All downhill, and no apologies.
- DIN 5-14
- Magnesium parts
- Triple Pivot Elite toe
- Pin system toe adjustment for AT and alpine
- Inter-Pivot heel
- AFD fixed stainless steel gliding plate
- Only non-touring binding for AT and alpine boots
Share your thoughts
Functional binding for AT boots
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
Bought these for my wife's Kastle Mx 70 style slalom ski. She uses an AT boot (garmont) for everything- powder skis to icy groomer skis and we couldn't find a good, non-touring binding to accommodate her boot until now.
The marker lords mounted easily to a 70mm wide ski and the 90 mm brakes did not get in the way. They actually fold into the side of the binding when the boot is locked in. The bindings are a little heavy but overall it's an extremely light set up.
Zero complaints. I'll be buying a set for myself!
Uhm, am I missing something, or is the...
Uhm, am I missing something, or is the Lord hyping functionality that is already in all of the "royal family" bindings?
I have both the Griffons & the Barons, and the adjustable-height AFD allows me to adjust them both to funtion properly with my rubber-soled Dynafit Titan UL AT boots.
Griffons & Barons adjust to: 1) the width of my toe lugs, 2) proper AFD clearance, 3) forward pressure at heel.
What could a binding do to be more "AT compatible" than that?
I was curious about this myself, the answer is not readily available. From doing some research, I believe that the Jester/Barron or Duke have 5mm of AFD adjustment, same with this binding, but the toe piece also has two different height settings, which will get you an additional 5mm of adjustment (for rockered soles of more A/t oriented boots). If you have Cochise boots, you might not need this, but if you have some Dinafits or Scarpas, you will. I'm surprised that you can get your Titans to work with a Jester bindo though! You must not have much toe rocker. Unfortunately, I've read that even this additional 5mm of clearance is not enough for some A/T boots with a lot of sole rocker in the toe.
If you want to get real dorked out on this subject here's some beta from our friends at TGR:
Thanks for the intel Craig. So they've expanded the range of adjustability by 5mm?
I can't speak for other boot manufacturers, but the regular "Royal Family" bindings work fine with any of Dynafit's current boots you would actually want to use with a downhill oriented binding: I've had Vulcans & Mercuries in my Barrons, no problem as well.
Seems like Marker is chasing a tiny piece of the pie in a strange way: why create a whole new binding model when you can just revise the toe on the existing Griffon & Jester?
I ski the Vulcan boot because it is almost half the weight of a regular downhill boot. it may be a small piece of the market but this is the only binding that is not an AT that actually works. you can stuff the AT boot in any binding, but the release is totally unpredictable. I applaud Marker for being the only manufacturer that is willing to make a downhill binding for an AT boot. The Barron is strictly AT and the Griffon and Jester can not be adjusted.
Sorry Don, but you're wrong on all accounts: all Royal Family Series Markers work perfectly when adjusted for AFD clearance on the Vulcan. I've had Dynafit Vulcans, Mercurys, and Titans in both my Barron & Griffin bindings.
Release & retention is perfect & 100% consistent with alpine boots.
ALL royal family bindings have IDENTICAL toe-height adjustment mechanisms which allow me to dial in Marker's specified amount of AFD clearance.
This Lord binding evidently has an extra 5mm of clearance for hypothetical, ultra-rockered boots, but your Dynafits are not among them.
While we're at it, the size 28.5 Vulcans I didn't buy (hated the lack of progressive flex) were 7.6 lbs. My stock Solomon Falcons are 10.6lbs. AT boots are great, but they're not magically exempt from the laws of physics: you need mass to drive a ski.
A lot of hype for an OK binding
- Familiarity: I gave it as a gift, but have feedback to share
Got my boyfriend a pair of these for Christmas because he has an unhealthy attachment to his Scarpa Maestrales (and because I /love/ my marker Griffons). I was at 4/5 stars when he pulled them out of the box (little buggers are HEAVY), and that's since dropped down to a 3/5 for a few reasons.
1. Part of what makes the Maestrale such an amazing AT boot is the rockered sole. Because of this pronounced rocker, they don't really work with the Lords (which I later realized was probably because they don't have an ISO 9523 complying sole). They work in that he double released when he should have (epic double tomohawk yardsale), but it is impossible to get the toe piece adjusted on the bindings to eliminate contact between the sole and the AFD plate (which Marker insists in its install guide). I'd have no problem skiing on them with this issue, and neither does he, but Marker doesn't like it, and he's been leaving Vibram gunk all over the AFD plate.
2. Heavy - I know, it's an alpine binding with an extra plate underneath for adjustability, and I'm a Dynafit-loving AT goober, but these weigh an entire pound more than the Griffons. Maybe I'm spoiled, but it bugs me. They're marginally lighter than the Dukes.
3. Expensive for what you're getting. I'm thinking of just returning these and shelling out for some Dynafits (or making him buy resort boots and buying Griffons). Same price as the Dukes, minus a few ounces, without the touring functionality.
Pro: these share the same drill pattern as the Griffons, so if you change your mind, you don't have to drill again!
In sum, I guess I'm just a bit underwhelmed by the technology (and how bulky they are). I understand how much of a pain it is to make a binding that purportedly fits EVERYTHING, but feel like there ought to be a more elegant solution out there. Not really light enough to make them an easy sell over the Dukes, for all that they let you ride a smidgen closer to the ski when you're actually on them.
I really want these bindings but I weigh...
I really want these bindings but I weigh 115 lbs. Is that a big deal?
Short answer: You should be ok.
Long answer: DIN is determined by more than just your weight - ski shops take into account your height, weight, age, and skier type (as well as boot size, to a certain degree) to determine what DIN your bindings will be set to (and any concerns you might have related to releasing or not releasing). That having been said, if you're a beginner skier with big feet (the bigger the boot, the lower the DIN because, well, physics), these probably aren't the right binding. I'm about the same weight, have tiny feet, ski pretty aggressively and ride somewhere between a 6.5-8 depending on the bindings.
When in doubt, check with your local ski shop - a tech can give you a pretty good idea of what DIN you'd ride.
I would like to use these with BOTH my AT...
I would like to use these with BOTH my AT boot (310mm BSL) and my downhill boot (317mm BSL). Is this possible? Is their room for small adjustments (+/- 1-2 cm) in the heel to accommodate varying BSL's?
Yes these would work great for what you want to do! The toe can adjust for either type of boot and there is some adjustment room for varying BSLs.
Thinking about getting a pair of these to...
Thinking about getting a pair of these to go on my Dynastar Legend 105s. Any thoughts?
The Dynastar Legend 105 should be a good matchup with the Marker Lord SP with the 110mm brakes or the Marker Jester in a 110mm.
I know these can work with an AT sole or...
I know these can work with an AT sole or regular din sole but I would like to use them with both my lange and my scarpa's, so my question is can I safely raise the toe piece my self or would I have to get the pro to do it and check the din every time I would switch boots?
There is actually a screw in front of the AFD that is removable with an allen Key. After the screw is removed there is a lever you pull which will release the toe piece from the binding. At that point you can slide the toe piece to the correct height, push the lever back in and replace the screw with the allen key.
Will these 110 brakes work on the 116 Rossi...
Will these 110 brakes work on the 116 Rossi Super 7s?
No, that will be too much to bend the brakes out.
If you are set on getting this binding, you can contact Marker directly to get some wider brakes to fit the skis.
In response to your...
In response to your question to my question below, I have Tecnica Cochise Pro boots, with tech soles (not DIN soles). Are these ISO 9523 certified?
Yes the Tech soles form Technica are ISO 9523 certified. Here is the info from Tecnica:
DIN Sole- ISO 5355 rubberized heel pad on DIN footprints fits all alpine bindings and offers maximum grip on various surfaces
Tech Sole- ISO 9523 rubberized sole pad on Tech footprints fits all AT bindings and offers maximum grip on rock, ice, and snow
Can you please compare these with the...
Can you please compare these with the Salomon STH 2. Will I be able to use AT boots (with tech soles) on both? Are only the Lord's ISO compatible with both DIN soles and Tech soles, or are the STH2's ISO compatible with both as well?
Depends on what boots you have. The Lord will work with rubber AT soles and Alpine soles. The STH2 WTR will work only with Alpine soles or soles that are ISO 9523 certified, which does not include all AT soles. Full rockered rubber soles won't work in the STH2 WTR (like a Scarpa Mobe for example).
I have Tecnica Cochise Pro boots, with tech soles (not DIN soles). Are these ISO 9523 certified?
Is the mounting pattern the same as 2012/2013...
Is the mounting pattern the same as 2012/2013 Jester?
You are good to go. It's the same pattern as last years Jester.
Anyone know if there a 16 DIN version that...
Anyone know if there a 16 DIN version that still have the Alpine / AT sole adjustment? I want to use these with a CAST SIS&I system this season.
These only come in the 5-14 DIN version. You can use either lugged AT or standard ISO DIN boots in them.
I've got these ,they seem to work well. I am 200 lbs and have had no problem skiing these at ordinary settings. I can't imagine having a toe binding set at 16, you must be awesome!
eh, i'm alright. i have em at 13 right now and its fine. i kinda feel weird setting it all the way to the max, but realistically i only need them at 12 or 13.
Brian, what did you end up doing for your CAST SI&I setup? I'm really interested in getting it on a pair of BD Zealots.