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Got two pairs to try, normally wear a size...
Got two pairs to try, normally wear a size 12 hiking boots, have wide feet.
1. 45.5 outer with a 45.5/46.0 inner
2. 46.5 outer with a 46.5/47.0 inner.
-How much space should I have on the side of my feet at the widest part? It is not tight, but snug.
-How much toe space should I have?
If I kick a wall in the 45.5 outer, my toes will not hit the front, but my toes will notice where the front is. They will slide forward as I keep on kicking. I have about 1 finger width space in the front of the liner.
In the 46.5 I have about 2 fingers space in the front of the liner and will never even notice the front of the boot.
I do not want to get a boot that is too big.
Will heat moulding make more space in the toe area if I allow enough space with a toe cap?
I am wearing a thin liner and Heavy Smartwool socks.
La Sportiva Baruntse Mountaineering Boot
Going through the list of reviews I am...
Going through the list of reviews I am coming to an understanding that to properly size my boot I must order up to three different pairs to see which one fits best (no suppliers near me). Well, I can't shell out that kind of money right now and I would like to get as close as possible on the size on the first try. Across the board I am a size 10.5; climbing shoes, sneakers, hiking boots. I have a pair of LS Xplorers that are size 44 and fit just fine. Not too big, not too small. Would a 44 be an appropriate place to start? Can anyone give me a comparison of their street shoe size to the Baruntse's?
If there aren't any suppliers near you, I would order the 44.5 (US 11). Try it with thick socks and potentially an insole. If it doesn't fit after a few trips around the house, then work with BC on a return. Hope this helps.
Thanks Jeff. I'll see what BC can do for me.
Dear Bryan, i'm facing a similar conundrum. What size did you eventually end up getting?
I actually have yet to purchase a pair because I really need to try them on. In a couple of weeks I will be in CO and will try on a pair.
planning on climbing mt bona(16,421ft)in...
planning on climbing mt bona(16,421ft)in alaska soon, and planned on wearing these boots. the company i would be going with suggested i have an overboot and im not a fan of overboots. so the question is should i just go with and 8000 meter boot like the olympus mons or should i just go with a different company and just wear the baruntse's?
You've gotta assume they know what they're doing, so if they recommend an overboot, and you hate them, use a warmer boot like the Olympus Mons or Phantom 8000. Did they suggest, or demand that you wear overboots? You could just not wear them and tell the company you'll deal with it. I'd go with the warmer boots and protect your feet.
I need to replace a pair of plastic double...
I need to replace a pair of plastic double boots (an older model Asolo AFS 8000) with something new. I use my mountaineering boots for climbing on vertical ice and for multi-day, backcountry winter treks in the New England mountains rather than high altitude mountaineering. Rainier is most likely the tallest glaciated peak I'll climb in the next five years. I just want to buy one boot to cover all my needs. Can the Baruntse fit the bill, or will I later be finding myself pining for the Nepal EVO GTX? (I can't afford to buy both, of course). Thanks all!
Mike, I think these boots would fit your needs. I would rather hike in the Nepals but these boots are warmer.
If you know what size you wear you can usually find these for about half the price on www.geartrade.com which sells excess and returned stock for Backcountry. But, they do not accept returns if they are the wrong size.
i found the instructions for heat molding...
i found the instructions for heat molding these confusing. not sure what toe cap hight is, or what a foot bed is (that aka a insole?) if anyone as clearer instructions id be in your debt, thx.
The foot bed is the insole. I have no idea what those crazy Italians mean by "top-cap." The procedure is pretty standard for molding liners:
You'll want to use a convection oven to make sure the liners heat evenly. Preheat to 250º. Place the liners in the oven - I've heard on a foil-lined cookie sheet, but I've used the bare rack without issue - for 10-15 minutes. You want them to look puffed up like a marshmallow.
While they're heating, prep your feet. I like to use the same socks I'll be using in the boots later to get the right fit. Put a neoprene toe cap on under the sock. If you don't have toe caps, you can make them out of whatever you have around the house. The point is to spread your toes a little bit to give them room once the boot cools. I've used cotton balls and packaging tape.
Also, grab a 2x4 out of the garage and put it on the floor.
When the liners are heated up, pull them out, toss your footbeds in there and put them on your feet, cranking the inner laces. Then shove your liner-clad feet into the boots, being careful to keep them straight and not snag them on anything. Lace them like you normally wear them, kick your heels to get them set into the boots, and stand with the toes of the boots on the 2x4 for about 10 minutes. At the end of the 10 minutes, pull your feet out, tie the boots back up, and let them sit until they cool entirely.
Also, never listen to Italians. They'll try to steal your women.
thx dave, they turned out great, appreciate the advice.
Is this too much boot for ice/winter/spring...
Is this too much boot for ice/winter/spring mountaineering in the cascades, and summer trips on rainier/baker? i'm prone to cold feet.
Nick, these are a decent all-around boot and should work for your intended adventures. If you are prone to cold feet these should fix that.
Similar/follow up question: haven't received mine yet (I'm a very large size and haven't been able to try them on), but I'm curious if they'll be possibly ok for the trip up to Muir or should I still plan on carrying them up while I hike in something else. Typically I have to hike a very heavy backpacking boot anyhow due to trashed ankles. Thanks!
would these work for ecuadors volcanos?...
would these work for ecuadors volcanos? antisana(18,875ft, cotopaxi(19,347ft)and chimborazo(20,565ft)
great boots, they can do everything from hiking in to near vertical ice.
Does anyone know where you can buy replacement...
Does anyone know where you can buy replacement liners for the Baruntse from in the U.S.?
I'm thinking your best bet is straight through La Sportiva.
So I've tried on a few pairs of these and...
So I've tried on a few pairs of these and the fit is great except for under the arch of my foot. I've got moderately high arches and when feeling in the boot shell I can feel a rather pronounced dip right after the arch. I know this part won't change any, but will custom molding the liner or adding superfeet insoles help, along with breaking it in?
Maybe I'm just not a good fit for La Sportiva. Any feedback is appreciated.
I have low arches and I have similar issues with finding a good fit. Proper fitted insoles will help, but then the question is, will the boot then be too tight? I've found I either have to size up or find a wide width to make up fot it.
Before comitting, try them on with insoles you know will work for you, along with your regular liner/sock combination. The last thing you need is to cut off circulation in a cold enviornment.
Thanks for reply. I'm getting some superfeet insoles tomorrow and will see how they work with those. I think I'll stick to a half size bigger (as I ordered two and will send one back), since the boots have a nice way to tighten the upper ankle without tightening the toe box too much.
How are these for vertical ice climbing
How are these for vertical ice climbing
I haven't personally used them, but my local club rents them out for ice climbing and they seem to do really well. They have all the features you'd want in a ice climbing boot. My Scarpa Mont Blanc are similar and work great.
I recently picked up a pair of these. ...
I recently picked up a pair of these. What are you guys using to treat the stitching, the darker grey leather and the rubber rand?
You should not need much treatment if they are new
These Bad Boys are Awesome!
OK. Doing some background research I decided to try two sizes and then return the one I least like. I often wear size US 11 (men's) in street shoes. That depends. Some times I have to go larger. I have a pair of Asolo Fugitive backpacking boots that are size 11.5 I believe. They're fine but sometimes I wonder if I should have size 12. I mention all of this just so that you have more information on your possible sizing. Anyway, I decided to try the Baruntse in sizes 45.5 and 46. It turns out I prefer the 46, even though that just seems like it'd be way too super huge. I was tempted to go with the 45.5 (temptation probably stemming from my experience downsizing snowboard boots so that they fit better on the board). The 46 simply felt like there'd be fewer issues involving possible blisters, etc. I've taken them on a couple outings already and they stick well (after tightening the top laces a lot) and I have no blisters. 46 was definitely the way to go for me.
As far as the shoe itself goes, it's great! I'm very happy with it so far. It feels good and secure. I imagine it'd keep water out better than the Scarpa Inverno because there are no possible entry points for melted water. The liner's a little funky. Something on the liner agitates the top of my foot after a long day. It might be the tie-in point. I'm going to investigate it further and possibly modify it.
I'm having a similar issue to Brad. My...
I'm having a similar issue to Brad. My foot doesn't seem to touch the shell without the liner, but I'm getting slight pressure on the outside of my right foot when I use the liner. I'm hesitant to thermo-mold the liner, as I'm thinking of exchanging them for a half size larger. Does the shell break-in at all after time? It's got a lot more give than a plastic shell, but still not sure how much it'll form to a foot. Is this just something I can fix with the thermo-molding given that my foot isn't touching the shell without the liner? Thanks.
If the boot has pressure points, the thermo-molding may help - no guarantees. If your questioning if they are too small - tight even with your socks on, I would go with the larger size and if its a hair to big, cut a piece of a foot bed molding out to take up the space to eliminate wobble.
The boot needs to fit snug but not tight as it will not only be un-comfy, but cold.
Mold them, best money you'll ever spend. Just amke sure you have a professional do it for you.
Are there other liners available for the...
Are there other liners available for the Barunste boot that would be better suited for warmer climates? Thanks, Cullen.
The Baruntse line is incredibly warm. It should be supplied with the Spantik. You won't need more.
Warm enough for the Transantarctic Mountains
I used these boots for a months worth of stomping around the Transantarctic Mountains (at ~85ºS) during the austral summer.
Warm, very warm. I can't offer a temperature rating as that involves so many variables as to be somewhat meaningless. By comparison others in the region were using the Spantik, Arctis expes, bunny boots, Asolo 8000's, Scarpa Inverno etc. so I would say these boots offer comparable warmth as the other tried and tested cold weather boots. I usually wore one liner sock (wool or silk) and a medium to heavy weight wool sock, stayed hydrated, kept my core toasty warm, issues with water didn't apply to me (save for sweat). I wore these boots at various altitudes ranging from ~6000 feet to ~11000 feet. These boots were worn while traveling on rock, snow, and ice (but not ice climbing).
Sturdy. It was easy and comfortable to kick steps and walk around uneven terrain. No rolled ankles, minimal shin bang. A solidly constructed boot.
Light weight. Seriously light weight, you'd think the bunny boots were lined with lead after picking these up.
Good soles. Deep lugs, a nice heel, really gripped well onto rock and snow.
The lacing system is nice. I had thought about using the Spantiks, but that single thin cord made me nervous (seemed so delicate).
The PU-coating escapes me. The only obvious sign of wear is on the outside-facing PU-coated panel. My problem with this is once it abrades the PU-coating is basically gone and it seems like it is up to the owner of the boot to decide on repairs. No big deal in regards to boot maintenance, but why not make the exterior of the boot out of more "permanent" or abrasion resistant material and not something that will basically peel off on rocks? The remainder of the boot was exceptionally durable (except for the Cordura that underlies the PU, I'm not sure how well that will stand up to abrasion all by its lonesome).
Personally, the fit works for me. La Sportiva lasts tends to fit the shape of my foot better than Asolo (for example), but everyone is different. The boot has a large volume, but it is a double boot so no surprise there. The boot works very well with crampons, I used them only once and no complaints there.
The liners dry quickly, and I appreciate the "speed lacing" thing they have going with them. You can form fit the liners to your foot and brief "how to" directions come with the boot. I didn't, just didn't get around to it, but they fit very well and seemed to take shape to my foot over time. It is also not a chore to take the liners out of, or put them into the boot (I noticed that the plastic double boots were less forgiving in this regard).
Can someone tell me whether these are sold...
Can someone tell me whether these are sold in a size 38 or 38.5? I am a woman who wears a size 7 or 7.5 U.S. shoe and can not find a double boot in a comparable size. Help!!?
They make both sizes you are looking for. BC.com just doesnt appear to have any in stock...good luck
How do these compare in size to the Nepal...
How do these compare in size to the Nepal Evo? I own a pair of Nepal Evo in size 45 (which fit me perfectly with a liner and heavy mountaineering sock) and need to get a double boot for a trip to Alaska. Should I go with a 45 or a 45.5? I heard the cut on these is bit narrower. Any advice is appreciated.
I don't own these boots but I'm thinking of buying them.
I found this and I think it will be of help to you:
I own the Nepal Evo's which fit me perfectly. These were a bit to narrow for me on the sides of my feet by my pinky toe. Wish they fit exactly like the Evo's because the Evo's are perfect.
Think Nevo Evo as a dbl boot. Same fit, and almost the same climbing performance. Awesome boot!
Hello. I've got a slightly wider foot,...
Hello. I've got a slightly wider foot, and find that the La Sportiva Nepal Evo fits great. However, when I tried on the Baruntse, it seems really narrow, and pinched the outsides of both feet (something similar seemed to happen to another reviewer). A few questions: (i) is this a problem that simply heat thermo-molding the inners would likely fix? (ii) can the synethtic outer shell boots be "punched out" by a bootfitter in the same way that many plastic boot shells can be for people with wider feet?, or (iii) are there any other wider double boots other than big heavy plastic boots (e.g. Scarpa Inverno)? For example, do the Spantiks or the Scarpa 6000 seem to fit wider?
Take the liner out of the shell, put your foot into the empty shell, and "center" it. If you're touching the shell with your foot anywhere and a little wiggle won't fix it, molding the liner won't help you.
Yes good boot fitter can take these out a long ways. You'll be surprised.
Just an update on my posting,
I ended up getting the Barunste, and had the outer shells 'punched out' by a professional boot fitters. We went very slow and gradual -- he would punch them out a bit....I would try them out climbing...he's punch them out a bit more...I'd try them again....etc.
Eventually, he got them just right, and they climb and hike perfectly now. The 'punching out' process seemed to cause absolutely no damage to the boots, but we decided to go slow and in small increments, just to be sure.
I used this boots on the volcanoes in Ecuador up to 6,000m, and they were super warm and comfortable. I also use them for ice climbing in Canada when it's just too cold for my Nepal Evos, and they seem to climb technical ice just fine.
While not quite as nice to climb in as my Nepal Evo's, they're way more comfortable than my old Scarpa Invernos, and they seem super durable so far.
So bottom line - a great boot, and they seem to fit wide feet just fine with a bit of patient work with a boot fitter....
Bought these a second time and going to try widening with a custom boot fitter. Thanks for the idea! I hate Invernos!
Did not fit my foot
Did not fit my foot. I have Nepal Evos and the Spantiks and love both of these.
For me, these boots had a poor fit esp. over the dorsal surface of the foot. Lots of toe room though.
For more technical stuff, pay a fraction more and get superb technical cold boots: Spantik