Marker Griffon 12 Ski Binding - 2009 BCS

personal preference, done it before looks lil strange no performance issues.

Yes, these can be mounted on the K2 Kung Fujas.

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Hmm 8mm is a lot of room to have to cover. The 90 might clear. might not, you could always bend the brakes... Still I might just go with the 110

if you get a din of 16, you won't be setting it at 16. The biggest advantage with the jester over these for you would be durability, especially if you are start hitting some bigger jumps. I had a 12 din binding a few years back that just couldnt handle abuse in the park and exploded mid jump, pretty scary. so i replaced it with a sth 16 and never looked back - even though i set my binding below 12 i wouldn't want a 12 din binding. Having said that i am a top level skier so this may not apply in your circumstances, just something to consider when you make your purchase.

Griffions i put them on everything.. My armada park skis, volkl all mountains and my line powder skis. They are the best binding for the money hands down for any type of skiing.

The middle dosnt matter, a good binding should preform as well at the top and the bottom of the din setting. The noise is from the plastic boot flexing against a plastic binding, only way around that is to go metal on metal, like a Dynafit binding.

These are solid. I'd definitely suggest having them mounted at a reputable shop though!

No, AT lugged soles will not work with the Griffon; Alpine only.

Those will work fine with the 90mm brake. You may have to give them a little bend for a snugger fit. This is common when mounting, so no problem at all.

Thanks Matthew - they are being mounted this evening!

The binding itself will fit. There's no issue with that. The problem is the brakes are only 90 mm and the ski is 115mm underfoot. What you will need to do is either order the larger brake size and swap them in, or bend the brakes. Bending the brakes is a pretty common procedure. You or the shop, when mounting the skis will have to bend the brakes out straight, and then back in, to match the width of the ski. I have an 85mm brake on a pair of salomon bindings bent to fit my pow skis that are 136 underfoot. Either option will work fine, it just depends on how clean of a fit/look you want.

I bought the griffons last year because I've never set my din above 12. Didn't see a need for the Jester. Two weeks ago the piece on the heel that wraps around the mounting plate snapped like a toothpick. The piece that broke is made of metal on the jesters and would not have happened. The guys at the ski shop said this was a first for them, so I don't know how common it is, but it definately wouldn't have happened with the jesters. If it's an issue of longetivity, I would go with the jesters.

Both bindings are going to keep you in just fine. There are a few minor differences in weight and price to consider, but as far as riding experience I'm not sure you will notice much difference.

Actually, these are some of the lightest 12-din bindings on the market. Rossi SAS/XL 120/140 are over 2400g/pair and are not specifically designed for Rossi skis. I prefer Rossi/look bindings because the heelpiece has more elastic travel than that of Marker jester/griffon/duke/baron bindings.

Go with the Rossi's, Rossignol Ski's Rossignol Bindings, perfect match. Rossi Bindings are solid and they are designed to go with Rossi Skis, its a perfect match. I even think the Rossi bindings are lighter too.

It will be a tight fit, but you probably won't have to even stretch it. 92 mm with a 90 mm break means that it is going to be 1 tenth of a cm too small on either side. It should fit just fine. If you find it is too tight, just take a small metal pipe and stick the break arm in it, and pull out away from the ski a little bit for some extra breathing room. Do this for both arms on both skis. The brakes should be attached to the binding and mounted on the ski when you are doing this. It is easiest that way. Whatever shop you take them to, to get them mounted will do this for you no problem.

Check out the Marker Baron
http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Marker-Baron-12-Ski-Binding/MRK0010M.html
Awesome touring binding.

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those are brake widths, nothing to do with boots sole length. if you have a wider ski than 90mm in the waist you will want the 110mm brake width. you can fit these bindings to any boot size.

That is the brake size, so if you have a ski that is less than 90mm at the waist, get the 90mm. If it is bigger than 90mm, get the 110mm.

Get the jesters...it will be worth it, unless of course the difference of cost is to huge for you. But personally I think you will be much happier with the jesters.

If you rip hard, you should probably go for the Jester. If you run your bindings at the 10-12 range, then you should for sure get the Jester, since you don't want to keep them that close to the top.

there should be a screw somewhere on the toepiece that will adjust the hieght. make it so that when you put your boot into the binding (on a table or something, not while your standing on it), there is just enough room between the sole of your boot and the top of the binding where the ball of your foot would be to slide a single piece of paper through.

Yeah these would be a great choice...unless you want a DIN of 16 then go with the Marker Jesters.

I'm 6'4" and weigh 180-190 and I ride the Griffon on 3 different pairs of skis (S5, S6, S7). It comes more down to what DIN you ride. I ride a 9 and therefore didn't see the need to pay more to have the option of cranking my DIN up to 16. I beat on my skis and put in over 100 days in each season. That being said I've never had any problems with any of my Griffons. The only wide ride binding problem we've ever had in the shop was actually with a pair of Dukes and the AFD came off while riding at Steamboat.

Like with ski lengths and DIN settings people often go longer or higher because their friends are riding it or they see a girl "can handle" a 14 DIN or a 189cm etc. No chart in the world will ever recommend riding a 14 DIN. Our shop uses Marker branded charts and the highest it goes is 13 and you have to be over 6'5" and 210 pounds. I'm including a picture of the exact charts we use in our shop so you can have a look

This comes down to a question of weight, strength and skill. If you are over 175lbs and push hard, then by all means choose the Jester. If you are lighter, and are a "subltle" skier, then the Griffon works just fine. At 6'1", 180 I ski the Jester. My wife, at 5'7" 115 lb does just fine on the Griffon. Another factor is how much you bang around equipment, traveling or otherwise, if that is a concern, go with the Jester. That said, I have yet to see a smashed up Griffon. I doubt you can go wrong with either, and I hope this answer does not just confuse the matter!!

The le comptes are 80mm underfoot right? So then you need the 90mm breaks.

Depends on what DIN you ride. Pros, very large men, and people overcompensating on their DIN ride the Jesters. Due to you being over 6' and 236lbs you could certainly qualify as a large man. You may be towards the higher end of the 12 maximum but depending on what type of rider you are you may be fine. It really just depends on your DIN. Durability has never been an issue for me and I own 3 pairs of Griffons, in fact the only pair of Marker royal family bindings I've ever seen break were a pair of Dukes (the 16 DIN AT version).

It really depends on how hard you charge...you might wanna go with the jesters so that you can have a DIN of 16 but they are practically the same as the griffons except more metal and a higher din.

The 110s might be a bit big and might actually touch the snow when carving. If you're going to ride switch they might even hook. You're better off adjusting the 90mm ones with some plyers.

yeah the din of 12 should be fine. I im about 6'2 and 180 and i have my din at 10. okay im not the biggest park ripper in the world. I still get pretty scared about jumps that are over 30 feet. But I have never had this binding release prematurely. Highly recommend it and the other guy is right...your knees will thank you, plus you want your skis to pop off if you slam hard.

YES. the people who think that they need 18 din are compensating. your knees will thank you later.

If you never set your DIN over 12, then they are some of the best out there. IF you run at about 12, it is recommended that you go for the Jesters, since you shouldn't have your DIN set at the full extent of the binding.

132mm is the biggest brake I've seen out there

You have to buy the 130mm brakes that marker sells. I think they are about $50...yeah I know, complete rip off. Some stores sell the binding with the 130mm brake already on so look around cause then you dont have to pay the 50 bucks. Have fun on the bents...they are sick skis. I got a pair this summer and cant wait to use them.

You can definitely get wide enough brakes- I have these on a pair of EP Pros, 127mm under foot.

I am pretty sure that you can find some brakes that fit up to 130mm, but you would have to order them separate, and that means paying extra.

Great price...doubt these bindings will ever be on tramdock...maybe in the middle of summer. but not in the next few months

Very Unlikely since tramdock is usually just overstocked/discontinued items and Backcountry will almost certainly sell out of these bindings.

At $229 this is an awesome binding, especially if you don't need to push your din's past 12 (not many people do).

The Griffon is a better park and all mountain binding in my opinion, I know some guys that have some problems with the Rossi stuff, and some people straight up love it. The Griffons have a low swing weight, and are super grippy, so you don't have to worry about premature ejection, but still drop you if need be. Mostly the difference is in weight, and DIN. Griffon is 12, SAS 140 is 14.

They can be bought with a 130 brake, this should be wide enough to fit the Kuro (might require bending - this is easy); however, im not sure if Backcountry sells them with the 130 brake (brakes can be bought separately and attached to the binding)