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Slide into the Mountain Hardwear Sub-Zero Jacket and you’re ready for the nastiest, wind-chilliest weather that Mother Nature can hurl your way. The 650-fill goose down keeps you nice and toasty, while taslan reinforcements on the sleeves and shoulders protect the Sub-Zero from abrasion in the most common areas for tears.
HIGHER QUALITY/FAR WARMER THAN MOST OTHER PARKAS! Alert to Fellow Geaheads: The Mountain Hardwear Subzero SL Parka will serve you better than any parka that I have tested from Land's End, Eddie Bauer, LL Bean or any of the "commercially advertised brands." With winter a week or two away - the following info. is important as to why this is a great parka, and a better choice than others: BOTTOM LINE REASONS: 1) Baffled Construction - This prevents the cold spots and loss of body heat that lesser garments with sewn through seams unfortunately allow! The Subzero SL protects you from cold spots and loss of body heat - very important! 2) It is highly wind resistant - due to its Conduit SL Laminate Shell. Thus, you will be protected from biting winter winds! 3) It is nearly waterproof - due to its Conduit Laminate Shell. 4) It has 15 ounces of Down Fill - a significant amount of down, which will keep you warm! 5) It has an Awesome Down Filled Hood - that is also Face Protective. Since 65% of our body heat is lost through one's head- a great hood is imperative! The Subzero SL Parka delivers here also. TRUST ME! THIS IS A PARKA THAT PERFORMS!!
Unless i got a lemon, there is two serious cold spots on the biceps area. One on each arm. No, nada, none down. Hood is very good with face comfort and protectiveness. You do not loose 65% of your body heat through an unexposed head. Newest research has suggested that heat loss is equal throughout body, with the exception of digits (fingers and toes). I am returning my MH and sticking with LL Bean and Columbia.
Dear Ray, No Manfacturer can guarantee that every one of its parkas will be uniformly filled with Down. I understand your frustration, but based on my experience I would have trusted the Mt. Hardwear Brand and the Subzero SL Parka, and just asked for a replacement. I would bet you that the replacement would have been absolutely to your liking. I base this judgment on the fact that I own four Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parkas - and not one of them has any coldspots or lower down fill in the area of the biceps. For the future, you might want to give Mt. Hardwear a second try. They have great gear, and the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parka has proven itself among many many satisfied consumers. Hope you are open to this suggestion.
I have both the Subzero SL Jacket and the Subzero SL Parka. Purchased the jacket for Mt. Washington and then later the parka for Rainier and Denali.
Now I have two down coats sitting around!
I plan to hold onto the parka as I will be using it on future trips. Any reason to also keep the jacket around? As far as I can tell, the parka is just a longer version of the jacket (and I like the side pockets much better!).
Not particularly. You're right about that being the difference. The jacket is shorter to allow easy access to backpack hip belts and climbing harnesses. If ice climbing, cold weather camping, and other like activities aren't something you do, there's not really a reason to have both.
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Hi, wanted to go camping in Norway all year round. Temps can get as low as -40c. Was wondering if I could settle for this jacket or should I go for an absolute zero? Of course I want the absolute zero because it seems to be the best jacket on the planet, but of course its over double the price. I will also be buying an athletic cut softshell (arc'teryx venta sv)So could perhaps layer it under my sub zero sl parka. I would like to know I could camp in the dead of winter there and not die with that setup. Any advice would be welcome. I don't want to go overkill with the other jacket but seems like from all the pics of people wearing this thing on top of mountains at altitude this thing could do the job with layering.
I'm from aus as well so I know also that when I get back if I have the absolute zero then I may never use It again but also want to make it back.
I am norwegian - done a lot of wintercamping/climbing. Get old fashion 100%woolen underwear!!!!!!! (icebreaker, devold or janus) forget about syntetic things. I have Mountain Hardware down jacket - fantastic! I only use it when I am sitting still or in and out of the car. To bulky to go for long skitrips with a backpack.
Andreja, I would recomend if you are going to wear a shell over down you would be better served with an 800 fill down sweater, or if you want a hood, an 800 fill down Jacket. Much more compact and extremely wrm. I would also recomend a hard shell for your outer layer. Arc'teryx Sidewinder shell is world class, I wear mine year round for rain or snow. And since your most concerned about survival and getting the most for your money this would be a more practical purchase. For camping in winter be sure to consider a good set of hardshell bibs. I'm small and light and this type of setup works well even for me in subzero F temps.
I have this jacket, and I love it. Its super warm, and I would think that the Absolute zero would be overkill. I've belayed long windy pitches in weather down to -15 F and was plenty warm. If it truly gets too cold while you are sitting around at camp, you could always just grab your sleeping bag. I think that this jacket would be a much more versatile choice for you. Hope that helps!
kakuhenrich. The weight in grams of down in each jacket is as follows for a large jacket: Sub Zero Jacket = 261g and the Sub Zero SL Jacket = 321.5g. I hope this info helps!
This is an ultra warm jacket. Got it three years ago on a holiday sale for $180 plus a free backpack. The Conduit SL fabric keeps any wet snow or sudden rain from soaking down(though I doubt anybody will be able to bear the heat this jacket retains if it warm enough for rain). The baffles are not seamed sealed, but for the temperatures this jacket is made for, that does not matter too much. The Conduit SL fabric also prohibits the wind from robbing you of warmth as well. Two Napoleon pockets on the chest are out of the way of backpack straps(not the sternum strap though). I have found them extremely useful to make sure my snacks don't freeze and to store my headlamp. One internal pocket and an internal mesh water bottle holder are nice as well. On the inside of the jacket there is a draw-cord to tighten the back of the jacket at your mid section. This draw-cord does not go all the way around the jacket. A draw-cord at the bottom helps seal the weather out. The hood provides ample coverage with the chin and nose able to be protected from the elements. With the hood down, you are still able to utilize the chin protection. This has been useful for me when needing to cool down but still protect my face from the cold/wind. On one trip, I was in waist deep powder, -15 F with 30mph winds while snowshoeing back to the car after a sleeping bag had water spilled on it, and did not notice the storm going on around me. This jacket is bomb proof. After four hours with ice forming on my pants, I was still toasty warm thanks to this jacket.
Had it not been for the low price and the lack of any stores carrying other parka's to look at I would not have bought this jacket though. My reasons for this came after I had purchased it 1) Snap buttons securing the hood. Had the hood off in strong wind and one of the buttons unsnapped. 30mph with gusts ~45mph. I did not notice until I had put the hood back on and noticed a draft. Having the hood completely secure would be nice. A zipper, though more weight, would be another option. 2) Hand warmer pockets are not down proof*. This is really a shame that this was not addressed in the design phase. Stick my hands in with fleece, wool, or cotton gloves and they come out covered in down. These pockets are lined with a soft material that feels great on the hands and is not the same material that all the other pockets are lined with. All other pockets are down proof. As I primarily used this jacket for walking to class when the temperature dropped below 10 F, I normally had light gloves on. Over the course of the winter I "pulled out" too much down for my liking. *Please note that I did purchase this jacket three years ago and the design and construction could have changed since then.
Besides the negatives, this jacket has saved my butt a few times and will always have a spot in my closet. I won't reach for it often due to its warmth, but when I do, I know it will be up for the task.
I have been tasked with finding a jacket for my husband who is planning a business trip to Moscow next month. UGHHHH! We hear it has been 30 below zero in February and living in Florida he DEFINITELY does not have anything that even comes close to accomodating those kind of temperatures. HELP!!! Don't want to spend a fortune for a 7 day business trip- but also don't want my husband coming home with frostbite! What would anybody suggest?
I agree with Mike, I have the Sub Zero SL Jacket (same thing, just a bit shorter) and I live in Alaska, where it gets a little chilly. This jacket is excellent, and will keep his torso very warm. I don't know what else you've planned, but I recommend a good base layer for his legs, warm boots, gloves and a beanie or something for the head as well, especially if he plans on being outdoors for much longer than 15 minutes or so at a time. That kind of cold can rip right through you, so either minimize your time outdoors, or gear up appropriately.
Also check geartrade.com for returned/lightly used gear for discounted prices. Backcountry is a seller there, and they're super fast shippers and great to work with.
This jacket is amazing. Its super warm , it packs down small yet fluffs back up quickly, and its get just enough waterproofing to make it so that you don't have to worry when the snow or even sleet starts to fall. I use this jacket for belay duty while ice climbing, and its awesome for after you've made camp for the night on a peak. I even use this to sleep in on alpine climbs so that I can afford to bring a lighter sleeping bag. The hood is also amazing almost beyond description. With all of that said, the only downside to this jacket is that the down has a tendency to migrate a bit. It tends to move to the top of the arms, or to the sides of the jacket if you are sitting down. Its not super bad though, and I've never gotten cold because of it. Overall, I give it 5/5 stars!
After running those numbers, you're very similar in build to me. I wear a medium Sub Zero, with lots of room to layer. You could comfortably wear either the medium if you like looser garments, or small, if you wanted a tighter fit.
This is a great parka with very good material and offering great value for the price. I tested it recently in Regina, SK Canada where the mercury dropped last week to -34C (-48C with wind chill) and the jacket lived up to expectations with only one other layer of protection. On regular winter days, it provides more than enough protection even for extended times.
The only downside that I've seen is that the main zipper is hard to zip up and seems to be of poor quality. My suggestion to MH would be to improve the quality of the zipper to make this an unbeatable package.
Other than the lame hood attachment, this is the best coat for the money. Living in Fairbanks for 10 years, I've seen some pretty cold weather. Last year, when the temperature scales met (-40 C and F) for a few days, I put on one light base layer, a very thin softshell, and the Sub Zero Parka on top, with the same bottom two layers on my legs, with the Compressor Pant as an outer layer, and my normal winter boots, and was overheating after simply standing outside for almost an hour. The only reason to get the Absolute Zero parka is if you are heading to Antarctica in winter or doing some high altitude mountaineering, like the description says.
wow, nice! i have the non-parka version of this jacket and the only problem i ever have is the length. seeing as i love this jacket so much, i was going to get the parka version. the hood attachment is a zipper, i dont know what everyone else is talking about. probably the older models. I just moved up to Fairbanks actually and was going to use the compressor pants as well.
kakuheinrich. The Sub Zero SL Hooded Jacket does utilize the Conduit SL laminate but it is not a waterproof jacket as we do not tape the seams or weld the baffles. We put the Conduit laminate in this jacket to make it extremely weather resistant but not waterproof. If it's raining, it is probably warm and you may be using a different jacket as you would be overheating in this one. If you are looking for the warmest and most waterproof down jacket that we make... check out the Absolute Zero Jacket. It utilizes 800-fill down, taped seams, and welded baffles. I hope this info helps!
This is a very nice down parka at it's current price at Backcountry ($235) and with discounts that bring it close to $200. At this price point it blows the competition away. Depending on your planned use, you may wish to consider the Absolute Zero Parka in the MHW line (but at seriously more change) for a more hardcore piece of mountaineering equipment and a more technical jacket in critical applications. The Sub Zero SL Down Parka compares with products like TNF McMurdo, Baxter State Parka, Cabella's Etc. and is a better piece of equipment. You get more down fill (650 vs 550), a warmer jacket, equal or better construction quality and features.
To address some of the shortcomings in this parka previously mentioned: The zipper is a good quality YKK that allows bidirectional unzipping. This is a feature with similar zippers in all the jackets I looked at in this price range. A single zipper like the Absolute Zero is much easier to start and use with gloved hands but does not allow you to unzip the bottom to squat, sit or get into pants pockets. A fixed hood like the Absolute Zero offers no drafts or removability. Almost all jackets in this price range offer a removable hood. Although I would prefer a zipped hood with a velcro or snap storm flap covering the transition, this current hood has worked well for me and not detached or allowed drafts in 30 MPH winds. The pocket zippers are taped and work fairly well without material getting caught so far. My TNF Nuptske is really bad in this department.
This jacket's strengths:
Good Packability Light Weight Good Wind Protection Good Down Fill Weight (650) Toasty Warm even with no exertion in subzero temps with winds (tested so far to -5F with windchill -17 Ample Pockets, Tech Spec's are incorrect this jacket has 4 Front (2 Napoleon and 2 Hand warmer) and 2 Interior pockets ( one a mesh water bottle) pocket) Good Hood adjustment 2 draw strings-one at bottom and a higher 3/4 cord in waist
I haven't had this on any mountains yet, but it's a necessary addition for any Chicagoan's arsenal. With our bone-rattling cold snaps, wind kicks from the lake, ice-rain, and snow, this parka laughs at it all. On one particularly cold and windy day, I wore my MH MonkeyMan underneath and the only cue for me to go inside was my Husky pulling me home.
Pros: 1) Comfort! So glad I went with the longer Parka version of this jacket 2) Sharp! Pics don't do it justice 3) I've had zero issues with the zippers, so I'm not sure what other reviewers are on about. 4) The parka repels water fairly well and snags even better. 5) It has more pockets than I can find a use for. 6) My wife tugged the hood roughly and I was surprised when none of the buttons released. 7) Lined hip pockets are awesome when you forget your gloves
Cons: 1) While the mesh thermos pocket is a neat idea to keep your drink of choice from becoming a slurpee while sitting next to the fire, I can see how the location of the pocket would be very annoying (to use) while doing anything more active than walking or hiking. 2) Though it may feel like it, you can't take over the world just because you're wearing it.
The pictures on this site for the Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero SL Down Parka look a little outdated. I'm thinking about buying this jacket, but for $300 I want to make sure I'm buying the new 2010 version. I've seen newer photos of this jacket on various websites, but I'd like to buy from backcountry.com due to their excellent service. Does anyone know if their selling the new version of this jacket. Thanks.
I'm not professional climber, just sporty type but I always get really cold so finally I did my research and found this jacket for reasonable price for the warmth provided :) It's great, first time in my life I don't have to put layers to feel warm :) and it's longer than regular jacket so my kidneys will feel warm too :) I was afraid it might be too warm just to wear it on daily basis (I read all other reviews and I'm only at 5000 feet here in Colorado :)) but to my surprise I was fine even in 32 degree weather (as well as 9 degree:)) The only thing if you have to remove snow from your car in 32 degree weather then yes it's toasty -toasty but other than that it's fine. I still have to try in on the slopes but I think it will be fine too- finally I won't freeze on the chairlifts :)(I don't think it will work during spring skiing though since there is no vents and that's the only minus of this parka) I like the strap inside so I can change the puffy parka style to look more like jacket without loosing the length. So for now I like it a lot. I'm 5'8'' and got men size M, but I do some rowing so my shoulders are a bit wider and my arms are long too so even though overall I think the jacket might be tiny bit too big but I love that sleeves are perfect length.
John W. The Alcove Jacket is made with 200grams of Primaloft PL One which is really warm. As far as R-value or insulative value is concerned... warmth would be really similar between two exact jackets made exactly the same way - one with down and one with Primaloft. The difference would be in the overall weight. The Primaloft version would be a little heavier than the Down version. Hope this info helps!
Really got to test out my sub zero this weekend at the Chicago Bear game against the New England Pats. If you saw the game on tv you say that it was absolutely miserable and cold out there. Not for me! I was so warm and comfortable. I cannot say enough about how warm this coat is. I did not even have to layer up like I normally do. My son and I looked like twins as he got his last year and talked me into this parka. If I had to give a negative, the only thing I would like changed is the zipper. Make it a little more heavy duty. I have had some trouble getting it started at the end. Other than that it is wonderful.
Really got to test out my sub zero this weekend at the Chicago Bear game against the New England Pats. If you saw the game on tv you say that it was absolutely miserable and cold out there. Not for me! I was so warm and comfortable. I cannot say enough about how warm this coat is. I did not even have to layer up like I normally do. My son and I looked like twins as he got his last year and talked me into this parka. If I had to give a negative, the only thing I would like changed is the zipper. Make it a little more heavy duty. I have had some trouble getting it started at the end. Other than that it is wonderful.
I am looking for WARM parka to be worn while stationary or minimally active. I have other technical jackets for activities. Preferably water-proof but not required. Would like to stay below $300. Is this parka better than the variety of North Face?
Hi Marcus, I have bought my third Mt. Hardwear Subzero Sl Parka recently from Backcountry - and it provides warmth while I am stationary or minimally active. I switched to the M.H. Subzero SL Parka several years ago, and find it provides warmth and protection from low temps. and high wind chills. You won't be disappointed. In my view, it is a higher quality product than equivalently priced North Face parkas. Go for it!!!
Nice Parka/Very light and warm/big enough to layer underneath but not to an extreme/Hood feels a little bulky but is down filled and warm and I can live with the bulk considering . No problem with snaps on the hood/ I like them much better than a zipper.
This is one of the worst MH products I have ever owned and I have a lot of MH. I used this parka for a winter summit attempt on Mt. Rainier. #1 the hood snaps on - not zippers. In a 'real' winter mountain wind the wind will blow through every snap gap and freeze your neck. #2 everytime you try to zipper the pockets the zippers get material in them and jam-up. Then you have to remove your gloves to fix the zippers. To me these are both show stoppers for a coat designed for as the name implies Sub Zero. Don't buy this parka and MH should either fix these issues or pull it off the market! Of course if you are just wearing it as a puffy jacket to the bar go ahead just don't wear it for its real use.
A little insider info... the reason that we went with snaps on the hood of the Sub Zero Parka was due to a request from guides on, ironically, Mount Rainer. They complained of the zippered hoods blowing off in the wind when coming un-snapped (there were two snaps) and un-zipped when blowing around behind them while climbing. The snaps... believe it or not are more secure when climbing in the wind... and won't come un-snapped. As for fabric being caught in zippers? I do not think that is just a Mountain Hardwear problem. Sorry you did not have a good experience with your jacket...
I bought this coat for my husband who is 6'5" and 230, but liked it so much, I turned around and bought a men's small for myself. I'm 5'8 and 135, but there's plenty (like lots) of room (I can wear my down vest underneath with no prob.) I bought my son the subzero Mountain Hardwear Jacket (not the parka) for his birthday in December. He's 5'10 and 170, so a bit larger than you. The medium fit him great, so I guess if I were you, I'd go for the small.
got the jacket a few weeks ago and haven't been happier....or, warmer. I live in Toronto, Canada....and with this coat, I wish I lived on Everest!! I pray for cold weather and laugh at people freezing in their "Non- Mountain Hardware" sub par windbreakers.......all my friends have commented on it and I don't wear anything but a t-shirt underneath when before, I would wear 3 layers plus my Columbia coat (which, I still love) but no where near the same league as the MH. Last thing....I'm 5'10, 170lbs and I bought a medium and it fits perfect............I love this thing!!!
I come from Italy and I wasn't prepared to the frozen American winter. This down parka is exactly what I was looking for: light to carry but extremely warm. easy to put in the luggage back home, perfect in the snow and wind. It changed my life here, I'm no more scared about weather conditions.
hanqing. The Sub Zero SL Down Parka will be warmer than the Phantom. This is due to many things (hood, amount of down fill, conduit laminate, length etc) Hope this helps!
Higher fill count doesn't exactly make the jacket warmer, 800 fill down is just more packable and lighter due to fewer stems on the down feather. If both the phantom and the sub zero have the same fill weight or content, then yes the 800 would be warmer (stems don't keep you warm). It doesn't appear that is has the same amount of fill however, so it would seem to me that the sub zero parka would actually be warmer.
Just got back from two weeks in the North Cascades. I tend to run pretty warm so a down parka in late May early June seems like overkill but it came in handy several times. It was raining cats and dogs for our approach and I was soaked to the bone and cold once we hit base camp. Once I put the parka on, I immediately warmed up. The odd thing was that the heat from my body was condensing on the outside of the parka and then freezing. Strange indeed but it still insulated me.
One thing I really like about this parka is its length. I have an odd-shaped body with short legs and long torso. If you are like me then you will find the length will suit you fine.
I purchased this parka for my husband for Christmas. He is a professional guide, who leads quite a few naturalist tours in Yellowstone in winter. This jacket is perfect for low-impact activities, such as wildlife watching and walking slowly around a thermal area through deep snow in subzero temps. It is too heavy and hot for any type of major aerobic activity, which was not what I bought it for anyway. The length in the XL is actually long enough for my 6'5" husband. The shoulders are reinforced for wearing with a pack, and the lower back also has thicker material for protection when sitting. There are 2 outside chest pockets, and fleece-lined handwarmer pockets, as well as handy inside pockets. I read other reviews by those who griped because the hood snapped on instead of zipped, but that isn't really a point of concern for us as the hood will rarely be removed. I think it is well-designed and funtional for what it is, which is a garment to provide major core and head warmth while walking or standing, but not something to be worn for high impact activities. Some pit zips might have been nice for a little ventilation, but not a big deal.
Since I was standing next to my husband on a -16 (without windchill) morning on the tour we did in Yellowstone immediately after Christmas and freezing my butt off in my short down jacket after hours of looking for wolves, I began looking for a similar parka in a women's style after we arrived home. However from what I can see, most gear makers refuse to believe that women actually prefer functionality over style. I ended up purchasing the same jacket in a men's small. I look like a tank, but the last few mornings when it's been -18 in southwest Montana, I don't feel the cold on my way to work. Can't wait to wear it on my next winter tour in February! Good parka!
A little more info: the outer shell fabric of the jacket is made with Conduit SL. This is a fabric that utilizes Mountain Hardwear's proprietary waterproof/breathable laminate... Conduit. So, the fabric is waterproof but the construction of the jacket is not. We call it 'highly water resistant'. If you are looking for a waterproof down jacket... check out the Synchronicity Jacket or the Absolute Zero Jacket both from Mountain Hardwear. Hope this helps!
Down Jackets usually are not waterproof, rather they are water resistant meaning that they can stand up to a mist or light drizzle. Down turns to "pancake batter" in the rain and is useless when wet.
By far it is the must have in any real mountaineers gear bag! this guy never climbed mr or any other mountain because the jacket is the nicest in every way and I have tried them all!! unless you want to go but mh hs they run 1,000.00 so buy it where it love go nuts!!! I am 5'8 160 lbs and I got a large so it will fit over layers! it is loose but good loose!!!
This so-called mountaineering parka is a huge boondoggle. Here's why:
1. The snap on hood comes detached easily and will rip the fabric around the snaps. The gaps cause a draft to blow in in high winds.
2. The down will become very thin around the inside of the arms and you will feel it.
3. The waist drawcord doesn't wrap entirely around your waist and you will no doubt feel a draft blow through. (what idiot came up with this design).
4. The zippers are a royal pain in the ass...pocket zippers get snagged constantly and the main zipper is a real pisser to get started.
5. The stuffsack is a bit small and it's a pain to get the darn thing into it.
The parka is worth maybe $100.00, and that might be too much. On the plus side, it looks great in the orange and black color and the fleece lined pockets are warm. Please don't buy this if you want a hassle free time trying to deal with it in bitter cold environments.
LOVE IT!!! Warm from 40 degrees to -20, this coat is like wearing a cloud of warmth. This is tractable and not too puffy and it even fits into a small little pouch it comes with. It's great for traveling and packing as a primary or secondary coat and when packed away, it takes up no more room than a 2-litre bottle of soda (but with much less weight). Literally like a sleeping bag and with plenty of pockets, this down coat is definitely something I would suggest to anybody. No Cons what-so-ever!
I just received my Jungle green parka and its a fantastic piece of gear. I read numerous complaints about the hood using snaps to attach to the parka and was a bit concerned. The latest design for 2010 is now using a zipper system instead of snaps. It makes the hood very secure and draft-free. Love it! Sizing tip: Im 6ft, 210 pound, 45 chest, 36 waist and the large is a great fit with plenty of room for extra layers.
Is there really that big of a difference between the parka and the jacket version? I'm asking because there are a lot more complaints in the reviews for the parka version concerning the material tearing, the hood and zippers. I was originally under the impression the only real difference between the two is the length before really reading the reviews.
Answer for joh3343548: Hi there! I own the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parka, and have seen the Mt. Hardwear Subzero Jacket. Here are your answers: 1) The material(s) on both are the same! 2) The Parka is simply warmer - since it is longer and covers more or your body. (Obviously in very cold/frigid weather, if the areas below your waist is covered, as is the case with the parka, you will be warmer. Conclusion: The Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL Parka is a better choice if you want to be warm, and who doesn't!! So to joh3343548 and everyone else who is thinking of buying a Mountain Hardwear jacket or parka - the best choice is the Mountain Hardwear Subzero SL Parka!! You will all be happier if you make this your wiser choice!
The only difference between the Parka and the Jacket are a couple of pockets and the overall length itself. The material package is exactly the same between the Jacket and the Parka. Not sure why there are more issues with the Parka over the jacket. It must nothing more than a coincidence...
The zipper need to be worked out, I suggest a large tooth ykk with a tether on both zippers so that one can grab with gloves or mitts. This can be changed by clipping the tag off and using some small cordage to fix the issue.
The jacket is due for an update in Fall '11. We are already well past the development schedule for Fall '10. In the mean time if you are operating in -40+ temps... you might be happier with the Absolute Zero Parka :
ME: 6' 215' 34 Waist. I got the Large and it fits well. The XL would have been WAY too big.
I LOVE THIS PARKA! I live in Minnesota and it's been very cold lately, this 'Beast' never lets me down.
I hear what some people are saying about the main zipper being somewhat difficult to operate, but it really only happens when the zipper is under pressure from the bottom drawstring. If you release the easy to operate drawstring before you zip it up, it works fine. It just took a few days to get into the habit.
For standing/sitting around in urban areas or in base camp, this jacket is fine and seems like it will keep you warm. If you intend on going thru any brush (or rubbing up against objects with even dull points or portruding angles), forget it--the material is too thin and will puncture or tear. Sizing seems large-I'm 6'3" and 200 lbs. and an XL was way too big (though sleeve length was about right). Not sure how the L would fit--probably fine in the chest and sleeves too short. I returned it due to the flimsy material.
Exactly as advertised. In short...light weight, warm, and comfortable to wear. Back in October 2009 I had a premonition that this was going to a record setting winter and decided to upgrade my old parka. Tried all the leading brands but decided to buy the Mountain Hardwear Subzero Parka based on reviews. Absolutely the right choice for my needs. As it turned out, the Southeastern Pennsylvania region has just set new records for temperatures and snowfall amounts and we still have 40% of out snowfall season left. The attached picture was taken after digging out of two Nor'easters that dumped over 40 inches of snow paralyzing the Boston to Washington DC corridor. For those who have asked...I am 6' and 185# and the Large Parka fits perfectly keeping me warm and dry in blizzard conditions as well as being comfortable while driving and performing outdoor routine tasks. Worth the price. Cannot comment on its use in extreme high altitude conditions it certainly performed well in the challenging weather we recently experienced. No issues with the hood in 40+ mph winds. I highly recommend.
so is this super water resistent, or waterproof? the reviews and everything else seem great, but I don't want to be 13k up when it starts to rain, only to find out it's not waterproof.
I wouldn't say it's GoreTex pro shell waterproof but it is still really good.....especially for a down jacket. To make it much more waterproof you can use Nikwax's down proof wash-in. That stuff works awesome with this jacket and will make your trips up high much less stressful when the gnarly clouds roll in.-----------------------This jacket is not waterproof and definitely not a rain jacket. It is made with a Conduit SL laminate in the fabric but the seams are NOT taped. So, waterproof fabric... not waterproof construction. Typically when it is really cold out it isn't that wet so we built this jacket with that in mind. If it is raining and you are wearing this jacket... you'll be cooking! I would call this jacket highly weather resistant not waterproof. If you are looking for a more waterproof version check out the Absolute Zero Jacket from Hardwear! It is even warmer than this if you can imagine and all the seams are welded. Hope this helps!
I have been a die hard North Face fan, before TNF even became fashionable. I was looking for a new jacket to replace my Nuptse 800 limited, but couldn't find a TNF style with the features I wanted at I price I was happy with. I have always been interested in Mountain Hardware gear, but never purchased any. This is my first. I have to say it has quickly become my favorite cold weather coat. And if you think the flannel lined pockets are just a gimmick, you haven't experienced them, they are awesome! This coat is just plain cozy. I have worn it in ice storms, -20 below wind chill weather and I could swear that is was 80 out. I may never by another North Face coat again. Mountain Hardware, you have a new customer for a long time.
How does the sizing of MH Sub Zero compare with North Face?I purchased a McMurdo Parka in XXL and it is to large but the XL is very snug. I am an unfit 5'10" and 245 Lbs with 44 waist. Hard to fit.
Hi dme2811275, I think I can suggest the proper size for you. It would be an Extra Large in the M Hardwear Subzero SL Parka. Reason is your weight. I am 5 ft 10 inches and 160 lbs and wear a large. It is comfortable at my weight and roomy! However, at your weight an Extra Large is a must. I believe you will find it appropriately roomy! I also think a double XL would be too big for you. Trust me on this. I own a few of the Mt. Hardwear Subzero SL parkas, so I know about its size. Good luck!
Iam Currently in Kazakhstan, and when I arrived in Aktobe it was -27 c, and my baggage has been lost in transit. However I did pack this coat and the compressor pants in my carry on luggage and it is all I have got at the moment. The coat is super warm and the pants the same, they are just great and at the moment saving my life.
I bought both the SL parka and the SL down jacket-- kept the parka and LOVE IT! If I had a jacket like this when I grew up in Buffalo NY winters, I might never have left!
Why not 5 stars? I don't like the two chest pockets, the asthetics of the black/red, and they could have put some soft fleece where the top of collar hits my neck when zippered. Not much else to knock!
I'm 6'0, 170lbs, what size should I get? Basically this will be my nighttime dog-walking coat. I live in Boulder, CO right next to the foothills -- very, very windy so I want to keep the drafts out. thanks.
this is the best jacket that I have ever owned. incredibly light and warm. I live in melbourne Australia the temperature does not fall below zero, so its nearly too warm, but I love wearing it it is very comfy and it is like wearing a doona. It is also very waterproof.
Very nive and very warm. The parka is a longer lenght than the jackert and works better for warmth; the zipper is fine and works great; the pockets are great; the hood is very nice and had no problems with the snaps; and the jack is very well made and is very nice!
Great parka. I had to exchange it for a larger size after following the guidance of another review. The review that says this jacket is "great for fat people" and has enough room to zip it over his bent legs is spoofing us. This is an "over everything" parka, and it needs some space, but it's just right in line with the Marmot size guides. Don't order it to "skin size" because you will not have room to move. I especially like the inside pockets!
This is the only parka you will ever need,had it on at 1:00am in 50mph winds,snow and freezing rain never got cold or wet,it is very well constructed and very very warm, best buy i have made in years.
Let me start out by saying I am generally a fan of mountain hardwear products. I have, however, been consistently dissapointed by their down coats. The zub zero parka is pretty nice but has design flaws in that the fabric inside the jacket always get caught in the zippers. It's also pretty bulky. I ended up getting a 900 fill down coat from a local manufacturer that is going to work better for about the same price. Don't get me wrong, mountain hardwear gear is bomber but for my needs, 650 down in a house sized parka with zippers that always jam is not going to cut it.
I love this jacket! The Parka looks good for a puffy jacket. I bought the parka because it is longer and I heard that the jacket version has a tendency to lift above the waist when hands are raised in the air. Not a problem with the parka. I have had no problems with the fabric in anyway (although I do not scrape the jacket against jagged edges or wear it while playing contact sports). It appears to actually be water proof from my tests (I couldn't imagine wearing this jacket in temperatures above 25ºF anyway). The hood is great. I have no complaints about the zipper. I have done away with layering when walking around town as a T-shirt and the jacket keep me warm to 10ºF. With long Johns and a fleece underneath I bet I would be comfortable to -20ºF. With in the first few days of using the parka I notice some down emerging from the fabric, but since the initial half a dozen feathers have come out the problem has ceased. I hope the Parka holds up against the test of time and keeps me warm for many winter to come.
this is the best suit i own,have had it 2 years now and it still looks new, has held up great just wish they had put a bigger zipper on the pants the parker you cant beat so warm it is unreal pants too,i give mountain hardwear A+ on this one
Used my Mountain Hardwear Sub Zero Jacket for the first time on a remote 4000 foot mountain in the Adirondacks. It stormed on our approach in and we had 30 to 40 mph winds during the climb the next day. Due to the storm and lack of ice on the face, we had to do a snow climb with continuous post holing. I wore my parka while setting up camp and was amazed how warm it kept my core, allowing me to use my hands without gloves for several minutes at a time. I also wore the parka the entire time we climbed the next day over my shell. I was concerned from another review about perspiration management but this was not an issue. I simply regulated my temperature by opening the zipper Also, going with the parka versus the sub zero jacket was a wise choice for winter camping, belaying, and winter climbing.
Not good enough on its own.------------------------------This is one of the warmest jackets that we make. The only jacket warmer would be the Absolute Zero Jacket. If you were to wear it with other layers underneath it would be fine. I have experienced that sort of cold in Montana. Actually it was more like a -50 considering windchill. -20+ ambient air temp... brrrrr
I have used this parka mostly for work purposes all over Greenland these past two months, which involves a lot of stationary work and some trekking. I chose this over the North Face McMurdo mainly because of weight issues, compactability and more downfill. And I didn't want to spend Canada Goose money.
The good: -Very warm -Lightweight -Very compactable -Outer layer is water resistent -Plenty of pockets -Affordable
The bad: -Outer layer is ultra sensitive to sharp edges and hooks. I have already ripped it three times in two months. -Pocket zippers get stuck on fabric, which is very annoying -Hood attachment is somewhat flimsy. My hood blew off the buttons in +30m/s winds -No Zippered back-of-arm vents
Also get the parka instead of the jacket if you plan to use it in arctic conditions.
BTW. the size was just perfect. XXL for 6'6", 240 pounds.
very nice jacket for the money.Very warm.only complaint is the zipper is a little tricky getting started\almost seems likenot enough material between zipper teeth and edge of coat so touugh to grab.otherwise excellent and will use often
I just received my parka and noticed that the two-way zipper is a bear. Almost always, the top zipper does not sit directly or firmly on top of the second bottom zipper, leading to a misalignment of the zipper each time you zip up. Have there been issues with this design?? It does not look like the zipper is broken, but instead that the bottom of the two zippers is simply an upside down version of the top (a little larger) allowing for the two-way zipping. It seems there is too much play in the double zipper design as you feed the amle end of the zipper through the top and bottom zippers. It is very hard to hold both zippers at the absolute bottom of the jacket's zippeer and align them so that the feed is proper. What am I missing? I'm trying to decide whether to return the jacket.
We have been using two way zippers like this for years. The zippers are YKK zippers that many different companies use in the industry and they are not unique to Mountain Hardwear. I have had some jackets in the passed with troublesome zips but they just took a little to get used to. They were not defective. Also, some zippers break in a little with use. This may help. And when nature calls in the wilderness.. you will appreciate them!-----I think I see what you mean about the zipper, but it's not a defect. All my double zipper jackets have been like this (tnf, mt hw, marm). They should line up so the top zipper actually feels a little "off" (slanted inward toward the zipper line it's on), and not straight-up-and-down on top of the bottom zipper. Feels weird at first, but works every time once you're used to it. As Jon said, standard high-quality YKK. Don't return it.
When I bought this in the winter of 2007/2008, the product descriptions advertised a zippered hood. Apparently the information applied to earlier versions, and I had problems coping with the snap-on hood, fall off hood. It kept blowing part way off in the zero degree gusts, and I wound up tying stay cords at every snap to keep it in place. Now, I have a slightly leaky fixed hood because of the gaps between the snaps, instead of a solidly zippered removable hood. Had I noticed before I roughed up the parka, I would have returned it. But I was in the backcountry when it really counted, and discovered the hood was not reliably attached. Now, I'm stuck, because there is no way to remedy this circumstance. I don't have budget for a "spare" heavy down parka, and I'm going to have to live with it. I've purchased little from MH since then, because I can't trust their gear any more. It's warm overall, but the hood is a critical disappointment.
I'm 5'10" 165lbs with a 32" waist and 42-43 chest. I am right b/w the M and L on the sizing chart. Which size should I get? DO these run large, small or true?
This coat rules. Kept me toasty in single digit weather with 50 mph wind gusts in the Colorado mountains. The snaps on the hood hold in place fine. Not sure how some have reported the hood to blow off. Unless you're in a hurricane, it should hold fine. This coat is worth every penny.
A year ago I bought Mountain Hardwear's 800 loft jacket. Warm, but short enough in length that it has a tendency to ride up and leave that cold spot at the waistline. I wanted a high-quality down parka that would last for the next 20 years and Mountain Hardwear had already proven to me they had perfected construction and design in specific niches. This item is no different. The baffle construction assures that there are no cold spots, the length allows the parka to drop low enough to cover the round of your ass and keep it warm. The sleeves are finished with the proper velcro flaps to tighten to perfect comfort without having elastic controlling the opening. Double drawstrings allow it to be tightened at the bottom to keep out draft and further compartmentalize the torso from any draft by cinching it up a little more at the waist. This waistline drawstring also allows for a somewhat tapered look, rather than appearing to be wearing a tent. You'll pay for this one, but you'll get a parka that you'll wear for a couple decades and be warm every bit of the time. Dont' scrimp when buying something like this; pay the little extra it takes to get the best construction and the coat you'll be happy with for decades. You'll be happy that you did.
My concern is with the snap-on removable hood for the Sub Zero SL Down Parka by MH. Many customers have expressed their dissatisfaction with the snap-on hood due to the nature of the beast (encourages tearing around the snaps, allows for air to seep in between the snaps, and is easily blown off in strong winds) and these are my concerns as well. I am a collge student who does not have $250 to blow on a down jacket that has all of these flaws. I know that the Sub Zero SL Down Jacket has a removable hood which zips on, but I want the parka due to it's increased length for winter sports. My question is: how big of a problem is the snap-on hood OVERALL? and if I purchase this parka now (Dec. 08) will MH "improve" this design and include a zip off hood in Jan. 09? Thanks for any feedback.
I think if it works for Ed Viesturs it will do just fine around campus.-------------------------------------------The reason the hood snaps on is because the RMI Guides on Rainer requested it. The zip-off hoods were coming un-zipped and blowing away in the wind. The snap on hoods don't un-zip! I hope it is not to big of a problem because I don't believe it is changing anytime soon... Thanks!
I spoke with many gearheads before deciding on the MH Sub Zero SL Parka. i needed somelthing for around town use with occasional below zero temps. I'm getting colder mofre easily and more frequently as I age and always bought cheap jackets in teh past. this is my first quality down jacket, the on sale price was surprisingly not much more that what I've bought at big box stores all my life for cheap polyester jackets. my compliments to all of the knowledgeable and helpful gearheads, especially Corey P. I initially ordered a medium with layering mind but found it a little big. I tried on a small and found it had a much better fit with our without layering. It's sized according to the chart so I wouldn't recommend larger than what you usually wear. All in all it exceeded my expectations. I've had no problems with zippers or snaps but I don't use it under mountaineering conditions, in town only. I highly recomment this jacket, especially when on sale around 60 bucks less than list price. it truely is like a good fitting toasty sleeping bag.
Picked this parka up on sale and glad I did. Yea the zipper can be a bit hinky but that is mainly because of the length, and the snaps on the hood could have been a zipper but those are minor. It's warm, light weight looks good for around town, and great for my winter backcountry outings. For the price, I am more than satisfied.
Here is a link to MH SIZING CHARTShttp://www.mountainhardwear.com/images/sizingUS.pdfI39;m 6'3" & wear a large but you also want to consider your chest measurement & sleeve length.
It's a good parka in general. Warm, waterproof, reinforcement at key areas. The lengh is just right, enough to cover my butt. Originally i'd get a subzero jacket. but i know it might be too short from reviews, so i get this parka. The only problem is that i found a little down 'escaping' sometimes, especially in the two pockets. The main zipper is fine when you learn how to operate it.
Minor beefs: Yes, the zippers can be a bit frustrating but actually I haven't had too many problems with them. If you have the hem cinched up tight the main zipper can be very difficult to get started. I haven't tested the hood in windy conditions but its a great shape and doesn't obstruct my vision even when tightened down. I wish MH had put the waist draw cord the whole way around to the front. It's annoying to have to reach in behind your back to tighten. It also tends to leave a bit of air flow up the front.
Major Beef: The inside of the collar is not lined with soft fuzzy material which means that when its done all the way up you get a chapped chin. I am going to sew in some light fleece.
Now having said all that.... I LOVE the jacket. I live in Aspen and it gets used pretty much every day. In town, on the mountain, and hanging outside in the Backcountry. Great value!
True to size. I am 5-10 and 195 and the large is perfect. Long enough to cover the butt, thick enough to be warm--we live in NE Wyoming and it has been as low as -30 so far this winter. Also is compact enough so that you don't look like the Michelin Man. good enough tat my wife has ordered the men's small. Finally, it really does breathe so that when you come inside (store, car etc.) you don't have to immediately strip.
Got this on my old ski team. Phenomenal for those cold mtn days and biting winds. It insulates better than my patagucci down jacket, and doesn't have moisture issues b/c of the synthetic insulation. I've worn it skiing in -20 w/o any problems. I esp lke the removable hood for ease of use. Plus, the jacket tail extends to my rear, keep more of my body warm for long chair lifts. The jacket material is rip-stop, and sheds wet snow and light precip w/o problems. I wouldn't say waterproof, but then again mine is an older model. Summary: warm, functional, wind and water resistant, rip-proof, lots of pockets. A+
Got this in Nov. 2008, within weeks, Chicago weather dropped down to 10 degrees in the morning. My 15 minutes walking commute couldn't be warmer. With my hood on, after 10 minutes walk my back actually begin to sweat and I needed to unzip a little to stay cool.
Looking forward to try it out on -15 degree mornings...
Hope this parker will keep it's warm for years to come,my other down jackets become less warm once the down get compressed and weighted down to the bottom.
Very warm parka, well designed. Down is compartmentalized and does not shift for the most part. Well insulated zippers. The hook and loop closure on the arms and over the zipper is easy to adjust with mits on. This jacket compresses well and has held its loft so far (~15 trips, 1 year). Primary uses: (very) cold weather belaying, alpine regions, winter camping, etc. I would consider this jacket overkill if you are using it in weather above -15 C (i.e., you WILL sweat). I have to disagree with "sman's" commment: This jacket is not that tough and is very easily torn on sharp edges/rock/ice-tools. Overall: excellent quality and value if you are in a very cold-weather climate.
It keeps you so warm that I don't feel the cold at 20 F with slight wind. I was laughing when everyone around me show they're cold while I walk around like the summer time. If anything were to happen to this parka, i'd simply buy another one. It's very good. Had a great deal with backcountry for only $236 shipped.
I love my Parka. Just what I was looking for. Longer than a down jacket and it has down hood to keep your head warm and toasty. I would like it to zip out as advertised, but it still works fine. The parka is lightweight and yet keeps the cold out. The stuff pack is great for traveling. Wish I bought this years ago.
Great Parka. Light weight, but really does the job. I like the extra length over a jacket for extra warmth. Although the hood is not zipped in as claimed, it still does a very nice job. When you purchase the parka you get a stuff bag which is nice for traveling. All in all, just a great parka. Should have bought it years ago.
I purchased the Mountain Hardware Sub Zero SL Parka specifically for a high-altitude mountain climb (Aconcagua) and although it was warm enough, it did not perform as expected. I wore it briefly a few times at Camp 1 and Camp 2, and all day on Feb 12, 2008 (summit day).
Although it was quite warm, poor design/ construction revealed itself in several very disappointing / annoying ways: 1) The main zipper was very hard to get started. It required a lot of struggling to get the zipper started. In the early morning of summit day, I had to remove my outer gloves and fiddle for a long time with just thin polypro liner gloves in extremely cold conditions before I could get the zipper started properly. Plus the zipper is metal. This seems like a good recipe for frostbite. An unreliable main zipper is a fatal flaw for a climbers parka 2) During the climb, the zips on two or three of the pockets snagged on the fabric backing that runs along the zipper just due to normal operation (opening and closing the pockets). It was too cold to mess with them, so I left them in the snagged / half-closed state until I returned to high camp. I later found that I had to operate the zippers very slowly to prevent snagging 3) The removable hood needs a different, more secure attachment system. At one point after a brief rest stop, I put my pack back on and realized that the hood was trapped between my pack and my back. I pulled on the hood and it started to detach, being held only by a few snaps. In summary, the jacket was a hassle the entire day. I think it needs significant revisions to meet the needs of high-altitude mountain climbing. It is less expensive than some other parkas, such as the North Face one, but in retrospect, the savings were not worth it. I returned this item.
che2885269 you are correct, the hood on the Sub Zero is removeable, with snaps. i have been doing so much research on parkas that i had confused the attached hood on the Absolute Zero parka with detachable one on the Sub Zero.
D.Brumfield: I was under the impression that the hood was permanently attached on the parka, but i was wrong. I recently got a parka and found that the hood was removable. You can tell if it is a parka because the front hand pocket openings are horizontal instead of more vertical. Maybe this is a difference in model years...
norris, just a note of clarity: if you had a removable hood, then you most likely had the Sub Zero "Jacket" and not the Parka (which has a permanently attached hood). The zipper issues aside--which would ruin anyone's climbing day, the SZ Jacket was not really designed for more extreme high altitude applications. The SZ Parka, however, is. Also, Mountain Hardwear's Absolute Zero gear, with 800-fill, is what you'll find on many climbers attempting more extreme conditions in high altitude climbs. But, MH is a really good company that thrives on user feedback and I'm sure they'd appreciate your input regarding the issues that you had on Aconcagua. I'd encourage you to pass on your issues to them. Good luck on your next climbs!
This parka has a snap-on hood -just right for letting draughts up the back of your head. I expected a zip-on hood for the price. Even the tags that come with it say it has a zip on hood. The other thing is that in my experience the snaps will fail- either the material tears or the snap button will distort making it impossible to secure the point. If you have 300 bucks, spend it on a different parka.
I'd forgotten how warm a good down parka could be. Really does the trick on those cold mornings when I am walking the dogs before the sun comes up. I really like that the hood can be adjusted for the tightness of the fit. Only complaint is that it lacks vertical slit handwarmer pockets. Overall very pleased.
Super coat that is fireplace warm. Runs a little big but this does allow extra layers to be worn-but you won't need any extra layers with this baby. Hood is excellent. I bought this for Antarctica expedition and I think it will be plenty warm. Now if I could just get my feet that warm!
Also have the Subzero Jacket and have taken it on a few trips, but was always left wanting in really freakin cold weather. The Subzero Parka leaves nothing out. Ultra warm with plenty of length to handle longer bodies (6'2") even when stooping to light a camp stove. The hood is amazing. I've never been this warm. Is like wearing a sleeping bag.
i loved it because it was so lightweight and warm, but hated it because one of the 2 outer materials (the one that runs down your shoulders) attracts so much dust, hair, and animal fur that it drove me crazy.
Best jacket I've ever owned. I love the Tiger color. Been out in a cold wet rain, about 34 degrees, steady rain, stayed warm and dry. The hood is excellent. Nice deep pockets. Highly recommended.. this sites service is top notch. I get comments all the time on this jacket, like " you going to Alaska, or what". Or "that jacket sure looks warm".
I had one of these for 5 years. It was by far the best jacket I've ever owned. Then it wore out and disaster - they don't sell them in the UK anymore! Had to import one from the US AND pay shipping, VAT and import duty, which added a further $120 and I'm still very happy. It really is that good.