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The Liberty Helix has good skiing written into its DNA. This versatile twin-tipped specimen was bred to dominate big mountains, deep snow, hardpack, groomers, and jumps. With a 105 waist and mini-rockered tips and tails, the Helix hits the sweet spot for pow-loving, all-mountain capable performance. Liberty started with a lightweight, Earth-friendly bamboo core, wrapped it in a quadaxial fiberglass weave for responsive flex, and finished things off with UHMW sidewalls and bomb-proof, oversized HRC 48 edges that refuse to dent, break, or blow out. The result is a quiver of one that’s as resilient as a mutt, looks like a purebred, and takes best in show.
This is a five star ski. I mounted it tele in traditional position. Skis great with 22 Designs Axls! Perfect "quiver of one" ski for the Cottonwood Canyons.
Hey Guys, does anyone know what I should do..... I bought my son twin tip Liberty skis at our local ski swap. Used but looked great. I would bet money they don't even have 50 hours of ski time on them. Less then 8 hours on them the back tip is splitting apart. The warranty no longer applies, so now what???
Give Chris a call at 866-754-5423. Liberty is the only manufacturer to offer 3 year warranty and they stand behind! It should be a breeze to get it sorted.
Have you contacted Liberty or are you conceding they are no longer covered?
I ask as I had a warranty issue with a pair of Liberty's and it was probably one of my greatest customer experiences. Give'em a call and find out if they will do anything for you.
After 10 days on the 176s I don't have a single complaint. Super light, crazy stable, great pop. Skis pretty short, but not in a bad way. Enough cut and camber to rail them on groomed snow, fat enough to float in the deepest snow (I'm 140 lbs) and it has been deep in the Wasatch this year! Mounted to match the standard mount line (at Liberty's recommendation) and wouldn't change that.
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I have the 09-10 Liberty Helix 187. This is my new favorite ski! My old favorite was the AK Maden. The Helix is soooo much lighter than the AK and is one of the most playful and poppy skis I have ever been on. I am gonna say it has a medium flex with a stiffer tip than tail. There is almost no camber and no early rise tip (even though some reviews mention this). I mounted it .5cm back from standard and it has no problems floating even though the mount still looks a lil forward. It charges much better than the Madens and floats almost as well. The topsheets are also very durable thanks to the slanted sidewalls. I'm not really sure I can find a problem with this ski.
I was wondering if anyone knew if this ski would be ok in the East? I'm getting back into skiing big time and have at least one trip to CO planned for Feb, but will need to log some hours in VT, NH, ME before heading out. Are these going to work in those conditions?
I am 5'10", 160 lbs, and an advanced, not expert skiier. I will be skiing in Colorado mostly Copper, Winterpark, and steamboat about 75% of the time, and about 25% backcountry. recommendations on sizing these skis?
I'm very similar in size and weight and I love the 187, for easier turning, you might want to go with the 176. The ski shorter than they are due to the elongated tip and tail, so the 187 feels more like a 184'ish. Plus they are the lightest wood core skis out there, which makes them even easier to turn. It really depends on what type of lenght you're used to.
After a few days off the arm at Baker and heavy inbounds riding I've come to the realization that this is one of the most versatile Camber/zero Camber, all mountain skis on the market. The Helix can handle speed yet maneuverable enough to throw sideways or arc when needed. They load up quickly and can handle a steady edge in hairy situations (thanks to a solid factory tune). My one complaint is they deflect more than some reviews stated. Turned up chunder and mashed hot pow, they just don't plow through like a stormrider or Titan, but those skis don't come close to the playfulness or agility of the the Helix. All in all, a solid ski. A daily driver at 105 underfoot is pretty badass. My last ski like this was the Volkl Bridge at 92 underfoot. Liberty Helix is a westcoast shredmachine.
Just took these out for the first time (176's) -- east coast packed powder. Oskar is absolutely spot on. Quick and lively. I thought I'd be giving this up with a wider ski. Fun in bumps and solid and comfortable at cruising speeds. They are going with me to Wyoming and Colorado in a few weeks. My stats are F, 5'8", 145lb.
These skis will make great huge turns, or be quick edge to edge, whichever you prefer. They're pretty stiff tortionnally, but very even flex from tip to tail. No metal plate, so you get the true flex of the Bamboo & Poplar core! Super lively.
These are simply amazing in all conditions. They float amazingly well in deep powder and respond great on harder stuff. For more flotation, go to the Double Helix.The lightest wood core skis on the market, backed up by the best warranty (3years). Plus Liberty is a very environmentally friendly brand; they own their own windmills, and use Bamboo which is a renewable ressource.
I cannot decide between Salomon Shogun 173 and Liberty Helix 176. I am 169, advanced skier, looking for versatile all-mountain ski which can also work well on groomers when necessary. Will use them with Marker Baron bindings. Except for the width both skis seem quite similar - almost equal in weight, bamboo core, mini-rocker. As far as I know both models remain unchanged for 2011 season. What actually are the differences and which is better for me?
I'm not too familiar with the Helix but Liberty has traditionally produced decent product.
As for the Shogun, it's a great choice for all-mountain versatility. Consider it the best dimensional ski for all conditions.
One of the biggest difference, aside from a few mm's of widths, would be the Liberty ski is considered sandwhich construction (sidewalls) and the Salomon has their monocoque (cap) construction. The differences of these types of construction are arguably not a big deal for performance but a very distinctive difference.
The Helix is like an ATV - I can take it backcountry, deep and steep, frontside, groomers, even the halfpipe. They are as fast as my race skis, if you can believe it - ok, my race skis are way to short for me now, but they are fast. If you hang out in Western Canada they are awesome, and I see more and more of them here. I have also seen a ton in the US Rockies as well. I wish I had these new graphics - I have the ones from last year, but what the heck, they're a great ski.
I mounted them at standard, but then I moved them up slightly by adjusting the binding, not by redrilling - I found that to be the best setting for me - maybe like the poster just before me. What he says about the bamboo core is right on. Anyway it's a great ski 5 out of 5.
Hi there. I'm interested in a set of 176 Helixes as a do it all ski. Is there any noticeable difference between the 08/09 and 09/10 ski ? I've found some 08/09 ones reduced to nearly half RRP, but am unsure if the older ones have the slight tip and tail rocker the current ones are supposed to have. Rocker seems to be appearing on a lot of back/side country skis. Is it worth having?
I'm not sure on the 09 model having tip rocker, but tip rocker is definitely worth having. Early rise tips make for a much better ski in soft and variable snow. It is much more forgiving and plows over chunky, cut up snow. Think about it: A cambered ski adds pressure to the forward and back points of the ski, so when the tip encounters bumps, it works actively against the chop by pressing into it. With an early rise tip, your ski tip planes over the bumps, smoothing the ride. It's amazing that this is just getting recognition by "normal" skiers. Early rise will make you a better skier. Enjoy!
My all mountain ski, and these things do it all. Real stiff so they blast crud, fat enough to get good float in the pow, they handle the groomers easily. Super fun, fast skis. Take em in the trees all day long, ski the east wall at ABasin, they do it all.
Anyone ski these? Looking at a good go to ski in Colorado when there is no significant fresh powder. Need it for groomers, crud, trees, and a some bumps. I have JJs for powder and ARVs for bumps so want something in between.
these things are absurd in a foot of pow. I am 6'1" and picked these up ion a 176 for a trip to Big Sky. I loved them. They float like boats in the bowls. Ripping through trees on these is a pleasure, so nimble and so quick.
Put them out on crud however, and I had some qualms. I am a ski racer by default and while I expect a pair of powder boards to be unstable compared to a set of race skis at moderate (30-40 mph) speeds through chopped groomers and skied-off pow, I found these to be a bit too unstable. Back off a bit on the speed and they are fine, but get a hair outside of their operating range and the world gets a whole lot scarier.
But on the smooth and silky, praise be to the snow gods... they are GOOD. I have not tested the 180+ size and I would expect the longer pair to be a bunch more stable.
Great skis in powder, super light, and they still rock on the groomers and harder pack. You have to keep them in a proper turn, otherwise they will rattle if you bum wash'em or speed check too much! Very nice flex all the way through! Overall thumbs up for one of the best overall skis. Although the Double Helix is probably even better!
I have a pair of the helix and they are great for powder and ok on groomers (stiff in bumps). I skied a pair of K2 Obsethed and liked them for a better overall ski, but the Helix was unbelievable in 1-2 feet of fresh pow.
I got this ski last year as a bigger powder ski for the Utah Wasatch fully expecting to use my K2 Recons as a daily driver. I was wrong, this ski is absolutely amazing in every condition from fast huge turns on hardpack, playful in the tight trees, floats great in deep powder, gives incredible control on crust and crud, handles the bumps fine... I loved this ski so much that I bought a 2nd pair at the end of last season and mounted them with telemark bindings with the same amazing result. And they are LIGHT! I would recommend these for anyone as goto boards.
I'm trying to decide what size Helix I should buy. I am an East Coaster - advanced/expert current ripping on Elan 888 (178) with good success. If I go to the Helix, should I go with the 187 or 176? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
if you are over 6" and dont plan on spinning these in a park too often, hit up the longer pair. see my post above for my thoughts about the 176's stability in choppy snow.
This is my everyday stick...ice, hard pack, bumps, crud, park, and definitely big lines and powder. I ride mostly around summit county and mounted these with a standard alpine set up, although they are light enough that I might get another pair next year for a touring ski.
It's a little bit bigger than I usually ride (5'10, 175, usually ride around 183) so it took a little getting used to, but now I'm totally satisfied. The length and stiffness keep it super stable through crud and manky snow; this is probably the most stable ski I've been on, but I certainly haven't ridden everything out there. Despite being so stable, the bamboo gives it a nice snap that make it a complete riot in trees and tight places. It absolutely kills powder, although you have to get it up to speed before turning too much. I have more fun on hardpack with these than with carving skis; you just have to commit enough to get them up on edge. They require more work in bumps, that's for sure, and if they added just a little more rocker next year it could make the ski that much better
Overall, a great ski that I love to ride every day. Skis fast, Skis hard; just get used to going straight more than you turn.
better late than never...08-09 had a ptex 4000 base; the 09-10's have been downgraded to 2000. No big deal. The 09-10's get a thin rubber layer under the top sheet to aid in reducing chipping (works fantastic as I can attest having owned 08-09's and now the 09-10's).
Otherwise identical in all regards. Apparently Liberty is keeping it the same for 10-11 as well.
I need a ski that lets me float better in the sidecountry and glades but one that still lets me hit up the groomers that take me there. I mainly ski at Baker and Crystal in WA when Im at school so I need to be able to stay above the Northwest creat. When I go home, the ski needs to be able to be light enough that I dont get annoyed with um when I hike up to Kachina Peak at Taos (or King and Queens at Crystal). Looking at either the Liberty Helixes or the K2 Coombacks. Any help would be great.
Been skiing the Helix´s last spring and this winter in Finland and Sweden, freeheeled. I can say these things rip! They are light to throw around in tight stuff and jumps, float well in pow. But stiff and energetic feeling on groomers. I was surprised how well they handle the groomers, they´ve got really responsive pop on them. Tried the Coombas too, but found them feeling damp and dull. Coombas might be bit better in pow and crud because of the rocker on tip, but not sure. Overall, I totally recommend getting these over Coombacks. They are really versatile skis.
I spend over 120 days a year on the snow and own 12 pairs of skis so I hope it means something when I say that 9 days out of ten I'm on these sticks. I love them and depend on them. I don't always get to choose where and when I ski, so it's a huge deal to find a ski that confident and fun on waist deep steeps, can rip crud and still works great on edge in the corduroy. All mountain doesn't even describe my needs in a ski and I'm hooked.So to sum it up for me, I have 9 pairs of skis for sale and the helix isn't one of them. Anybody want to trade there double helix for 9 pairs of skis?
I've been looking at these for my everyday ski to complement my Lhasa Pow 186s. Anyone care to comment? I live in CO, 5'10" and 170 lbs. Was going to put some Dukes on these and use them for touring as well.
Its Vince, your friendly UT Liberty Rep here: My neighbor has his 187's set up for touring and loves them. I rock the Double Helix 182s tele and they are perfect for the backcountry deep we get in Utah.
These stix are my bread and butter! I discovered them early last season and haven't looked back since! From the early season crap, winter deep and spring crud, these our my go to ski! My winters are spent 40% backcountry and 60% in bounds and it is great to be able to rely on one pair. Move over Gotama cause the Helix has now entered the room!
I have now spent two days testing the 187 Liberty Helix here in the early Wasatch season, and could not be more stoked on the performance. After riding a 182 Line Mothership as my everyday ski for nearly seven seasons, I decided it was time to upgrade, and I landed on the Helix. I love the sidewall construction, as well as the response and feel of the Bamboo core. I would not rate myself as an overly powerful skier as I come in at 5'10" and approximately 140 lbs. This is the longest ski I have ridden in some time, and did not have any trouble with the swing weight or stiffer flex of the Helix. It does not feature a true twin tip, like my old Line's (Helix is more of a directional twin), which I like, as the ski runs a bit longer for me. My two day test period featured everything from soft to icy on piste conditions, as well as shallow (2 to 3") powder conditions. Like a previous review says, the Helix truly does it all. A+ on carving ability, and edge hold on firm to icy snow (it never really gets that icy here in Utah), as well as good float in more shallow powder at 105 underfoot. I have the Armada ARG for deeper days, so I was looking at the Helix to be my ski for those other days. Let's be honest, how much fun is reverse camber on groomers? The Helix met all of my expectations for this ski's purpose in my quiver, and I am looking forward to spending a good amount of time skiing them for seasons to come. If you are looking for something new, plus supporting a smaller manufacturer, look no further than what Liberty has to offer.
This is my all time favorite ski. In terms of flex and dimensions it's perfect for an everyday ski. The mini rocker is just enough to get a little extra float in powder while still letting it perform well on groomers. I have mine at 2 centimeters behind center and they shred well anywhere from the trees to the park to pow to booters. After skiing a ski with a bamboo core, I don't think i'll ever go back to traditional wood again. Liberty killed it with this one!
Beware, once you get on the Double, you'll never go back. Still rolls over like the Helix on the pack, but oh daddy, the float on its 121 waist is... ahhh! Maybe not made for the park, but neither am I.
Helix is a great big mountain all around ski! In Utah we have many big pow days as well as the need for a versitale ski to carve nice turns on groomers and bust crud. It is damp, but not lifeless, nor overly snappy. Thus is a good everyday ski and also is nice in the backcountry given it's light weight. I'll buy again.
This is a five star ski. I mounted it tele in traditional position. Skis great with 22 Designs Axls! Perfect "quiver of one" ski for the Cottonwood more...
After 10 days on the 176s I don't have a single complaint. Super light, crazy stable, great pop. Skis pretty short, but not in a bad way. Enough more...