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Mountain Hardwear Lamina -30 Sleeping Bag: -30 Degree Thermic CF - 2009 BCS

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Lamina -30 Sleeping Bag: -30 Degree Thermic CF
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For expeditions to the world’s harshest and most unforgiving climates, the Mountain Hardwear Lamina -30 Sleeping Bag provides massive amounts of heat without cold spots thanks to welded construction and lofty Thermic Micro insulation. An extra-wide mummy cut gives you room to move when the weather has you hunkered down.

  • Thermic Micro synthetic insulation insulates when wet and lofts up better than traditional synthetics
  • Welded construction replaces the need for sewn seams to eliminate cold spots
  • Durable nylon shell has a DWR coating to shed condensation and light moisture
  • Face gasket and tailored hood seal in warmth

Bottom Line: A furnace-like bag for unimaginable cold.

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Do anyone know what the comfort temperature this sleeping bag

Do anyone know what the comfort temperature this sleeping bag have for women?

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January 22, 2010

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I might not be able to use a warm water bottle in it, as I am going to use it for camping in the Arctid (Svalbard). But I read some reviews that this wasn´t the best bag for high altitude camping anyway, so I just have to keep on looking for a good bag...

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January 27, 2010

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Are you asking if the temperature rating for this bag is different for women than for men? If so, the answer is no - temperature ratings are not gender-specific. However, there are many women-specific bags which are shorter and shaped differently. The goal is to minimize the volume of air that your body has to warm up inside the sleeping bag. I'm noticing that the regular length for this bag is 78 inches/194 cm which is typically a long length (the mountain hardwear website shows the same information). If you are shorter, you might consider other sleeping bags which are typically offered in 66 inches (5 foot 6 inches) and 72 inch (6 foot lengths). The additional advantage to getting a close-fitting sleeping bag besides thermal efficiency is that the bag will pack down smaller in your backpack.

Note that for cold weather sleeping bags, you might want a little extra length to allow for a water bottle with hot water to be kept down at your feet; its a pretty common mountaineering/winter camping trip to help warm up.

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January 22, 2010

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Rating for this product: 3

Inexpensive, decent bag that's short on loft

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January 2, 2010

This bag is decently made, adequately detailed, but short on loft. It's also quite heavy and bulky.

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I do a lot of snowshoeing and winter camping in the Colorado

I do a lot of snowshoeing and winter camping in the Colorado Rockies. Why wouldn't a synthetic bag rated at -30 not be sufficient in negative temps? I used the Lamina last week in a snowcave and 4 season tent (both times in a bivy) and woke up freezing. The temps got down to -12 but I thought in a -15 bag I would have been ok. Is down the way to go? I was told down was the worst option for winter camping because it could get wet from snow and fail to retain warmth, I just want guidance on the best option for winter warmth in snowcave/tent as well as cut back on space/weight.

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January 15, 2010

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Synthetics for damp conditions, down for dry conditions. High altitude and cold climates are typically drier, so down is preferable. Down bags also last longer because synthetic fills (like thermic micro) degrade faster.

As far as staying warm while sleeping in the Rockies: the sleeping bag is only one part of your sleep system. Your sleeping pad is every bit as important as the bag you're in. Closed cell foam pads are cheap, lightweight, waterproof, versatile (can be used as splints, seats, emergency sleds, etc.) warm, and indestructible but they are bulky and not very well padded (check out a ridgerest). Insulated air mattresses are more comforatble, more expensive, pack down smaller, can leak/rip which makes them useless, are typically heavier, and require more care (I use the downmat 9).

Clothing is equally important. Companies rate their bags based on different assumptions about what the sleeper is wearing.

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January 30, 2010

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Colorado is generally a lot "drier" of snow than other places. Generally you need to manage your internal moisture more there than exterior moisture. Don't go to bed with too much clothing or you'll just sweat and wake up hours later moist and freezing. And if you don't need to don't curl up in your bag totally zipped up with the hood cinched tight.
Did you build your snowcave correctly? It shouldn't be that cold inside, the sleeping area should be a bit above the entrance to get the full protection of one.

If you are hiking a bit to camp I'd get a down bag. If you are camping by the road or in your backyard go with a cheaper and bulkier synthetic.

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January 22, 2010

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When looking at the temperature ratings for sleeping bags you need to keep in mind that there is no standard that defines what a 0 degree bag is vs a -10 degree bag vs -20, etc.... There are plenty of reasons for this, but one thing for sure is that different people need different amounts of insulation to sleep comfortably at different temperatures - there's lots of variables at play here. As for the difference between synthetic and down bags, I think the accurate statement is that if you have a down bag and a synthetic bag that both weigh the same amount, the down bag will be warmer and pack down smaller than the synthetic bag. It is certainly possible to make synthetic bags that are warm down to the same temperature rating as the warmest down bags, but they will be heavy and bulky.

As you point out, down bags do have their drawbacks because, once wet, down loses its loft and no longer provides any warmth. Its necessary to take many precautions when using down sleeping bags (such as lining the stuff sack with a trash compactor bag to keep water out). Honestly, I've never slept in a snowcave, so I'm not sure how safe it is to use a down bag in this situation. There are down bags though that have waterproof shells - Mountain Hardwear makes a few; other companies use materials such as GoreWindstopper or Epic which are highly water resistant.

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January 22, 2010

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Rating for this product: 3

a decent middle winter option

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June 25, 2009

This is a pretty nice bag for the money. The synthetic fibers do a pretty good job all in all when it comes to retaining body heat in your average winter temps.(keep in mind that often times that the ratings on synthetic bags are often lower than what they're listed as) It works particularly well in wetter rainy weather, and the bag is really one of the most comfortable I've ever used. but as the previous reviewer mentioned, I don't think I'd want to take this one on very many winter trips to higher altitudes. While I've been an advocate for Mountain Hardwear gear over the years, there are better winter sleeping bags out there. This bag is extremely bulky and doesn't compress very well at all, not to mention it is heavier than the average backpacker would like to carry. For these reasons, the lamina gets 3 stars from me. I like this bag very much for local camping trips during the winter where I'm not backpacking in, but that's about all the use this bag gets from me. My personal favorite is the North Face Hightail 15 degree down bag, down is usually the warmest option anyways.

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By: Backcountry.com Vendor Rep
October 15, 2009

Good review. We also make Down Bags as well from the -40 Ghost... to the Phantom 45 which, as the review mentions, are more compressible and lighter weight overall... check em out!

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I want a bag that will allow me to sleep in my car during harsh

I want a bag that will allow me to sleep in my car during harsh winter nights is this the one for me?

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October 14, 2009

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ice climbing and mountaineering trips on the cheap leave you sleeping in the car A LOT. my advice, for an in car sleeping bag, is to go with a synthetic, not a down. It's cheaper, better when wet, and you're not concerned with weight or bulk. Unlike tents, cars don't breathe. In cold weather you'll wake up with a layer of frost over everything in the car which will get things wet when you turn the heat on. This happens even in dry climates because of exhaled moisture. As long as it's not dumping snow, you can leave the windows open (1 person in the car = 4 windows each 1/4 down; 2 people in the car = 4 windows 1/2 down) and you should be good.

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January 30, 2010

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A -30 down bag will cost you $600 or more. If you are using it in the car, the extra weight and space does not matter. I would not carry this bag. If you are just going to use it in a car, then get it. You can't beat the price.

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November 15, 2009

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why this and not down filled? i want the warmest thing for super cold camping

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November 12, 2009

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I don't think you would need something quite like this, since you are out of the wind and are off the ground, but you will be hard pressed to find a bag suited for colder conditions. A -30F bag is about as warm as they come. You might want to consider a down bag, since they are warmer, and take up less space, which might be a plus on a longer trip. You won't be getting it too wet in the car, so down seems like a better option.

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October 14, 2009

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Rating for this product: 3

Great for the price

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June 10, 2009

I took this bag on a particularly cold wet night up in the Tetons in mid May, I was plenty warm and the bag breathed well...didn't get that clammy feeling you get with some bags. However, I am a little apprehensive about taking it into the mountains in the winter with sub-zero temps.

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What size compression sack is compatible with this bag... in

What size compression sack is compatible with this bag... in terms of liters?

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September 7, 2009

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12L or the large size will fit but a bit tight. 16L or the extra large size will give you a little more room for a few extra things to be compressed.

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September 15, 2009

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This is a synthetic bag! Why is it with the Down bags? Hopefully

This is a synthetic bag! Why is it with the Down bags? Hopefully someone sees this and fixes it.

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March 4, 2009

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Thanks for the catch George. A note has been sent to the powers that be to shift it over to the synthetic bags... sorry.

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March 4, 2009

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Item: MHW1195

2009 Model No Longer Available

We have a lot more 0 to -40 Degree Synthetic Bags than that

0 to -40 Degree Synthetic Bags

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Inexpensive, decent bag that's short on loft

3 star rating

By: C Johnson January 2, 2010

This bag is decently made, adequately detailed, but short on loft. It's also quite heavy and bulky. more...

a decent middle winter option

3 star rating

By: Justin Buckles June 25, 2009

This is a pretty nice bag for the money. The synthetic fibers do a pretty good job all in all when it comes to retaining body heat in your average winter more...

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Material:
[Shell] 40D micro ripstop nylon; [Lining] 40D polyester taffeta 
Insulation:
Thermic Micro 
Shape:
Mummy 
Draft Collar:
Yes 
Max User Height:
[Reg] 78in (194cm); [Long] 84in (213cm) 
Shoulder / Hip / Foot Circumference:
[Reg] 64/ 60 / 40in ( 163 / 152 / 102cm); [Long] 66 / 62 / 42in (168 / 157 / 107cm) 
Stuff Size:
10 x 17in (25 x 48cm) 
Stuff or Storage Sack:
Both 
Degree:
-30F (-34C) 
Weight:
[Reg] 5lb 9oz (2.5kg); [Long] 5lb 13oz (2.7kg) 
Recommended Use:
Mountaineering, winter camping 
Manufacturer Warranty:
Lifetime 
Country of Origin:
China