Line Prophet 100 Ski - 2009 BCS

Hey Ben,

I'd suggest getting something with tip rocker for that PNW heavy crud snow. It makes initiating the turn much easier, especially with tele, and allows you to blast right through stuff that regular camber skis just can't handle. I ski these mounted with Hammerheads, and in heavy crud and sticky snow they tend to get a little hard to manage...

Check out the Justice, from Black Diamond.

they are awesome ski i have them they rock pow and shred the groomers i think one of the best all mountain fat skis

It depends on what you want out of the ski. I am a little heavier than you at 185 and skied the 179cm for a season. LIke above I wished I had the 186cm since the 179 is VERY turny at my weight, but in super tight and steep that turny feeling was great but everywhere else it took away from the stability especially in crud. It is a GREAT ski and I just sold my 179's and will probably replace them with the 186.

At 6'2" 160lbs, I ski the 186's and have no complaints. They are very stable, yet nible edge to edge. The 'hookiness' may take some getting used to after a skiing on a non-shaped ski, but I guarantee the first time the first time you have to make a sharp turn to avoid an obstacle of some sort, you will immediately appreciate it. 186s for sure.

I'm 5'7 and ski the 172 Prophet 100. The ski has a tight radius and is easy to turn so skiing the longer ski should be no problem especially if you ski deep powder or open slopes above the trees where I noticed that the tail tends to cave in easily if you lean a little bit too much backwards and are going for big turns, also because the recommended mounting point is pretty far back.

I would go for the 186 if you ski open slopes and deep powder often, I'm using my ski mainly in the trees and there it makes up for a lot of fun having the short one.

Skiing on groomers with this ski is easy and you can literally carve your way down (not in comparison to a real carving ski or race ski, that's again a whole different story), this skis carve if you ski them gently and without using too much power; in icy conditions I wouldn't use the ski anyways but if you take care of your edges they'll hold without big problems.

skied them yesterday in chopped up heavy powder. much turnier on groomed than i would have thought. Handled chopped powder well. A little chattery at super high speeds on groomers and it makes me think the tip is a little soft. I was pleasantly surprised with how well they skied and how versital they were.

BTW, I'm 6'3" 205lb and skied the 186's. 179 will be too short for you.

Really...there is not a huge difference between the 90s and the 100s. The 90s will be slightly better in the bumps. The 100s may be slightly better at carrying you on powder days. I would go with the 90s since you will be skiing mostly in the east. The 90s also will serve you adequately during the weeks you are experiencing killer powder days at Snowbird or on Kachina Peak in Taos--the 100s would be slightly better. But, again, in your situation, the 90s will serve you better all around. Either way, go for the 186 length, or for another line of skis, check out PM Gear, Moment, DPS, or Blue House.

Joel...you'll be fine on the 179s. Enjoy a kick a__ ski!

I am 6' 180 and have the 186's with Marker Jesters and really like the setup. I really have no complaints of the 186's, but if I had to say anything negative it is that they are slightly too long...maybe the 179's would have been better for me.

Thanks Andrew. Really appreciate it. Can't wait to get em mounted and try them out. I think it's been snowing up in Breck for the past few days so conditions should be sweet.

I am about your same size and have spent lots of time on both the 179 and the 186. There was not a ton of difference, most days I actually perfered the 179 because they were a little easier to throw around and in general they were more versatile. I think you'll be happy with that set up including the bindings.

As I said in my review below, the Prophet 100 is a good ski for almost any condition. But also, as I said, I like the Line Blend more, because it has a more forgiving geometry and flex, which I think makes it a better one ski quiver. It's still 100mm underfoot, but the nose shape is more subtle and forgiving- it doesn't hook in to the turns as much as the P 100. The Mantra's are much stiffer, and less forgiving than both the Line's. That said, the Mantra's are highly praised by Volkl lovers. I personally find that the Mantra is more of a race ski, and doesn't have much forgiveness and playfulness. If you like to really lay in the lines, and ski aggressively, then the Mantra would be excellent.
The great thing about the Line's is that it has multiple turn radii, which makes it predictable and maneuverable through any condition. As far as length goes, I'd choose the 183 if you choose the Blend, 186 if you choose the Prophet 100, (at 160lbs, I thought the 179 was too short,) and the Mantra at 191. 184 would be okay in the Mantra, too, but you'll appreciate some extra length in the deep stuff, and if you like to go fast.

I'm 6' and 160 lbs, and skied the 179 for a season. It handled well in about all conditions, with Hammerhead bindings on them. I was pretty stoked until I tried the 186 with HH's. The 186 was a lot better in the deep snow, and went faster on groomers and chop. I didn't notice any more difficulty maneuvering in tight spots with the added length, and was really wishing I had gone longer.
The other problem I had was that the Prophet was just too hooky. I think the Line Blend is a better choice because it is more forgiving and has a symmetrical flex, whereas the Prophet has a slightly softer tail, and more side cut. The softer Blend would be a better choice for telemark skiing because it has a rounder flex, and more forgiving geometry. Go long, though. 179cm was short for me, so I would guess it would be for you, as well.

Totally personal preference. I am about your size in weight, and a little shorter than you. For alpine I would feel like a 179 is too short, but if you ride tele and love trees you may like the 179. Up to you though for sure.

well the local mountains here in so.cal don't really get much powder, and I doubt I would use the Lines for that. Next year I am moving north for school and will mainly be skiing Tahoe or other similar areas. I don't do too much trees yet, and when I turn tight and fast, it is on groomers since my current skis don't even handle pow. I'm starting to lean for the 179s. Thanks for your help.

the ski is an ease choice. i would go with the 100. these are one of the most versatile skis i have ever skied on. as for length i would need to know more of what you are looking for. if you like big lines with long GS turns the 179 is the ski for you. if you like a little quicker ski then look at the 172. this won't give you quite the float, but it will be a killer tree ski and quick turner. so it depends on where you are skiing and what you like to ski. but the 100 is the way to go.

LEVEL 7
Description: You are comfortable and confident on all blue square and easier black diamond terrain, including moderate moguls and ungroomed snow. You can modify your technique and tactics from a growing quiver of options, linking dynamic carved turns with consistent rhythm on blue groomed terrain. Skiers usually ski parallel, with effective pole use. Snowboarders can mix carved and skidded turns.

What to expect—depending on your needs and goals:
- Continue to refine balance and develop skills and versatility.
- Learn to manage the changing forces of higher speed short, medium, and long carved turns, and uneven terrain.
- Explore tactics and technique options for enjoying the whole mountain, including moderate moguls, steeps, powder, racing, carving, crud, ice, or freestyle.

I have been skiing in Montana for 24 years and somehow I have no idea what a level 7 skiier is. Could somebody let me know please!

Save the money. You weigh nothing, you'll have plenty of surface area with the 72's. Where do you ski?

Depends on what you are gonna use them for. If you are gonna use them in the powder a lot I would go with the 179s for sure. But if you want to get a good discount, maybe go with a different ski and get the right size.

Tabrys is right: go 186. I'm your size, bought the 179s, and absolutely wish I'd picked up the 186s. The 179s are a lot of fun, but you will almost certainly want more ski. Excellent in tight trees, certainly soft enough for bumps, but are you really going to be skiing a lot of bumps anyway on this ski, with the 134mm shovels?

The prophet 100 is one of the easiest skis to ski in every condition i've ever been on. It floats well in powder due to its really wide tip and waist. It has a layer of titanal (the metal matrix) and has quite a bit of camber, that combination makes it bite really well and makes it really responsive on hardpack. Either length won't have that issue of gettin squirrely in crud, because they are a much more stable ski than your bandits. The 186 with the added length is obviously going to be more stable. According to line the running surface is 155cm for the 186 and 148cm for the 179. So the extra 7 cm of length does equate to 7cm more of running surface. Also, the turn radius is 18.9m on the 186 versus 17.2m on the 179. Both are relatively tight, so you will be able to make a variety of turn shapes. If you are coming from a 177, you will probably be more comfortable on the 179. But at your height and weight, you are better suited for the 186 and will probably feel the 179 is too short over time. One of the most common complaints about this ski is when opting for the shorter models (172, 179) people say they should have gone longer. I've skied both lengths and liked them both. The 179 was more fun, and definitely more nimble. It was easier to throw around in the woods and off windlips, cat tracks, etc. The 186 was more stable, floated better in pow, and absolutely tore up wide open terrain. My only complaint about the 186, was that for me at 5'8" 160, as responsive as it was, 186cm was still a lot of ski (for me) to turn well(it was hard work), when the bumps and trees got tight.

I have tele bindings on the Karhu Team 100s, which are the exact same ski with a different top sheet. They rip. I use Hammerheads, but it depends on what boot you have. If you've got a T-Race or Custom, I'd go Hammereheads, they pair up nicely with stiff boots to provide a lot of power and control. If you're into touring, Black Diamond O1s. You can check out the factory mounting recommendations here: http://karhuskico.com/images/tech/karhu_techbulletin_0910.pdf. Use the measurements from the Team 100. The numbers refer to mms measured from the tail along the surface of the ski to pin line of the bindings.

Personally, I think the 179's should be fine considering your height. As for the bindings, the jester schizo is a good choice. The ability of changing the postition by a few cm by turning that screw is unique. Just to be sure that you condider your options, you should check out some of marker's other bindings and salomon's bindings. But the schizo is for sure a good possible choice.

I'm a smidge under 5'11 and a bit under 165. Skied on the 186cm 100' for a season before the public knew they existed. The 100 will be more useable in varied conditions with a better more balanced platform when you are off piste. On piste if its a 35/40+ degree super hard surface the fronts will shudder through the finish of the turn if you carry alot of speed. Never noticeable any other time and super stable more so than the 90. In the NW we get lots of icy days as well as crud (where the 100 absolutely kills it) and pow pow. The 100 is so fun you'll put that 8000 away imo. It became my go to ski. 3 pairs later I'm burned out on em and trying other skis now. Another ski to consider would be the Movement Source or a slightly more progressive one I just picked up from BC the Lib Tech NAS Freeride Recurve.

You go with the 100s. My quiver (as a racer) are my race skis for the groomers, but then the Prophet 100 and the Volkl Gotama, and its a dream.

You will not regret the 100's, and don't waste your 10 cm. on something that won't hold up as well on a pow day.

I purchased the Prophet 100 in 2007 as a northeast pow ski after demoing the P90. I quickly realized that they rip up the groomers, bumps, glades, and made sticking big air landings easier. I have not met a condition that these skis did not excel in. My last ski was a Volkl AC3 Unlimited. Since getting the P100's the Volkls stay in the garage. Go with the 100's. You won't regret it.

If you looking to use them in pow, go with the 100's. If you wanted an all around that can do pow as well, go with 90's. But since you've got your everyday sticks, these are a great powder ski for the east and the trips to the deeps out west.

I find the Prohet 100 to be pretty forgiving - I definately do not have to pay attention to it much. It does have a speed limit - but I'm also 20 lbs heavier and that if going to 'pre-load' the ski more than you and might be inspiring a little 'tip flap' at speed. I can point out that while there is a speed limit, it is above what I noramlly cruise at so for me - it's not real limitation. It isn't a race ski speed wise. Correspondingly it has slow speed turning ability and float that make it easy to get through tight trees and chutes. Just in case the above isn;t clear - I really like this ski a lot!

Still looking for answers? I live and ski in Utah and on the Prophet 100. I'm 5'10''and 170 and 179 is perfect. This ski does it all...backside, frontside, inside, outside! Very stable at speed. You will love this ski as so many of us who already have it do.

The Prophet 100 likes speed, is pretty stiff, and not "forgiving" per se, but is a great ski for hard/soft snow, variable conditions...I ski these for packed powder/hard pack days and Volkl Kuros for the deep stuff. I really like the Lines.

I went for the Solomon Z12s (not too much cash and reasonably light), but haven't skied 'em yet. Tell me if you like what you get.

Well, I've got Marker Griffons mounted on both Prophet 100s and Prophet 90s, and have been very happy with them. Admittedly, I've only run them for one season, so I can't speak to long term durability. I'm 5'11", 185, advanced/expert. I ski trees, bumps, steeps, but am rarely hitting drops bigger than 15-20 feet. I hike a lot at Taos, Alta, Snowbird, so I like the light set up of the Griffons. Your experience may vary, but this has been a good set up for me. If you plan on hitting big drops or features, I suppose you might want to think hard about the Jester or the Salomon Sth 14 or 16.

I skied the 179 Prophet 100 last year at Mt Crested Butte for over 60 days(single, double blacks), 6 ft 185 lb, 68 yrs. I tried the 172, not enough length, got more control at 179. This ski will dive if you are not careful, one serious face plant. Griffon bindings worked. Not best mogul ski. Will probably move to K2 or Rossi tip rocker for 09-10. give the 100 a 3-1/2 star rating.

I love the 100s, but if you are not going to be using this ski specifically for powder, I would get the Prophet 90. The 100s are an outstanding but soft powder ski. If you are mostly going to be ripping hard pack groomers, it's too soft. Now, if you've got another pair of skis for those hard pack days, pick up the 100s and you'll love them in the fluff. Also, they turn unbelievably well, and they ski short, so I would pick up the 172s if I were you.

I echo the call for the 179cm Prophets. They are light and quick. I am 170 lbs and love them in bumps, crud and powder. Any shorter you would feel like there was not enough ski.

I agree with Shane that you'll be better off with the 179s. I'm 5'11", 185, ski the 179s and I would go up in size before I ever considered dropping down in size with these skis. They are light, soft, and the turn radius is tiny for a ski this size, so don't downsize.

I say that the 179 is your ski, since you still ski aggressively, but if you don't feel comfortable with it then sizing down will not really effect the performance that much.