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Show, don't tell.

A big-mountain hoss like the Moment Night Train doesn't care much for formal introductions or idle chit chat; it just wants to destroy powder. So don't go asking it about its rockered tip and tail, or how its flat-camber, 123mm underfoot provides more stability for your ride than Germany's economy does for the Euro zone. Sure, while slashing the steeps or hitting that big booter, you might be tempted to ask the Night Train what about its carbon-fiber stringers make its already bomber wood core even lighter and stiffer. All we can say is, don't do it; unless, that is, you like lookin' for trouble.
  • Twin rocker profile matches a flat underfoot with an early rise tip and tail for excellent flotation and maneuverability in variable snow and powder
  • Aspen and pine core provides a strong flex, a lively rebound, without being unnecessarily heavy
  • Carbon fiber stringers help reduce weight and adds durability
  • Sidewall construction enhances durability and increases stability at high speeds
  • All Moment ski cores are sourced from FSC-certified lumber mills in the US for supply-line consistency and to ensure sustainable harvesting
  • All Moment skis are handmade in Reno, Nevada

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I'm 5'6 and 175 lbs I'm an aggressive skier...

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I'm 5'6 and 175 lbs I'm an aggressive skier 178 be ok

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I am 5'10 and 175, I ski the 186 here in Utah. The 178 might feel small if you are a truly "aggressive" skier.

would these skis be very stiff?

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would these skis be very stiff?

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problably....not much of a question though...is it a weight range thing?

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Im 6'2" and 170 pounds, would i be able to butter these skis easily?

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They are pretty stiff for buttering, unless you are talking off cornices and in soft snow, which isn't really buttering in the true park sense. The Ghost Chant is the real soft pow ski in the Moment lineup and is SUPER easy to smear.

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Rip Rip!

These skis want to go fast. They are super sick and you need to try them. Slaying through a foot of fresh powder or hot-lapping groomers, they do it all! I'm a 5'5" 140lb woman (probably just joining the "advanced" skiing demographic) and I rocked the 186cm Night Trains. The bigger size gave me tons of stability in powder and crub.

I'm about 100lbs and 5'4 very agerresive...

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I'm about 100lbs and 5'4 very agerresive skier looking for a stiff pow ski to land switch on would you reccomend the 168 or the 178.

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178 at least! if you are very aggresive maybe even go 186! as they ski shorter with the early rise tip

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100lbs and 5ft4in? 178 max, the 186 is too big, I don't care how aggressive you are.

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Great Powder Ski

Absolutely blown away with its performance in the powder. 178 with a Tele setup, Hammerheads (boot center -2cm). Its a point and shoot type ski in the powder, but also amazingly fun and playful in the trees. Zero tip or tail hook like I've read in some other reviews. It does fairly well on the groomers, but wouldn't use it on a groomer day, maybe its me but I can't hold a rail like I can with my Moment Ruby's. The rocker makes skiing variable conditions so easy its not even funny, and the no camber under foot helps hold an edge in the hard stuff. A lot of powder skis have more of a continuous rocker with maybe 10"-15" of contact when held together. These seem to have a bit more flat than others, closer to 30", which may help with its performance on hard pack snow. And probably why people have said its now their DD.

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Powder!!!!

I absolutely love this ski and it is amazing. Works the best in the DEEP powder! got 24 inches in 24 hours at Whitefish Mountain Resort on Big Mountain and o my gosh they were amazing!

Hi everybody! my height is 5'6" and I...

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Hi everybody! my height is 5'6" and I consider myself as a intermediate aggressive skier. I use to hit the backcountry when the conditions are nice, but I avoid it when it´s icy, so I want a fat ski, for those generous powder days, that can be stable on groomers at high speeds, so I have my eyes on the Night Train, but I wonder... what is the perfect lenght for me, 168 or 178? and also I have never skied on flat camber... so I wonder how it works compare to traditional camber.

Greetings from Chile!

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i am 5'7" 150 and rode the 178 night trains for a full season last year at snowbird. i would not hesitate to recommend the length of 178. the ski has a forward mount (not quite center) with the flat camber and rocker tip and tail makes these ski short.

they actually rip on groomers for their girth (roll edge to edge really well). as for the flat camber super fun, you can turn on a dime and float with ease. this skis is amazing. cheers.

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POW POW KILLER!!!

26 Feb, 2012.

Last night it snow 17'' here in Whitefish Montana (Big Mountain).. This skiis are the BOMB! BOMB there goes the dynamite and here come the train!!! It floates like non other, handled the groomes (or what you could call them groomers on this day. I had no problem at all on theses skiis! I am big boy, 6'2, 250... and these skiis were a blast rode the 186's. Go forwards, smear them to go backwards with no problem! These skiis are awesome! LOVED EVERY MINUTES ON THEM!! 5 stars!!!

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Yeah That Powder Was Awesome!!!!

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Can't Beat It. No Equal.

This is the ultimate ski when the conditions are anything close to pow or crud. There are a lot of fat, early taper skis out there and a lot of camber/rocker designs to pick from. The keys to the Night Train are: it's super light, and it's 100% FLAT underfoot. No camber. So it NEVER hooks up, never feels sluggish, never dumps you on your ass when that fluffy pillow turns out to be a mogul. Throw it sideways going like a bat out of hell, and it just surfs along with you. Point it through a crud field, and it just floats over all the ruts. Then get out on a nice groomer, and even with a half-ass tune you're putting down trenches like a race coach...and that makes it pretty much a no-brainer.

Has anyone had any experience with either...

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Has anyone had any experience with either the Night Trains or the Bibby Pros as a tele ski?

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Personally... No I do not have any experience, but I am good friends with a few guys that tele on both of those skis. Of the guys I know they prefer the Night Train over the bibby to Tele. With the effective edge moved back from the tip and the tail it is a bit more Loose or floaty than a bibby, which is what I have been told is the reason they prefer it. Hope that helps.

Night Train Base

Night Train Base

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Taken at the Moment factory in Reno, NV

Night Train Topsheet

Night Train Topsheet

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Taken at the Moment factory in Reno, NV

I'm deciding between this and the Bibby...

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I'm deciding between this and the Bibby Pro, anyone want to argue for one or the other? I have last years obsethed which have a fat rocker, how big is tip/tail rocker? Does the flat camber hold well on groomers, between pow lines?

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Hey there, I've skied both extensively, as I work for Moment. Both are great skis, but they do feel different, despite their similar dimensions. In my mind, the bottom line is the Bibby is a more powerful 'charging' type of ski, while the Night Train is a more 'playful' type of ski. That's not to say that each can't do the other, but each is more centered in that category. With traditional camber underfoot, and a stiffer flex, the Bibby rails turns harder and stomps. With a longer rocker profile and more taper in the tips and tails, the Night Train is more slashy/floaty/playful. I hope this helps. For an in-depth comparison, check out this review: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-2012-moment-night-train-186cm

Night Train vs the Chetler? Anyone have...

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Night Train vs the Chetler? Anyone have an opinion or a story?

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Depends what you're interested in doing. The BentChetler is more of a backcountry jib ski. Where the Night Train is more of a big mountain ski. Both have rocker and twin tips, but the BentChetler has more of a center mount, where the Night Train is mounted a little bit further back and is more directional. Both great skis, just different purposes. I will see this though, Moment's build quality and durability is definitely top notch.

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So I have ridden both skis, and I would say that the Night Train is a backcountry jib ski. The main difference between the two is the Night Train is a stiff ski, and is meant to be mounted 5cm back from dead center. However when I mount my Night Trains I put them 2.5 back to still land switch in the pow. However the NT is stiffer and can get after a bit more than the bentchelter.

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haven't skied these but the bentchetlers are super amazing and you wont be disappointed

Has anybody ever center mounted these skis...

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Has anybody ever center mounted these skis or have an opinion on whether it would be a bad idea to center mount?

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The mounting point isn't really that far back from center to begin with. I don't know of anybody who has mounted them at true center. I would imagine that doing that would make them ski really funky, as the spot being pressure during turns isn't the sweet spot/center of the sidecut/turn radius. Keep in mind too that this isn't meant as a backcountry jib ski like the moment bibby or the pb & j. If you are looking into center mounting both of those would be much better options. This is more of a big mountain pow ski.

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First impression

While shopping for a fatski, I rode a few different types of skis. Here are a few that came to mind: the K2 Hellbent, the Moment Comi, and the Moment Ruby. I liked them all in their own way. The Hellbents were super playful and great for chop. The Comi's were also great fun and incredibly stable at high speeds. Finally, the ruby's were a solid mid-fat ski, but not what I was looking for. I wanted something in between the super playful Hellbent and amazingly solid Comi. The Night train fit the bill. With a flat camber and slight rocker of the tip and tail they seem like they'll hold up just fine at high speeds on the hard stuff. But plenty soft and wide enough to play around when mother nature decides to give out free refills. The best part, they're super light! I can't wait to use them.

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Hello, please excuse me for my basic language, I'm french. I like so much Moment skis, so.. not traditionnal shapes and graphics and also good quality, hand made...not in china..... I've got the Comi 192, as Sunn KIM said for a solid ride. I also ride the bent chetler 192 super playfull very backcountry jib skis (I think), good skis but I'm a little bit disappointed because I like to ski at mach speed and the bents are not really good for that, so I was thinking to sell them to buy the Night train but not sure about the 186 cms , a little short, isn't it? I'm 183 cms what is 6', I believe. Any advice for me, please?

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i already have the moment donner partys, would this be two close of a ski or could this be my all mountain ski and leave the deep stuff the man eaters?