJOR con. The zipper of this jacket is extremely frustrating. I have talked to a local shop owner who has reported numerous sub zero sl jackets being warrantied for faulty zippers.My jacket somehow got zipped up unevenly and jammed. when i went to unzip the jacket i blew out 3 teeth on the left side of the jacket. luckily it was near the bottom and i can still wear it for now. these blown out teeth are a major problem though. Backcountry has awesome customer service and will replace this zipper at with no problems, but still, come on? For close to 300 dollars quality should not even be an issue. By all means, buy this jacket, but beware of major zipper issues. They are prevalent and will ruin your day.
Hey there - Struggling with size selection. I'm 6'2" and 230lbs. I want to use this mainly for warmth while stopped on winter hikes and climbs, as well as base camp. I need it to fit over everything else including base layer, soft shell and hard shell. I'm leaning toward the XXL based on the reviews. Anyone out there in my size range who could offer a suggestion? Many thanks.
Since I just answered a question on this jacket, figured I'd write a review too. Use it all the time in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. I pack this (with some Prima-Loft pants and a bivy shelter) as my alternative to a sleeping bag on winter traverses and SAR missions. My serious climbing friends (i.e. Mt. Everest) make fun of me for carrying a down parka in our humid NH climate, but I make sure to keep it dry and prefer it as my upper layer. I've worn it to 20 below and still been comfortable. Never worn it above zero.
This is a great warm, I gotta have heat cause it is freezin outside jacket.
I like the fit. It is cut short to wear with a harness. I like that. Non-climbers might not. If you have a tall torso it might be too short. If thats the case look at the Subzero Hooded Parka. For me with a 19" torso, its perfect.
Good warm hood. Nice soft fleece in hand pockets. High cut on pockets. The Conduit shell makes it possible to use it in a wet snow you might wet out other down.
Too warm to hike in. This is a keep wam when I aint moving coat. As a photographer that is really where it shines. When I hike into a location in predawn light I do not wear this. Its when I get to location and will be standing for 2-3 hours waiting for light that this makes the difference.
I also own the TNF Hooded Redpoint Optimist jacket. That is much lighter than this, they compliment each other well in my kit.
If my sleeping bag wasn't as good as it is then I'd sleep in this jacket for sure. comfortable and as compact as you could ever hope for. At -7 deg C with only a base layer underneath, this kept me warm. Adjustable sleeves and waist stretchy is perfect to keep a snug fit.
It looks like I might be moving to northern Sweden, where it gets mighty cold. I'm thinking a down jacket might be a good idea, and this is looking like one of the front runners. I'm wondering though if the Nitrous jacket and maybe a Sub Zero vest might be sufficient though? I'm trying to get maximum warmth and versatility for potentially super cold conditions, and I'm wondering if this jacket is the best bet.
Also, would a medium be right for 5'10", 160lbs? ;-)
In the last two winters I've worn my Sub Zero SL jacket down to -35°C, and just needed a longsleeve cotton t-shirt under it to be alright. You'll be surprised how good this jacket really is. I've done everything with it and it keeps impressing me.
I used this for standing and walking to class when the temps were below 20F. At night when coming home from the bars or a friends house you will want this saved my butt(my MontBell Alpine Light took a backseat in the closet). Full hood, overstuffed with down, and ample pockets, you are going to want this over the thinner Nitrous if the temps go anywhere near zero
The Nitrious jackets/vests are great if you're moving. So if you go for a nice cross country ski with the Swedish Olympic team, you'll be fine. However, if you're standing around waiting for a bus, or your car to warm up, the Nitrious won't be warm enough. Go for the Sub Zero SL and you'll thank yourself later. Also, say hi to the Swedish bikini models for me.
I absolutely love this jacket. Packs small, super warm, and thin but strong outer shell. This jacket is a little short in the torso, which is a little annoying for wearing around town, but if you are planning on using it for its intended purpose, it leaves plenty of clearance for a harness and all your gear. This is my second one and I couldn't be happier. Great jacket.
okay, well i would give this jacket 5 stars except for one major thing. But before that let me talk about the pro's of the jacket. The conduit sl material lives up to the reputation of being wind and water resistant. Keep in mind that this is no gor-tex pro and should not be used as so. 650 fill is adequate for the most extreme weather that marquette mi can offer, including temps in the -15's with windchills of up to -30 or 40. The hood is well designed, and unlike the parka it zips on and off which makes it better. the cinched waste does not compare to a powder skirt, but it is not supposed to.This jacket is not made for those deep pow pow days. The double zip feature is perfect because it is very convenient for belaying.And now to the MAJOR con. The zipper of this jacket is extremely frustrating. I have talked to a local shop owner who has reported numerous sub zero sl jackets being warrantied for faulty zippers.My jacket somehow got zipped up unevenly and jammed. when i went to unzip the jacket i blew out 3 teeth on the left side of the jacket. luckily it was near the bottom and i can still wear it for now. these blown out teeth are a major problem though. Backcountry has awesome customer service and will replace the jacket, but still, come on? For close to 300 dollars quality should not even be an issue. By all means, buy this jacket, but beware of major zipper issues. They are prevalent and will ruin your day.On another note, I just replaced this jacket with a Montbell Ultralight Synthetic,hopefully it stands up to the sometimes burly mqt winters...
Correction: fill power is rating of the amount of loft in a given MASS of down feathers -- not a given volume. Loft = volume. Therefore higher fill power means lower density, a good thing, because this means the same amount of puffiness can be had with less weight.
slisn. First off, I would consider getting an XL because of your height. Secondly, I think you will find the XL to accommodate better the length of your arms although it may be a little more roomy in the chest.
There are two main differences between the Sub Zero SL Jacket and the Marmot Jacket. First, Marmot uses an 800-fill power down in their jacket and the Sub Zero SL utilizes a 650+-fill down in it's construction. 650 and 800 are similar warmth... 800 is just a little more lofty for a given volume. Secondly, the Sub Zero SL utilizes a DWR coupled with a Conduit SL waterproof/breathable laminate throughout the jacket making for phenomenal weather protection. The Marmot uses a DWR (durable water repellent finish) on the outside of the jacket only providing a little less protection. The last difference is the price... $360 for the Marmot Jacket and $280 for the Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL. I hope this info helps!
The Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket is a great part of the MHW line of products. I live in Colorado where temps can get way down there. I haven't had the chance to test this jacket out in sub zero conditions, but it kept me nice and toasty at about 15 degrees the other night when my wife and I took the dogs for a walk. The hood is definitely a must. I used to have the Sub Zero Jacket but traded up for this one and I am very happy with the addition of the hood, plus it zips off easily if you don't feel like having it attached. The jacket is noticeably puffier than the Sub Zero Jacket, however the fill near the elbows does seem to disburse into other areas when resting your elbows on hard surfaces. A couple of notable things for those thinking about buying this jacket is that it doesn't really need the dual zipper and it is a pain every now and then. Also, I'm 6'1" 190 lbs. and I went with the XL. I had the L in the Sub Zero without the hood and wasn't satisfied with the length in the back. When leaning over the back would lift over my waist sometimes exposing skin in cold conditions. Take mine and others' advise on sizing up for this jacket, you will appreciate it. All in all I love this jacket...I just wish it was available in the same colors as the Sub Zero.
Going to Nepal in April 2011 for a climb of Island Peak (6189m). It will be my first time in the Himalayas. I typically run pretty warm when climbing in the Canadian Rockies, though I know that altitude makes one feel much cooler than lower elevations.
Would the MHW Sub Zero SL Hooded jacket be appropriate for this type of altitude?
Conor R. In my opinion it would be perfect for your trek to Island Peak. I doubt you would be wearing the jacket when you are climbing but when stopped or hanging out around tea houses in the Khumbu you will be psyched to have this jacket. If you want a jacket that is more packable I would look towards the Phantom Jacket from Mountain Hardwear. It is made with slightly lighter fabric, does NOT have the Conduit SL laminate (so less weather resistant), it does not have a hood but it packs down to almost nothing which is nice when traveling. Either way, you will be warm! Also, my girlfriend took exactly this jacket to the Everest region this past spring. She did not climb Island Peak but still climbed to over 18,000 ft. crossing a couple of the high passes in the region and the jacket worked perfectly. I hope all this info helps!
I originally bought the un-hooded version, but I returned in favor of this one. The reason being that, if it's cold enough for me to want to wear a down jacket, it's cold enough for me to want to have a hood too. There was nothing wrong with the other jacket, but having the hood adds that extra warmth I was looking for and eliminates the draft down the neck on windy days. Definitely worth the extra cash. Besides, it looks way better with the hood on.
It's a bomber jacket. Everything is perfect. The fit isn't too long. Comes right below my waist, about mid-buttocks. I'm 6'2" about 200lbs and I have the large. These jackets tend to run a little bigger because they are designed to have layers underneath. But unless you're standing around in subzero temps, this jacket is plenty warm on it's own.
I've also worn it in temps as warm as 45deg or so, and was equally comfortable. The power of down!
How does this jacket compare to the North Face Caribou jacket? I'm looking for a warm jacket for the below zero walk the dog around the block days. Any suggestions???
Vince. The TNF jacket is insulated with 500 fill down and looks to be of more urban styling than the Sub Zero SL Jacket. The elements are kept out by a Hyvent 2-Layer laminate and the jacket weighs 3Ibs. 1oz. for a size large.
In contrast, the Sub Zero SL jacket is insulated with 650 fill down in a baffled (like a sleeping bag) construction and has more mountain styling than the TNF jacket. The elements are kept at bay by the Conduit SL Membrane which is, I believe, thinner (therefore more breathable) than the Hyvent 2 Layer fabric but the Sub Zero is not waterproof. It is highly water resistant due to the fact that the seams are not taped. After all, if it is really cold having a waterproof jacket is not as important! The Sub Zero SL Jacket weighs in at 2 Ibs. 4oz. for a size large.
I originally bought the un-hooded version, but I returned in favor of this one. The reason being that, if it's cold enough for me to want to wear a down jacket, it's cold enough for me to want to have a hood too. There was nothing wrong with the other jacket, but having the hood adds that extra warmth I was looking for and eliminates the draft down the neck on windy days. Definitely worth the extra cash. Besides, it looks way better with the hood on.
It's a bomber jacket. Everything is perfect. The fit isn't too long. Comes right below my waist, about mid-buttocks. I'm 6'2" about 200lbs and I have the large. These jackets tend to run a little bigger because they are designed to have layers underneath. But unless you're standing around in subzero temps, this jacket is plenty warm on it's own.
I've also worn it in temps as warm as 45deg or so, and was equally comfortable. The power of down!
I have had several Sub Zero jackets and love them and am now thinking of get ther hooded version. Just want to know what are ther exact differences other than the hood? Are they longer in the back and does the hood come off? Cheers Keith
HI Keith, I own several Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parkas (not Jacket). I think during the really seriously cold days of winter, with high wind chills that you would benefit from the extra length that the Mt. Hardwear Subzero Sl PARKA offers rather than the jacket. While I like the greater movement a jacket sometimes affords, I have learned that for greater warmth, the length of a Parka equals greater warmth. On very cold days, I find the Subzero SL Parka is warmer than the equivalent jacket.
Keith. The Sub Zero and Sub Zero SL are very different. The Sub Zero SL utilizes the Conduit SL laminate for added weather protection. To put it another way, the fabric is actually waterproof but due to the fact that it is not 'taped' we cannot call it a waterproof jacket. The laminate is there for added wind and weather protection. The hood IS removable and like the Sub Zero the Sub Zero SL comes with a stuff sack. The Sub Zero has a center back length of 28.5" and the Sub Zero SL has a center back length of 29" so the SL is 1/2" longer. Hope this info helps!
A long time ago, I determined that I was never getting a down jacket because I didn't want to look ridiculous. However, when I took up winter mountaineering, I quickly realized that sitting around camp after dark gets pretty chilly, even with a few layers of polar tec and a shell or two. So, I broke down and borrowed an old 500 loft EMS puffy from the outing club. I was sold. After shopping around a lot, I settled on the Sub Zero (the hood was a big selling point).
This jacket has exceeded my expectations in every way. I took it up Mt. Washington in February and was toasty warm for our summit lunch break. Well, my arms and torso were warm, my exposed face and hands nearly froze. I was able to wear the hood over my helmet and not feel like the jacket was getting pulled up. The internal mesh water bottle pocket is sized to hold a nalgene perfectly and the intrnal zip pocket is great for storing the included stuff sack. The hand pockets have a brushed lining and are totally inside the insulation to maximize warmth. I like the reinforced material (Conduit SL) on the shoulders, neck, and arms, but wish they used the nylon instead of Conduit on the inside of the collar.
I'm 5'10" and about 145# and the medium fits just right. I can zip off the hood and wear it with just a tee shirt underneath when I'm going to class or put the hood on and layer it over a baselayer, vest, fleece and softshell when I need to.
With this jacket, I'm glad I finally made the switch to down jackets. A really excellent purchase.
There's a lot of misinformation out there regarding down insulated garments from China. Advertising says one thing, garment tag says something else. What does the garment tag on this jacket list as the insulation?
denis. does James's answer answer your question? What are the different things you are reading? What 'else' does it say?? More info please. Happy to answer any questions you might have. Thanks!
Every time I pull this jacket out of my pack for a belay I get giddy. Its such a well constructed and thought out puff that will keep you warm in almost any condition. -10 degrees fahrenheit with a windchill? No problem. Pop up the super warm down hood and you'll feel like your a cookie baking in your mama's oven. The fit is quite nice for climbing, but a bit short in length for mountain use, but that's why they make the parka version. The shorter length is perfect for winter climbing as its really easy to get to your harness. And if you really need to dig for gear way back on your harness the double zipper is a clutch feature. If you need a wintertime belay puff, this is it right here, you cant get much better for the price. Yeah you could shell out another $150 for an arc'teryx, but you really don't need to, because this jackets got all that bang for a smaller amount of buck.
BTW, I'm 6' 4" and about 185lbs and the XL is perfect in length and girth and fits over all my outer gear with zero issues.
By far the best down jacket I`ve ever used. I recieved this jacket just before the worst winter temperature set in, and I loved it from the very first moment I put it on! I`ve worn this jacket on some of the coldest places in Scandinavia, and it never fails!
Pro`s: Very warm, even in -30 Celcius. Large pockets lined with fleece to keep your hands warm. NIce and warm detachable hood Can be compressed to save space in your backpack.
Cons: Slighty short in length, this is more of a bomber jacket than a parka.
Other than that, I would recommend it to people looking for a comfy and warm jacket to keep them from freezing on hikes and other activities.
I'm interested in purchasing the Sub Zero SL jacket for the cold winters here in Maine but I'm not sure about what size to buy. I'm 6'3" 195lbs. I going back and forth between Large and X-Large . Even for my size I'm a fairly slim dude, I'm just worried if I go with the large if will be too short in the torso, but if I go with the x-large it may be to baggy in the torso. Any thoughts or suggestions? Help is appreciated. Thanks.
You're right. The Large will be too short in the torso. I'm 6'1" and 195. I have a Large and wish it were longer. I almost sent it back and sometimes still wish that I had.
Thought the jacket was quite good.. wasn't sure at first if the yellow colour was too much ... but yep it all worked out ok ..am visible but it is not an over the top jacket ..anyway .. the sizing was also correct goes to shows that the sizing chart works
First let me say that I didn't keep this jacket. It is a cool jacket and I would have kept it if the front wasn't so much shorter than the back. I understand why the front is shorter, however that's not what I wanted so I had to look elsewhere. If it would have worked for me I would have been totally satisfied. The jacket is great.
How water resistant/proof is this jacket? Not expecting a complete dry jacket for down pours, but will it shield against a consistent light pour? MH website says "waterproof" vs other websites "water resistant" which we all know are two completely different capabilities. Thanks-
It is waterproof using conduit sl membrane. It should definitely handle rain, but you would probably be burning up in this coat if it is warm enough to rain.
Wow is all I can say. A lot of thought went into this jacket and not only is it stylish but it also has all the technical features I'd want in a jacket. Durable material, Extra durable material at the shoulders, fantastic fit with our without layers, phenomenal hood, velcro adjustable cuffs, very light and very packable. Don't hesitate, this one is a winner.
Probably so it won't get in the way of a harness. If you want a longer version you should get the sub zero sl parka. You can probably exchange for one pretty easily.
Sub Zero is the second I buy. They behave in an excellent way in cold weather. Previously I bought the Sub Zero Parka and now buy sub zero hooded by a question that Parker was too long, they used to go to several mountains over 5000 meters and also on the summit of Aconcagua. Very shelters and also waterproof. Worth every penny you pay
I'm around 5' 10" and 210 lbs. so I'm on the fuller side of things. I have a North Face Apex Bionic Softshell jacket that i wear in a L. Not sure if I need a L or an XL in the sub zero SL. I'll probably wear a baselayer and sweater/shoftshell underneath it. Any suggestions...Also I was wondering if anyone knows if you can purchase the Sub Zero SL and another Mountain Hardware shell and make a 3-in-1 jacket?
opps, forgot to finish my answer, Alex I would definitely go for the XL, I bought the xxl and find it comfortable; however a xl would be a snugger fit. Large is too small and you will feel cramped when layering at your height and weight. Hope this Helps. Cheers; Garyfotographic.com
Hello Alex; I stand at 5'10 207 lbs. I bought the Sub Zero SL just a few months ago before december. I bought the xxl because it was a clearance price and the only one in orange. It fits fine with some extra space for comfortable layering. It is also long enough to cover my bottom too with the draw strings pulled to prevent air form coming up underneath.
I'm 5'10" and 165 pounds - I had to buy the parka version of this jacket in a large to fit over my baselayer/hardshell combination for a Mt. Rainier climb. I'd guess that you would probably want an XL. I don't believe that there is an option to make a 3-in-1 jacket with the Sub Zero.
This jacket is great. I took it up for an overnight trip to Camp Muir on Rainier. I bought the XXL. it fits well over my base layer, soft shell and Tech shell... if you're into that. Hood is zippered onto the jacket and is large enough to fit a helmet underneath.
I'm 6'1", 165 lbs. and recently got the Sub Zero SL w/ Hood in Large. It seems to fit although in the torso it's a little baggy. My layers underneath should take care of most of the bagginess, but I'm wondering if the Medium would be the same length, just a bit less baggy? The length is OK, but any shorter would be too short.
This is an excellent jacket by all means. It proved to be wind and water proof and with the warmth of the hood it fells like walking in a down sleeping bag. I am 5'9", 165 lbs., and wear a M, although I DO FEEL (like other reviewers) that one inch longer would've made it slightly better. I've had the black for a week now and have already been complimented many times on it. And since it's snowing in Houston, TX this morning, and the temperature is 26°F, I thought it would be one of the only chances I get to test it in those conditions HERE.
I bought this jacket for a mountain climbing trip in case of bad weather (under normal conditions I would wear a fleece and a GoreTex shell). In the end, due to bad weather, we didn't even go to the summit, but I wore the jacket all the time in camp at night, and whenever it would get chilly. I have no doubt it would stand up to windy subzero conditions, but even as a mobile comforter, it is a great buy!
Anyone know if there are two different styles of this jacket? In some pictures it looks as if the coat is longer than others (waistline is lower.) Am also noticing that some pics have vertical pockets vs. horizontal pockets. thanks.
There are two styles. This one, The Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL Hooded Down Jacket, has a shorter body that hits belt line for pack belts and climbing gear, the hood is held on with a zipper, and it has only one slash pocket on the chest and two hand warmer pockets. The other style, The Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL Parka is essentially the same jacket but in a longer length that hits thigh length, has a hood that is held on with snaps, and has two slash chest pockets plus the two hand warmer packets. Hope that helps.
So far I have used the coat snowboarding 15 times this season. I have never had to wear anything else besides a long sleeve t-shirt with temps hitting -10F. The hood is unreal, its like being in a bomb shelter. If anything its a little to bulky but hey, your not going to get cold with it on. Once it hits 40F or above you cant ride with this coat on, even without layers. I am 6ft 2in 230lb, and I have a XXL. Its the perfect size of slightly to big:)
I love this jacket. I wear it all winter when around camp. The Conduit keeps the down dry and loft up even in heavy wet snow. It fits well, packs well, and has lots of smart bells and whistles. If there was one thing I would change, I would add a touch more down to make it even warmer. Much below zero and it struggles.
After looking at several down jackets online, I decided on this. I wanted something that would be very warm, compress easily, and had a down hood. It was all this and more. I am 6'2", 195 lbs. and the L fits me very well. Like all MH gear it runs short (which makes it all the better to accommodate a harness) but keep in mind if you go larger it mostly gets bigger in the torso. Very warm, very light, and stands up well. I give it five stars and I can be pretty picky about gear.
Pros - Very warm - Lightweight - Wind and water resistant - Packs down very small in it's stuff sac - Better price than similarly preforming down jackets
Cons - Too short for some uses (perfect for climbing and most outdoor use) - Zipper hard to start if the lower drawstrings are pulled at all
I've had this Jacket for a few years and it's a must have for core gear. It's held up well and keeps you toasty when you need it to. Using it to climb Rainier or just watching a meteor shower on a cold night this will make the cold feel comfy!
It's warmer than some may realize. I think people make the mistaking of layering up too much to combat the cold. With the use of this jacket you can have a thin base layer for normal outdoor exertion and then put on the Sub Zero when you rest, snack or stop to camp. Out of all of my outdoor gear this jacket is in my top 3 items for the cold days outdoors.
I would like to wear a fleece (monkeyman) or sweater underneath, but not much more. I think this jacket is warm enough to not need many layers?Does the MHW Sub Zero have relatively long arms? I want long enough sleeves but dont want too much space for cold air to enter under the jacket. What size would fit best? M ? L? How far down my hand should the sleeve fall when my arms are at my side?
I really have to disagree with John and Ton. I'm 6'2 / 165lbs. I have a Sub Zero SL jacket size medium. The way that it sounds like you watn to wear the jacket, I think a medium would be the right call. With my Monkey Man jacket on over a merino wool baselayer, the Sub Zero fits just fine. There is still room to put a Gore-Tex ProShell jacket on over the Monkey Man and under the Sub Zero, if you were really working on a serious alpine climb. The sleeve cuffs come to just above the base of my thumb, and there is a velcro tab to cinch the cuffs down if you want to. The hem comes to below the belt in front and lower in the back. The jacket is meant to wear short, since it is made to be compatible with climbing harnesses for high-altitude mountaineering. You can certainly go to a Large if you would prefer a lot of room for bulky layers or you want a serious (very cold conditions) belay/alpine jacket, but as far as the sleeves go a Medium will fit you fine. As far as warmth goes, a light fleece layer and a tee shirt under the Sub Zero jacket will probably take you to a couple of 10s of degrees below zero, if you are just bopping around town. There are a lot of feathers in this jacket and it cuts a big, down figure that traps a lot of air and heat. Hope that helps!
I'm 5'4 to 5'5 and weigh 165lbs to 170lbs and the medium fits me perfectly. As this is a short jacket, the medium would be way to short for your height. A large might still be too short so you should go for an XL unless your height is much more on your legs and not your back. Either way a medium is too short.
Andrew. I would go for a large. I am 5'9" and 155 and wear a medium. With a large, you should be able to layer easily underneath without leaving to much extra space for cold air. Cheers!
THis jacket is definitely 5 stars worthy... great construction and advanced fabric treatment. Fit is generous. I'm 6'-4", 225 lb., with long 36" arms and the XL is perfect. Love it and can't wait for a blizzard to hit. Only criticism would be for MH to line to chin/collar with the same soft microfiber used inside the pockets.
Dan. You are probably right in between a small and a medium. Depending on how you are going to layer it... I would say you would be more comfortable in a medium. Hope this helps!
I live in Russia, Siberia. Strong winds, temperatures around -30F and high humidity are usual for us. Yesturday i tested this jacket in -35C ( -31F ) and i was really toasty and warm with only thin cotton sweater under a jacket. Best down jacket i have ever owned and totally the warmest one!
Is this jacket just a hooded version of the Sub Zero? Is it longer than the Sub Zero that doesn't come with a hood? I tried on a Sub Zero non-hooded and it was too short for my liking, so I'm curious if this is the same length.
Just to add to the answer below...Also, the Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket utilizes the Conduit SL membrane in its fabric making it extremely weather proof. The regular Sub Zero Jacket does not have this feature but both still have a great DWR. Otherwise, all the other info is correct!
I'm pretty sure this is a bit longer as its more of a "parka" type jacket with a longer back length. I'd guess this one is 1 to 1.5 inches longer, so not much. If you want something longer than that, check out the MHW Sub Zero SL Parka. This one is the "jacket" version; the "parka" version will be about 4 inches longer than what you tried on.
I really can't believe it that people I know come up to me and comment on the jacket. People really respect the Mountain name. Two are actually going to buy my exact jacket. One is sking in CO. the other is going to MN. for a vacation. The jacket is a homerun so far. I purchased it because of the reviews. You can really wear just a long sleeve tee shirt under the jacket. Plenty warm even in the low 20's. I hope to test the H/2/O effectiveness when I use the snow thrower.
I am female but looking at buying the men's small sub zero sl. I would usually take a small-medium in womens shirts. Why? Because the men's version has the front outer pocket and i prefer the overall design. I am 5'8 and 135lbs. Just wondering if there are any guy's out there who have bought the small and if you have any comments on how bulky/big in the shoulders the jacket is.
Tara, I bought the XL for my 6'3", 175 lbs body, when normally I buy medium or large (depending on cut). I find the XL on me to be just right since it is usually worn over a lot of other layers. I am a medium build (shoulders aren't that impressive) and I find the XL to fit perfectly without any bulk. I know we're extrapolating here, but I hope this helps to some extent. Good luck.
I bought a sub-zero last year and couldn't be happier with it. I live in the centre of Canada and spend a lot of time outdoors in -30 - 40C plus wind. There is a version of this jacket with a longer waist that I picked out and although I have nothing to compare it to I would highly recommend it. I'm 6 ft, 200lbs and a large fits perfect.
I have two questions: the First how do one go about washing this jacket? And two, how concerned should i be about wear it around a fire, is a spark going to burn straight through or will the outer sell resist it?
Bryan. Here are the care and feeding instructions... cut and pasted from our website:
Washing
Professional Cleaning: Your down garment can be professionally washed, but should never be dry cleaned, because the chemicals used are harmful to the fabrics and filling and will severely reduce loft and thermal efficiency. Check the yellow pages under Camping, Backpacking, or Mountaineering Equipment for folks who specialize in cleaning outdoor products. Your local retailer may also be able to refer you. Be sure to ask if they specifically wash down clothing.
Machine Wash: Zip up all the zippers, attach all Velcro® and turn your garment inside out. Wash in a front-loading machine only, using cold water on a gentle setting. Use a minimum amount of a mild powder soap or special down soap (available at outdoor stores). Use at least two rinse cycles to get all the soap out of the garment.
Drying
When moving your garment from the washer to the dryer, do so carefully by carrying it from the bottom. Tumble dry in a large commercial dryer on low heat. The dryer must be large enough for the garment to flop freely around. Drying could take several hours and your garment should be checked often to make sure it is not overheated. As it dries, look for clumps of wet down and gently shake to redistribute the down.
No-No's
* Do not use a top-loading washing machine (the agitator will destroy the channels). * Do not use liquid soap or detergent. Do not use strong soap or detergent. * Do not use your home dryer (they have been known to melt holes in the fabric). * Do not lift your garment from one end when wet (lift the entire thing all at once from underneath). * Do not dry in the sun (the UV will damage the nylon).
And as for fires, this jacket is DEFINITELY NOT fire proof! If you wear it around fires you WILL get tiny burn holes in the shell. Most of my down jackets have these... adds character. This would be the same for any down garment on the market. Hope this info helps!
This jacket has kept me warm in some cold situations but I am unimpressed by two things: 1, the zipper only lasted me about 1 year before it got stuck and ultimately ruined several of the zipper teeth and 2, the jacket is too short! I can't tell you how many times I've bent over to pick something up off the ground while in the backcountry and have this jacket expose half my back to the freezing wind. Other than those nuances, I think this jacket works well and would probably in the end recommend it to a friend.
I'm not sure which size to buy fter reading everyone's comments. I think that I may need a Medium, but I'm not sure. I'm about 5'10, 165 pounds. I want to be able to wear a layer or two under the jacket and not have it feel too tight. I'm wondering if I purchase the Large, if I would swim in it?...any suggestions?
This very good jacket but prewious model little longer is just for some expeditions demands. I tested on PAMIR,Russland. Alles Gut funztion fur das Jakne! Augfiderzen Kamaraden! Tomi
well i wear both large and xl in coats and jackets usually. but usually MH Large is small in the length and arms so an xl might be a better idea. next is my search for a mountaineering boot! any suggestions?
6'8"? Even though you have a slim build... I would check out an XL. Simply to fit the assumed length of your arms and torso. It will be big around your torso but the length will be more important. If the XL is to short... check out the XXL. What size do you normally wear in this kind of stuff? Good luck!
Simon. I am 5'9"... 150 and wear a medium. So, I would say that a medium would be right for you as well. I definitely would not go small or large. Hope this helps!
This is a well-made jacket, however the zippers on the one I ordered were absolutely terrible. Trust what other reviewers said-- I couldn't zip the jacket! This is without gloves and with warm hands indoors-- imagine being out on a hike in the wind and snow. Also, angle of pockets is too steep-- you need to be a yogi to bend your arms and get your hands inside.For my money, I would get the parka-- you get a bit more coverage on the waist and the zippers work great. The jacket looks better than the parka (is a monotone, hidden chest pocket) but jacket's got some major flaws.
I am 5 feet 8 inches, chest 41, waist 40 and hip 44 (im fat, basically.)
Should I go for an L or an XL? I need to be able to fit a fleece/sweatshirt underneath as well, if that changes anything. (i tried on the XL on the men's alcove jacket by the same company and that fit me fine.)
Firstly, I love it to death, and it keeps me toasty now that Ithaca, NY has gone from 40 to near zero at night. I'm a very tiny dude (5'4") and not built, so I ordered a small. That was probably a mistake...if you want to put it over your other layers while belaying or striking camp, buy a size larger than you need. My men's small is fine for around Collegetown, but there is no way I'll fit it over my hard-shells - I should have gone a medium. Additionally, cinching the waist cord made it go - the fabric at the back to which the bungee cord was sewn tore away - within the first 3 weeks (bought it 4 weeks ago). So relying on the lifetime guarantee there. The 'small' on me goes just to the waist, just barely, so it's not keeping the butt-cheeks warm..although climbers may appreciate this (or not?). I think others have commented on the rest..fleece handwarmers, great loft, good in the details save ONE!! The zipper is a pain to use..normally takes 4-5 tries to get it to work..making sure the zippers are right down the bottom. Disappointing for a $300 jacket. The hood is great..don't buy the version without. The neck can be a bit tight if you're wearing e.g. a softsthell hoodie or fleece with a high neck underneath..cough cough. Otherwise I love it. Can't comment on rain, although you won't want to use it in above freezing anyway. Just be aware that a 'small' really is very small, although I can't comment on mediums. I guess I can always wear it as a super mid-layer! Compacts to size of summer down sleeping bag, w/ about the same weight. tight lines!
Down fill ratings are all about performance vs. weight. The higher the down fill power, the more efficient the down. So a 650 fill jacket rated to a certain temperature will weigh X lbs, but an 800 fill jacket rated to that same temperature will weigh less than the 650 fill jacket. The higher fill power, the more dead air space each plume of goose down traps, and dead air space is what provides the warmth. So is the 150 difference important? Depends on what you plan on using the jacket for.
SO I think I figured out the zipper, I noticed if you hold the coat tight and make the zipper tight then the zipper seems to snap ( so to speak) and zips right up. I recently got the mens small because they were out of the womens med and the mens is great. The color is way better than the womens and it is so light weight and super warm. I live at 9000 ft we get several feet of snow and this coat is the only one I would say is bomber!! Thanks Hardwear!!
Just answered your question somewhere else on this page. The weight is 2lb, 4oz... and this would be a great down jacket for cold days on the Kaiparowits. If you did not want to take down... check out the Hooded Compressor Jacket from Hardwear as well. It won't be as warm due to the amount of insulation but it would work well for the use you describe. Hope this helps!
This is my first ever down apparel. After reading other reviews, I decided I must try on some before I buying. I agree the zipper is a little on the awkward side, but it's do-able. I just hope it's something that won't change when my hands are freezing and touch is a little more unmanageable. The Velcro overlaps are somewhat of a nuisance when unzipping, but I just bet they will be much appreciated in the wet or cold windy conditions. So I tried the Sub Zero jacket on. It seemed to eliminate all these issues. So why the Sub Zero SL hooded jacket? I tried it on and it felt warmer for some reason. I think it is the lining material inside the jacket- it really doesn't have any more down than the Sub Zero. It seems a little puffier as well? Anyway, then I put the hood up-wow! $100 more for a hood and a little water resistance? In spite of this, it suddenly seemed worth it (to me). With the hood up it is way warmer. I occasionally find myself with friends up in higher, colder conditions with astronomy gear. We don't have a lot of moving around, so there is nothing worse than being really cold and standing still trying to focus with numb cheeks and fingers. This jacket fits the bill perfectly. It also will beat the full body gear when it comes to the occasional breaks necessary when drinking too much hot coffee. A last comment on the length of the jacket. Yes, it does seem a little on the short side. With 2-3 more inches in length, and made somewhere else besides China, this jacket would be a six star jacket. With all this in mind, it is a warm, easy to move in, well made jacket that has a lot of pluses- stuff-able,Velcro sleeves, removable hood, water resistance, cords to tighten the fit as needed and what appears to be a more wear resistant fabric than some.
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1 Comment Last Comment: June 29, 2010 by: rqu100369493
By: rqu100369493
June 29, 2010
Climbed Mt Ranier in some cold and snowy weather...worked great!! Would highly recommend.
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