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Marmot stuffed the Men's Greenland Baffled Jacket with the highest quality goose down to make winter climbs and below-zero city nights feel as nice as reading a book in front of the fireplace. The Greenland's 800-fill down insulates like crazy. Baffles prevent the feathers from shifting to one spot, and the down-filled draft tube stops cold leaks through the zipper. Marmot's Angel Wing Movement construction lets you use your arms freely, and one of the Greenland Jacket's pockets functions as a stuff sack so you can store this down coat easily in your winter pack.
Bottom Line: When warmth is a matter of survival, stick with Marmot's Greenland Down Jacket.
thomas, I would definitely go with the size medium Greenland Down Jacket. For this type of jacket, you want to have the ability to pull it on over everything, and accommodate all your layers! My down jacket (Sub Zero SL hooded down) fits a little large with no layers underneath, but I'm really glad I have the extra room when it comes time to stop, and pull it on over everything.
Very impressed with this jacket. Excellent warmth to weight ratio. I was concerned that the material might rip while climbing the grey tower at night but stood up to rock climbing very well. The internal packable pocket is very handy as well. Great hood as well.
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Had this jacket for 3 weeks until a baffle ripped while putting it on before going out in a storm.
The jacket is incredible warm, easily good down to sub zero temperatures. Very loft, like being in a cloud. Great cut, long and covers your ass. Hood is HUGE and can impede your peripheral vision if cinched up.
I have last year's model, and truthfully, the zippers are whack. Marmot kindly installed a zipper stiffener and it works beautifully. Cuffs are great, pockets are damn brilliant (really, props to the designer). I imagine this is a perfect static activity jacket in cold climates.
As a belay jacket, it is very packable however it is very delicate. As a casual jacket, it is absurdly warm yet not waterproof. Perfect for SUPER cold and dry environments.
It will be warmer than a MHW Sub Zero SL, TNF Nuptse, Patagonia Fitz Roy and other jackets in the similar price range. (Check out the Mammut Ambler Hoody)
Pros:
- SUPER warm, really. This thing is a furnace. - Very lofty and packable. - Hood goes over most helmets - Great pockets
Cons:
- Very delicate material. Don't get near sharp objects or fire with this thing.
Not in a traditional pocket - but it does stay pretty much stay out of the way when flipped back. Its a full hooded jacket - so the hood is not really meant to stow too far away - if your doing something active with it VS using as a belay jacket, it may be annoying to you at times.
If you want every gram of weight to go to down insulation instead of fabric and features this is the jacket to get. Design and construction is excellent. The other reviewer who said its mediocre is misunderstanding the intent of the design. He said there is no internal baffle; there is an internal baffle as well as an external one and both brilliantly reversed to keep wind from reaching inside. He talks about the Velcro being too weak for high winds...THIS IS NOT A HARDSHELL. It's not a storm jacket, its deep cold insulation to be worn during static situations like sitting around a campsite during winter temps. I bought it for winter survival in an unexpected forced overnighter while backcountry skiing. It stuffs into an ingenious inner pocket that also protects it during transport. As I said, the best thing about it is all the weight is in the down.
I bought this as a warm jacket to throw on over the top of my regular clothing when I'm standing around in the backountry. (And for sitting around camp when snow-camping etc.) For that purpose, it's outstanding. Firstly, let's be clear what this garment is not: it's not waterproof, and it's not tough -- it's not built to walk through thorns etc. If you try that, you'll rip it to shreds. What it is is SUPER WARM, and SUPER LIGHT and compressible. For it's intended purpose, it's absolutely outstanding: the negative reviews are clearly from people who expected something different. The hood is large enough to comfortably fit over a helmet. The sizing is generous: I'm 5'11', 160lbs, and M is large enough to wear over my ski jacket with several layers underneath. The down is top quality, very voluminous, and the baffled construction (seams not stitched all the way through, causing cold spots) is quite impeccable. It could be more windproof, I suppose, but that would make it heavier and bulkier, and if you're standing around in a hurricane, you should wear your hardshell on the outside! About the only thing I'd change is to make the jacket a couple of inches longer to keep my backside warmer. However, I assume this is targeted at mountaineers who want to wear a harness without getting the jacket tangled up. Again: insanely warm, insanely light, breathable, compressible, etc. Awesome.
What he is doing is called mixed climbing...ie rock and ice, sometimes required to get to ice that doesn't touch the ground. The technique of using ice tools to climb rock/granite is called "dry tooling."
just wondering over in time as u keep wearing this product will the filing ever start comming out of the coat like most down coatsand does the shell tear easy over time??
i bought this jacket for high alpine climbing and mountaineering, its super warm. i have only had it at around ten below but was still ready to go. its all fluff and little fabric so every ounce is to serve your warmth. if you want to a jacket for climbing NEVER skip on the hood. fits easily over any helmet and makes on the difference in warmth when its dark or the wind is whippin at the back of your neck. this is perfect for long winter belays when you have to just stop and sit on your but for an hour or more. i have also slept in this jacket in emergency bivy and was still warm in my cave. the angle wing technology means that you wont suck a bunch of cold air in everytime you take in slack. i love this jacket and its priced to sell
Hello! I'm almost sold on this - the only thing that I'm worried about is the down in the arms- my arms always get cold in jackets that have less down there, and then I get cold all over. Can anyone with this jacket tell me if there really is a lot less down in the arms?
I used this jacket for field work in North Greenland, where temperatures were around -15C (+5F). I have not been cold at all. I'm a girl, 5'7, and bought an M. With warm base layer and thick fleece (MH Monkey fleece) underneath, I could sit by -15C (5F) all day without getting cold (not much wind though..). One of my friends had bought the Mountain Hardware Sub Zero Parka, so I'll compare both to help you choose:
- Greenland is slightly warmer. It looks bigger, also. However, none of us was cold. - Outer fabric of Sub Zero looks more sturdy. It has reinforced material under the arms and over the shoulders. However, I was carrying metal trays that were not properly deburred, and scratched my jacket many times without ever poking a hole through it, so I would say that the outer fabric is more sturdy than it looks. If you are looking for a solid outer shell, go for Mountain hardware, though. - The very large pocket inside is definitely a plus: the MH jacket does not have a large pocket inside the jacket. I really loved having one: I can fit the camera, a spare pair of gloves, a beanie, the VHF radio, and there is still room! Since everything would freeze on the outside, I find it really useful (although it makes me look fat on the pictures..)!
In a nutshell, it is a very warm jacket, well built (although the outershell seems a bit weak). I have not found cold spots, and trust this jacket to keep me warm until at least -20C (-5F), even when windy. For colder temps, I have a secret weapon: there is room to put a down vest under it. Did I mention that it feels light, and it's very easy to move around in it?
I am a slightly small guy - 5'8, 150, medium to slight build and am not sure whether a small or medium would be more appropriate. A big concern for me is how the neck will fit - I am at the 14 1/2 inch range putting me at the cusp of small and medium and I know virtually no shirt or jacket I buy fits my neck, ever. If I'm thinking of spending over $300 I'd rather not need a scarf to prevent draft. any hints on the fit?
Cad3040163.. yes good news I am 5'8 155 also with a 14 & 1/2 inch neck. Medium is your best bet. I own a medium in most of my winter jackets and my TNF down jacket is a medium and the neck is great. My buddy has a Marmot down jacket and I tried it on they fit very similar, but Marmot is nicer in my opinion. Go medium and enjoy, sick jacket!
Okay so I ended up returning this jacket. This was due to the hood being too big (even when I tightened the velcro all the way). I'm not sure why marmot decided to make the hood so big... i really can't imagine someone using this jacket while wearing a helmet (maybe belaying somewhere with loose rock that could fall on your head?). Regardless, this is a pretty darn good down insulator. It's extremely puffy, lots of down, really nice features. Fix the hood and this is the jacket.
I'm not sure what the guy was talking about with no down in the sleeves... maybe he received some defect but the one I received had sleeves loaded with down, along with the rest of the jacket.
Most outdoor companies that make gear for technical situations make the hood to fit over a helmet. Don't complain about the design. Belaying and warming up at the top of a climb or a break is what it's made for. And as any climber knows, you should always be wearing a helmet around rock or ice, especially when belaying. If you're belaying a climber, there is almost always a chance of something falling, even tools, carabiners, ice tools, etc. So outerwear should fit over a helmet. At least this jacket has hood adjustments to help customize. I have Mtn Hardware jacket I use almost exclusively for around town, and was made to be a climbing layer. Yes the hood is huge, and it covers my eyes unless sinched, but at least I know why it's so big.
I'm a 5' 5" woman and I usually wear W's medium for jackets. Would the small fit for me? Unfortunatly there seems to be no 800+ down jacket for women that are designed to wear above the hardshell. Thanks!
I ordered this jacket when it was 20% off. I had a MH Phantom jacket and I was looking for something with a DWR finish and a hood. When this jacket came, I gave it 30 minutes to fluff from being in the plastic bag. I could not believe how thin the sleeves were. There was hardly any down in the sleeves. It had half the fill as my MH Phantom. I sent it back. I got the First Ascent Peak XV Down Jacket. It has a DWR finish with 850 fill down. It listed for $270. It is a far better jacket.
@Lovewool - new to mountaineering and I'm searching for my first super warm down jacket and settled on the FA Peak XV Down Jacket. Just curious as to your opinion, do you think is it overkill on lower 48 climbs?
I own both jackets, and they're both excellent. The First Ascent Peak XV gives you an extra 2 1/2 ounces of down fill and a much more durable shell, but the new version is sewn through at the fabric transition (tougher shoulder fabric) but fully baffled otherwise. It is definitely warmer and tougher than the Marmot Greenland at a 7 ounce weight penalty. However, the stitching quality (mass-produced Chinese factory) is not as impressive. The Marmot Greenland is great for most purposes except the most chilly environments. I don't think the Greenland is lacking at all in sleeve insulation.
Thats funny because I was going to order this jacket and I have the Patagonia Fitz Roy hoody which has almost NO down in the sleeves either, I tried this one on in the store after and I didn't see much different. I just recently came across the First Ascent jacket and was fairly impressed although I am really worried about the amount of down put in to it. I live in Fairbanks and its really cold here so it really does make the difference.
Thats funny because I was going to order this jacket and I have the Patagonia Fitz Roy hoody which has almost NO down in the sleeves either, I tried this one on in the store after and I didn't see much different. I just recently came across the First Ascent jacket and was fairly impressed although I am really worried about the amount of down put in to it. I live in Fairbanks and its really cold here so it really does make the difference.
I have this jacket and love it! I use it as a belay jacket or when just hanging around camp while winter skiing in the backcountry of Colorado. I can wear a t shirt underneath in windy near zero degree conditions and still be warm. My only complaint is that occasionally the down pokes thru.
hello have a question about your return policy. interested in purchasing this jacket but don't want to get stuck with it if it's not refundable since it's $350. Thank you.
I bought this jacket for extreme conditions in high latitudes and/or altitudes of arctic and sub-arctic Alaska. I didn't have it during the worst of the season, so haven't had the opportunity to give it my ultimate test. There are some readily evident pluses and minuses for this jacket. The baffled construction is excellent, draft tube is very effective, pockets are placed well, and range of arm motion while wearing the jacket is great. Very little mass and packs down very well. Pitfalls include a poorly designed, over-sized hood that can't be synched tight without pulling over the eyes. This alone made me seriously consider shipping this thing back, but I got it during a pretty sweet sale, and think I have devised a way to deal with it. Also, the collar is not separate from the hood so it doesn't close any tighter than the hood resulting in a draft down the collar if you can't figure out a way to get the hood tight. The main zipper on mine is not as smooth to zip as I would like, but it is tolerable and I can't assume this is more than a flaw with this particular zipper rather than all the zippers on all the Greenland jackets. And as I anticipated, the lightweight nylon of the shell does not appear durable at all, but does offer promise to avoid trapping moisture (waterproof and breathable are an impossible combination in extreme cold) and weighs nothing, which were two features I was more interested in. I've worn a thin, oversized, nylon wind shell over it in situations where protection from abrasion or high winds was needed, which has seemed to provide adequate reinforcement so far; that is another layer I always carry anyway.
I'm 6'5'' with long arms and want to know if any down jacket would fit better than another for length. Seems like XL is good in the body but short on the arms, and XXL is good on arm length and too big in the body. Thanks
I have long arms and find North Face are generally generous with arm length. I am unfamiliar with Marmot's sizing though, so I can't really draw a direct comparison for you. I know Marmot are good stuff but if you specifically need long arms and Marmot don't suit in that regard, I definitely recommend you consider the TNF offerings. I do appreciate, however, that TNF's equivalent to the Greenland is the Himalayan, which is more expensive.
Need to update my review my real weight is 260 and the xl is a nice fit and returned the xxl for it...the xxl is too big and drafty I am 6 foot and well built...xxl is too big.
Im 6' 2" 155 pounds. i bought the XL and its really roomy in my waist area. should i go with the large or do you think it will be too short for my arms? is it being too roomy bad?
You will lose about an inch in the arms sizing down to a large so if you have that much length to work with then I would go with the large. The roomy could come in handy if you need to layer up for those really cold days or for wearing it after Thanksgiving dinner.
Awsome coat...lots to like and good looks too...I am 240 lbs and 6 foot and a xxl is a great fit xl a little too tight in the middle. Lots of room for layering and draw strings for hood and waist are great to keep out cold breezes. Just loosen the waist to get the zipper up or its too tight to zip. Lots of good comments of course....love the blue color...and very warm!
I bought this coat for my 17 year old son. My entire family owns different Marmot jackets so it wasn't a big surprise that he would like it. He says it's extremely warm (although the hood is a bit big). My son normally wears a size 30- 32 jean and maybe a size large in tops for the sleeve length. I bought a size large jacket, which was a little roomier than we expected. But all in all- it's all good!
Last summer I borrowed a friends Marmot down bag, it impressed me as quality gear so when I needed a new Parka that could handle interior Alaska winter I decided to try the Greenland. This is a Parka that I would rate as about 3/4 throttle, its not quite expedition weight (although I'm sure some people will use it that way) but it is more than adequate for day-in-day-out Fairbanks life. Good points: your money is paying for lots of good quality down, tricky seams around the shoulders and arms are well executed, generous functional hood, useful pockets. Mediocre points: the shell material is gorgeous but a little delicate for woodcutting chores or any bush-whacking. As a value I think this item is superior in its price category, you need to go to a feathered-friends (substantially more $) for a real improvement in performance.
Hi. I am not sure if i should buy the L- ore the XL size. Can somebody tell me how long the back is on these sizes? I am about 185 cm tall and 72 kg, wich size should i have?
When the mercury drops, reach for this guy. I love mine, my frinds fight me for it when it is my turn to climb and wont be wearing it. I love it while belaying during ice season. It stuffs fairly small into the inside pocket, however it ends up in a really strange shape that doesnt fit well into anything, so i use a small stuff sack and then everything is good. The hood is roomy enough to fit over a helmet. It is light enough that I can carry it on summer epics as an emergency bivy plan. I know it would keep me alive. I cant say anything bad about this other than people will fight over it.
What makes the Greenland Jacket a cut above the rest? Baffles. Combined with 850+ fill down, the baffles in this jacket eliminate cold spots in seams to produce the ultimate efficiency and insulation. The built in hood is a continuation of the body, keeping the same loft around your head as in the body. The three types of pockets are also designed to keep you snug. First, the hand pockets are lined and allow you to insert your hands under the down, against your body to quickly warm them up after being exposed to the cold. Second, the inner mesh pocket is big enough to hold a liter of water, to keep it from freezing. Third, the entire jacket compresses into an inside waterproof pocket, allowing you to stow the jacket on the outside of your pack, making it easily available during rest stops or right after you roll into camp. Even a winter night high in the Utah mountains was no match for this jacketwe stayed cozy in sub-zero weather.
The only drawback to the jacket is the main zipper: it is temperamental when the waist draw is tightened. It takes some getting used to or loosening, but is definitely not a show stopper. The water resistant nylon exterior sheds light moisture, but should be accompanied with a shell in storms. The Greenland Jacket is a competitively priced, well-rounded, and efficient down that will keep out almost any type of cold. -1 lbs. 10 oz.
does the marmot greenland baffled down jacket have a longer cut at the back like the marmot mountain down jacket for men's and do you ship to canada, thank you.
Not really. Back of jacket is very slightly lower than front, but not so you'd notice. Length seems to be selected so that it doesn't get too much in the way of a harness.And I don't work for Backcountry, but I'm pretty sure they'll ship this to Canada. If you click the "Global Shipping" button, you'll see a list of brands that cannot be shipped outside of the US. Marmot is not on the list, so you should be good to go.
I haven't had a chance to put this to the test yet. But just from wearing it around in just below freezing temps, there is a significant draft that comes through the zipper. Theres not enough Velcro or there needs to be an internal vertical baffle to block the air infiltration. The Velcro that closes the jacket near the neck is just two tiny pieces that would never stay shut in high winds or snowy/icy weather. The elastic cords to cinch the hood always come untied and i had to ghetto rig them to not come undone. the neck area does not come up high enough so a draft goes right down your front and around your head unless you cinch it so you cant see although i would imagine that a helmet would remedy this situation. lots of complaints but pretty light so it's a trade off. i choose the lighter becasue it still gets the job done just not as efficiently. Any yes theres even lighter than this out there.
how does this thing fit? I'm about 180lb, 5'11"-6ft. i usually wear a large in most things. does jacket run big, i like the design but im afraid if i buy the large it will be too big on me. any thoughts? or could send a pic with the jacket on?
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Very impressed with this jacket. Excellent warmth to weight ratio. I was concerned that the material might rip while climbing the grey tower at night but more...
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