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Tele Crud Busters?
Anyone tried mounting...
Tele Crud Busters?
Anyone tried mounting these Tele? If so, how are they in the crud? I need a new tele ski, and I'm considering these, the Blend, Salomon Czar, and Rossi Phantom S108. I don't really care about groomer or hard snow performance - I'm looking for a good crud/powder ski for the heavy sticky Pacific NW snow. Any suggestions?
I'd suggest getting something with tip rocker for that PNW heavy crud snow. It makes initiating the turn much easier, especially with tele, and allows you to blast right through stuff that regular camber skis just can't handle. I ski these mounted with Hammerheads, and in heavy crud and sticky snow they tend to get a little hard to manage...
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Can Prophet 100s really "pop" on groomers?
Can Prophet 100s really "pop" on groomers?
I have K2 Axis ModX (not pro) in 188 (those are 107-70-97, 16mm side). Me - 57, 5'11", 165. Mostly annual (Feb) week of skiing in SLC. Ski most of the mountain, including as much as possible "modest" pow. Not so much chutes, aggressive trees, bumps, and no park. The K2's have so much energy when on groomers that I can modulate them up to getting thrown around. So they can be energetic but still well behaved with modest input. Tried other mids and fats, and mostly they have been "dead". AC50s were close, but not enough rebound without major input. I missed demoing the Prophet 100s at Alta this season. Everyone seems to love the Prophet 100s, and they sound practically perfect overall. But that one issue of rebound "pop" doesn't seem to be clearly discussed, probably because these aren't really meant for mainly groomer use. I'd really appreciate feedback on how much you need to load them up to get them to throw you around.
they are awesome ski i have them they rock pow and shred the groomers i think one of the best all mountain fat skis
Wondering if I should get the 179 or the...
Wondering if I should get the 179 or the 186. I'm 6'0", 185 lbs, strong skier who skis the whole mountain comfortably, but definitely not an expert. I'm out 10-12 times a year in BC/Alberta.
Will the 186 be too much ski in the trees? Will I find the speed limit of the 179? Thanks for the help.
It depends on what you want out of the ski. I am a little heavier than you at 185 and skied the 179cm for a season. LIke above I wished I had the 186cm since the 179 is VERY turny at my weight, but in super tight and steep that turny feeling was great but everywhere else it took away from the stability especially in crud. It is a GREAT ski and I just sold my 179's and will probably replace them with the 186.
The best ive ever skied
I recently went on vacation to squaw valley and demoed these skis for three days because my skis are crap. I was on the 165's and for me (im 6 foot and 170 pounds) they were a little too short. The terrain at squaw is really steep and was pretty icy when i was there so the short skis were nice for jump turns. I hiked up granite cheif (the tallest mtn there) and took some awesome powder runs in the and they floated suprisingly well. I took them in the park and pipe and they dont really compare to park only skis but were still pretty awesome. The metal core was the coolest thing i have ever skied with. There was sooooo much pop in the skis that i could get air off the tiniest bumps and moguls. In the crud and grommed they made the sickest turns and i they sprayed my buddy alot too!
Overall the best skis ive ever skied on and now i just need around $600 so i can buy myself some :)
Ok, since this is a staff favorite for...
Ok, since this is a staff favorite for alpine touring do you have any suggestions/preferences on mounting location for a pair of dynafit FT12's. Ski length 186, will be used about 50/50 resort/touring (some extensive. Thanks!
Another length question. I am 6'1" and...
Another length question. I am 6'1" and 215 lbs. Currently sking 203 cm type g Dynastar racing skis. These will be my first fat/parabolic. I mainly ski Alta/Brighton, Tahoe, Baldy (southern Cal). I bought the 203cm ski cheap right after the parabolic revolution and mounted them a few years later. Ready to move on to a more versitile and floaty ski for powder. Question is 186 or 179? My only concern is the hookiness people regard as a drawback. Also, does anyone have a problem with these skis holding an edge in either fast slalom or gs turns in icy conditions. Thanks for any free input.
I'm 5'7 and ski the 172 Prophet 100. The ski has a tight radius and is easy to turn so skiing the longer ski should be no problem especially if you ski deep powder or open slopes above the trees where I noticed that the tail tends to cave in easily if you lean a little bit too much backwards and are going for big turns, also because the recommended mounting point is pretty far back.
I would go for the 186 if you ski open slopes and deep powder often, I'm using my ski mainly in the trees and there it makes up for a lot of fun having the short one.
Skiing on groomers with this ski is easy and you can literally carve your way down (not in comparison to a real carving ski or race ski, that's again a whole different story), this skis carve if you ski them gently and without using too much power; in icy conditions I wouldn't use the ski anyways but if you take care of your edges they'll hold without big problems.
At 6'2" 160lbs, I ski the 186's and have no complaints. They are very stable, yet nible edge to edge. The 'hookiness' may take some getting used to after a skiing on a non-shaped ski, but I guarantee the first time the first time you have to make a sharp turn to avoid an obstacle of some sort, you will immediately appreciate it. 186s for sure.
Line Prophet 100 in 179 or 186? or Salomon...
Line Prophet 100 in 179 or 186? or Salomon Shogun in 182?
I'm 6'1" and 230, bad/braced left knee. Main ski is a B2 (176?), but I am looking for something when the B2s are too narrow and too soft. I LOVE powder skiing, but around here (Calgary/Banff) pow turns to tracked pow by 10 am and to chop by lunch. More into trees and short-medium turns in soft snow, not hucking and figure 11s. I know Line is supposed to ski smaller than the length, but woudl 186 still be quick enough for shorter turns and fairly tight trees?
skied them yesterday in chopped up heavy powder. much turnier on groomed than i would have thought. Handled chopped powder well. A little chattery at super high speeds on groomers and it makes me think the tip is a little soft. I was pleasantly surprised with how well they skied and how versital they were.
BTW, I'm 6'3" 205lb and skied the 186's. 179 will be too short for you.
I am 5'9'' 200lbs and can't decide between...
I am 5'9'' 200lbs and can't decide between the prophet 90 and the 100. I ski East Coast and have never been out West but want to change that (obviously) but I would probably only go out there 1-2 time a year. Would it be completely idiotic to buy this ski over the 90's??
Really...there is not a huge difference between the 90s and the 100s. The 90s will be slightly better in the bumps. The 100s may be slightly better at carrying you on powder days. I would go with the 90s since you will be skiing mostly in the east. The 90s also will serve you adequately during the weeks you are experiencing killer powder days at Snowbird or on Kachina Peak in Taos--the 100s would be slightly better. But, again, in your situation, the 90s will serve you better all around. Either way, go for the 186 length, or for another line of skis, check out PM Gear, Moment, DPS, or Blue House.
The Line Prophet 100's do everything you can hope for with a fat all-mountain ski. They can cruise through any condition, expecially booming through crud. They are not the most nimble skis out there but that is because they have 100mm under foot.
Hey, I just got a pair of Line Prophet...
Hey, I just got a pair of Line Prophet 100's in 179 length for a good price. I'm 6' and 175 lbs. My question is will that be too short? Should I have poneyed up more cash and bought the 186's? I ski mostly back bowls, trees and bumps in Colorado. Also, I got a set of Rossignol freeski2 120 bindings. Will those be OK on these skis or should I have spent a little more and got Marker Griffins? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I am about your same size and have spent lots of time on both the 179 and the 186. There was not a ton of difference, most days I actually perfered the 179 because they were a little easier to throw around and in general they were more versatile. I think you'll be happy with that set up including the bindings.
Thanks Andrew. Really appreciate it. Can't wait to get em mounted and try them out. I think it's been snowing up in Breck for the past few days so conditions should be sweet.
I am 6' 180 and have the 186's with Marker Jesters and really like the setup. I really have no complaints of the 186's, but if I had to say anything negative it is that they are slightly too long...maybe the 179's would have been better for me.
Joel...you'll be fine on the 179s. Enjoy a kick a__ ski!
Trying to decide between the Mantra's and...
Trying to decide between the Mantra's and line prophet 100's. Also what length. I am 5'11, 200#. Would ski these mainly in Utah 7-15 days a year. Mainly ski in po when available, or trees and some crud.
As I said in my review below, the Prophet 100 is a good ski for almost any condition. But also, as I said, I like the Line Blend more, because it has a more forgiving geometry and flex, which I think makes it a better one ski quiver. It's still 100mm underfoot, but the nose shape is more subtle and forgiving- it doesn't hook in to the turns as much as the P 100. The Mantra's are much stiffer, and less forgiving than both the Line's. That said, the Mantra's are highly praised by Volkl lovers. I personally find that the Mantra is more of a race ski, and doesn't have much forgiveness and playfulness. If you like to really lay in the lines, and ski aggressively, then the Mantra would be excellent.
The great thing about the Line's is that it has multiple turn radii, which makes it predictable and maneuverable through any condition. As far as length goes, I'd choose the 183 if you choose the Blend, 186 if you choose the Prophet 100, (at 160lbs, I thought the 179 was too short,) and the Mantra at 191. 184 would be okay in the Mantra, too, but you'll appreciate some extra length in the deep stuff, and if you like to go fast.
I know everybody says don't down size with...
I know everybody says don't down size with the prophet 100. But with a tele setup at 6' and 180 would yo use the 179 or the 186. I would primarily use this ski in trees and pow when available but probably crud. I am trying to decide between these and bd verdict
Totally personal preference. I am about your size in weight, and a little shorter than you. For alpine I would feel like a 179 is too short, but if you ride tele and love trees you may like the 179. Up to you though for sure.
I'm 6' and 160 lbs, and skied the 179 for a season. It handled well in about all conditions, with Hammerhead bindings on them. I was pretty stoked until I tried the 186 with HH's. The 186 was a lot better in the deep snow, and went faster on groomers and chop. I didn't notice any more difficulty maneuvering in tight spots with the added length, and was really wishing I had gone longer.
The other problem I had was that the Prophet was just too hooky. I think the Line Blend is a better choice because it is more forgiving and has a symmetrical flex, whereas the Prophet has a slightly softer tail, and more side cut. The softer Blend would be a better choice for telemark skiing because it has a rounder flex, and more forgiving geometry. Go long, though. 179cm was short for me, so I would guess it would be for you, as well.
consistent, but hooky
I thought these skis were pretty good all season last year. I rode them in every kind of condition possible. I put more than sixty days on them. Through all of that they were consistent and reliable. Predictable on hard-pack and in fresh, they were great. I rode the 179, and at 160lb, and 6 feet, I mostly remained on the top. If the slope angle dropped, though, I'd wallow. Should have gotten a ski taller than me.
The other complaint I have is that this ski is too hooky. The contact points are very far out on the tip and tail. This is great for carving, but I feel that the tips catch a bit too soon. This might be taken care of by detuning the edges, but it in the crud and thick powder, the tips still seemed to hook in and make tighter radius turns than I wanted. Good for cliff stomps, and switch landings, though.
Good consistency, but I think I'd go for the Blend, as it has a softer nose shape.
Warning: This ski will turn you into a powder hound.
I skied a 170cm, 65cm waist Volkl before this and I was considering going a size shorter for snowkiting. After I read all of the reviews saying that the prophets ski a lot shorter than they measure, I decided to go with the 172's. The reviews were right, I think I would have been quite comfortable on the 179's (I'm 5'8" 170lbs). If you are trying to decide between sizes, definitely go long. I know you read a lot of reviews about how short is better these days but that does not apply to this ski. Go longer, you will appreciate the extra float and stability.
The prophets are a little slow edge to edge on groomed runs due to the wide waist. This felt awkward at first but after a couple of days of skiing, I was used to the feeling and it was no longer an issue. This is not at all noticeable in powdery conditions. They are easy to turn and quite a bit faster than I was expecting on groomed runs. At higher speeds they can be a bit squirrely when not on edge, especially in icy conditions. I'm sure that a longer ski would help with this.
This is definitely where the prophets shine. These skis are an absolute joy to ride in powdery conditions, the float is phenomenal and they are surprisingly maneuverable. Be warned that you will find yourself constantly searching out powder if you buy these skis.
I have found that the key factor here is ice. The performance is not great in icy crud or icy bumps, it's not terrible, but not great either. Those conditions are not my cup of tea anyway. In powdery crud and bumps the prophets perform great.
Overall, I would say that the prophet is really close to a one ski quiver. They can definitely get by skiing in icy conditions but on really poor days when this is all I expect to see, I'll break out the Volkls.
* relatively light weight.
* excellent maneuverability.
* phenomenal float.
* They like to go fast.
* squirrely in icy conditions at high speeds (possibly not an issue with longer skis).
Great One ski quiver for the east, but little hooky in bad snow and tight spots.
These Prophet 100 / Karhu Team 100 rips down crud, bumps, pow and especially groomers. Make sure you size up because they ski really, really short (186 measures 183 and with the twin it skis more like a 178). Check out the complete review here http://frsk.me/ds
Great All Around Performance, a little skinny for the deep stuff
I telemark on these in the 186 (well, the Karhu Team 100s, but the same ski with a different topsheet), mounted with Hammerheads and on Scarpa T-Races. I'm 6'2" and 165lbs. Skied these early season on pure ice, and they grip and edge surprisingly well on the hard stuff. Skied them yesterday on 36 inches of fresh pow, and they did great, despite the skinny waist. Really quick edge to edge, very comfortable at speed, felt really stable and powerful. The snow was a little heavy, so in the morning I was looking for a little more flotation, but as it became chopped up and bumpy, the skis really came into their element. I felt like I could just point and go, got bounced around a little bit, but always with a feeling of control. Highly recommended.
I'm 5'6 140 lbs and a level 7-8 skier. I...
I'm 5'6 140 lbs and a level 7-8 skier. I am looking for a pair of all mountain skis to supplement a pair of 160 cm 68mm carvers that are really only good on groomers.
I'm trying to decide between the prophet 90 and 100. I know the 100 is better for pow, but I'll probably be going 50/50 pow on average, and only bring out the carvers for pure groomer days. I'm not sure if I should go with the 90 or 100, and what length. I was thinking 172 or 179 for the 90, or 172 for the 100. Help would be greatly appreciated!
the ski is an ease choice. i would go with the 100. these are one of the most versatile skis i have ever skied on. as for length i would need to know more of what you are looking for. if you like big lines with long GS turns the 179 is the ski for you. if you like a little quicker ski then look at the 172. this won't give you quite the float, but it will be a killer tree ski and quick turner. so it depends on where you are skiing and what you like to ski. but the 100 is the way to go.
well the local mountains here in so.cal don't really get much powder, and I doubt I would use the Lines for that. Next year I am moving north for school and will mainly be skiing Tahoe or other similar areas. I don't do too much trees yet, and when I turn tight and fast, it is on groomers since my current skis don't even handle pow. I'm starting to lean for the 179s. Thanks for your help.
I am 6ft and a level 7 skier. i am 140lbs...
I am 6ft and a level 7 skier. i am 140lbs and im debating whether to get last years model of the line prophet 100 in a 172 thats 60% off or this years prophet 100 in a 179 full price.
Depends on what you are gonna use them for. If you are gonna use them in the powder a lot I would go with the 179s for sure. But if you want to get a good discount, maybe go with a different ski and get the right size.
Save the money. You weigh nothing, you'll have plenty of surface area with the 72's. Where do you ski?
I have been skiing in Montana for 24 years and somehow I have no idea what a level 7 skiier is. Could somebody let me know please!
Description: You are comfortable and confident on all blue square and easier black diamond terrain, including moderate moguls and ungroomed snow. You can modify your technique and tactics from a growing quiver of options, linking dynamic carved turns with consistent rhythm on blue groomed terrain. Skiers usually ski parallel, with effective pole use. Snowboarders can mix carved and skidded turns.
What to expectdepending on your needs and goals:
- Continue to refine balance and develop skills and versatility.
- Learn to manage the changing forces of higher speed short, medium, and long carved turns, and uneven terrain.
- Explore tactics and technique options for enjoying the whole mountain, including moderate moguls, steeps, powder, racing, carving, crud, ice, or freestyle.
I'm coming from Rossi Bandit XX 177s. Loved...
I'm coming from Rossi Bandit XX 177s. Loved the XX in fresh powder and front side. But when Colorado powder turns to tracked up crud they get squirrely and feel like my old straight, racing 210s. I'm 6' and 180 lbs., skied for 34 years and still love the powder. No more racing speeds or hucking due to an aging knee injury. I know the twin tips make the Prophet 100 ski shorter but like everyone else asking, should I go 179 (I'm not getting younger) or 186 (My racing background sometimes leads to aggressive skiing). Thanks.
The prophet 100 is one of the easiest skis to ski in every condition i've ever been on. It floats well in powder due to its really wide tip and waist. It has a layer of titanal (the metal matrix) and has quite a bit of camber, that combination makes it bite really well and makes it really responsive on hardpack. Either length won't have that issue of gettin squirrely in crud, because they are a much more stable ski than your bandits. The 186 with the added length is obviously going to be more stable. According to line the running surface is 155cm for the 186 and 148cm for the 179. So the extra 7 cm of length does equate to 7cm more of running surface. Also, the turn radius is 18.9m on the 186 versus 17.2m on the 179. Both are relatively tight, so you will be able to make a variety of turn shapes. If you are coming from a 177, you will probably be more comfortable on the 179. But at your height and weight, you are better suited for the 186 and will probably feel the 179 is too short over time. One of the most common complaints about this ski is when opting for the shorter models (172, 179) people say they should have gone longer. I've skied both lengths and liked them both. The 179 was more fun, and definitely more nimble. It was easier to throw around in the woods and off windlips, cat tracks, etc. The 186 was more stable, floated better in pow, and absolutely tore up wide open terrain. My only complaint about the 186, was that for me at 5'8" 160, as responsive as it was, 186cm was still a lot of ski (for me) to turn well(it was hard work), when the bumps and trees got tight.
Tabrys is right: go 186. I'm your size, bought the 179s, and absolutely wish I'd picked up the 186s. The 179s are a lot of fun, but you will almost certainly want more ski. Excellent in tight trees, certainly soft enough for bumps, but are you really going to be skiing a lot of bumps anyway on this ski, with the 134mm shovels?
Has anyone thrown telemark bindings on...
Has anyone thrown telemark bindings on these? Any recommendations?
I have tele bindings on the Karhu Team 100s, which are the exact same ski with a different top sheet. They rip. I use Hammerheads, but it depends on what boot you have. If you've got a T-Race or Custom, I'd go Hammereheads, they pair up nicely with stiff boots to provide a lot of power and control. If you're into touring, Black Diamond O1s. You can check out the factory mounting recommendations here: http://karhuskico.com/images/tech/karhu_techbulletin_0910.pdf. Use the measurements from the Team 100. The numbers refer to mms measured from the tail along the surface of the ski to pin line of the bindings.