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Haul-ass on the uphill, then switch to ski mode in a flash and attack the steeps. The G3 Onyx AT Binding seamlessly transfers boot-to-ski power and makes lightning-fast adjustments, so you can spend your time on-the-move rather than squatting, uselessly prodding, and cursing the binding-gods. To boot, G3 polished up the Onyx's program for the upcoming '10-'11 season: the binding is lighter, is extra-hard to kick off accidentally, and has a DIN range up to 12 on both front and back.

  • Ability to go from tour mode to ski mode without removing boot from binding
  • Mounting plate system means toe and heel attach to separate mounting plates (Tech system), so you get 33mm of adjustment and can maintain boot-center on the ski
  • High- and low-lift heel options are reliable and super-easy to engage with pole-basket
  • High-strength, forged aluminum components for a stiff, rigid connection between boot and binding, and binding and ski
  • Releasable with both forward-falling and lateral-twist settings
  • Serviceable binding for fixing in the field or getting parts replaced (serviceable with #1 Phillips, #3 posidrive, and torques T10, not included)

Bottom Line: Your Onyx awaits.

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Rating for this product: 3

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March 13, 2012

Finally RETURNING this item. I was attracted to this binding because of the ability to interchange main binding with base plates on a couple pairs of skis, which I'd eventually planned to do after a year using the G3 Onyx bindings. They worked well for me on the downhill (5'5" 135 lbs, not too aggressive a backcountry skier), but the plastic "steps" eventually came off. G3 does not have phone support. Through email support I eventually got a FREE replacement kit for the lost parts, but then the handle to switch between climbing and ski mode broke on one of the bindings. This piece was not replaceable... I could makeshift still use it, but in the end I am returning this itembecause I LOVE the durability and ease of use of the FRITSCHIS on my other skis.

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March 9, 2012

After only a few days on these the toepiece broke and refused to open.

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I want to put these AT bidings on my Atomic tele skis. They currently

I want to put these AT bidings on my Atomic tele skis. They currently have G3 tele bindings. Will it work to drill new holes for the AT bindings? Also, I want to make sure that these AT bindings will be small enough to work with 23.5 mondo size boots. Any ideas? Thanks!

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October 22, 2011

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The only concern about re-drilling is that you avoid making new holes immediately adjacent to the old ones. No problem on the sizing for smaller boots.

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October 23, 2011

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Rating for this product: 2

Ugh. Decent, not great.

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April 12, 2011

I've been using these bindings all season. I've been touring in the Wasatch backcountry and skiing at the Canyons. They've been good for short bc runs, no problem on groomers. A little play between my ski and my boot when I'm charging hard. I took them to Alaska for a couple days of skiing and they basically fell apart. My heels popped loose repeatedly, a toe pin sheared off in the threads, and I had to take them to a car mechanic in Valdez to have it drilled out. Bummer. It can be very difficult to engage the toe piece via a ski pole on an angle or in powder. I've lost heel risers multiple times. You can accidentally switch from ski to tour mode while skiing. I had the brakes installed and they wouldn't release if I came out of my bindings, so I just installed the leashes and took the damn brakes off. There isn't much aluminum involved in this binding, he bulk of it is PLASTIC. Just buy the Dynafits.

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is it one piece or one pair for 249.98?

is it one piece or one pair for 249.98?

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July 30, 2011

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a pair

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July 30, 2011

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Rating for this product: 4

Onyx performs well

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October 28, 2010

I haven't had any ejections or problems, and most people I've talked to have liked this binding too, don't know what is with all the hate on for this binding on here.

The older model (09/10) like this the front toe piece is stiff and hard to get your foot into. Apparently they revamped the new ones so it's easier to use.

I've never used this binding for flying of cliffs, or taking jumps, and maybe that's why people dont like it. But for backcountry, powder, hiking, or groomed runs this binding performs GREAT!

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will this binding work with my k2 dawn patrol skiis? they're

will this binding work with my k2 dawn patrol skiis? they're fitted with g3 tele-cable bindings(pre-drilled holes) now. I have scarpa denali at boots. thx!

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July 15, 2011

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If you have the Dawn Patrols with the pre-drilled metal inserts, the Onyx does not match the insert locations. It may be possible to drill your own holes for the Onyx (or have a shop do it). A good shop should be able to look at your skis and where the Onyx holes line up and tell you if this will work. Hope that helps.

By: Backcountry.com Vendor Rep
July 21, 2011

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Rating for this product: 5

Onyx's Really Preform

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April 1, 2010

First up I’ve never skied a set of Dynafit bindings.
I’m male, 5’ 51/2”, 135 lbs+/-, expert skier.
My previous AT bindings were Fritschi Freerides.
I didn’t like they way the Freerides flexed or the catching/clicking in tour mode.
And the way binding articulates when touring plus the weight of the Freerides.
What I wanted was a tech system binding with: the ability to change from tour to ski without removing the skis.
The Onyx’s are mounted on K2 CoomBacks 167cm.
This has not been a good year for AT skiing in Southern Idaho.
The back country has been treacherous; so far eight people have been killed in avalanches.
The snow has been wet heavy crud or ice. Most of my skiing has been in ski area boundaries, with a few sessions out of bounds. Here’s my review after four months of use:
Touring:
The Onyx’s excelled in touring. They were easy to get in and out of. I could engage the heel lifts without stopping. I’ve never used the tour lock. (If I had a 30+ lbs pack on I would). I could remove skins without taking my skis off.
Skiing:
The binding worked on the level of a regular down hill skiing binding. I ski a 6 DIN.
I never had a pre-release all winter. I skied, them in bumps, hard pack, ice and heavy crud.
I’ve landed 8-10 foot drops on to moguled flat landing and never busted out of them. I’ve hit trees with the sides of my skis and my skis have stayed on. I ended up in a tree well and the bindings were very easy to get out of by using on hand to release the rear and grab the ski and push down with your palm to release the front.
Also, I never had any of the lifts come off and I’ve caught them with my tails crashing through brush.

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What's selling is made in 2010?

What's selling is made in 2010?

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May 25, 2011

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Thank you for an answer

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May 26, 2011

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Correct. This is the 2010/2011 version with a 6-12 DIN. The previous issues with the brake and the heel elevators have been fixed.

By: Backcountry.com Vendor Rep
May 25, 2011

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Just got back from a ski trip to Monterosa, Italy. Before our

Just got back from a ski trip to Monterosa, Italy. Before our last day sking we stopped by the rental/skirepair store in Alagna to have our skis prepared by their new Wintersteiger Discovery. Both my brother and myself have the G3 Onyx binding . Early next morning, after having picked up our skis and standing at the top of the mountain preparing for another great day skiing we both found out that the backbindings did not function any more (on all four skis). They simply did not lock any more, as if something had gotten into the binding in the preperation process (plastic/metal residuals). We had to take the gondola down to the village again (luckily this was not the previous day when we had gone heli skiing).

However the skistore could not help us (although we were offered money back for the skiprep) and right now we have to pair of skis with bidings thar does not fuction.

Have you previously come across this problem? and how to we solve it.

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March 25, 2011

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Rating for this product: 4

Performer!

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December 1, 2010

I've skied 40+ days, on and off resort, on these bindings mounted to K2 Coombacks 174 and Mt Bakers. Toured great and skied great. Felt stable as I skied off boulders into thigh deep PNW "pow". No ejection problems. Heel lift slipped off the pin one day, but I was able to fix it with no problems since. Summer Skiing and climbing is great!

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December 7, 2010

Love the bindings, mostly....

The design is fantastic but i have an issue with durability? I have only had them out for two quick tours. last wednesday i went out for a couple of hours and one of the low heal lifts came off and was lost to the snow. kinda pissed. Went out again Saturday and lost the smae piece on the second binding. So now i have very well stretched calves and faulty bindings. has this happened to anyone else out there? I would like to know if Backcountry.com would be willing to send me a couple of low heal lifts so i can start enjoying my new bindings again.
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December 21, 2010

I guess another idea would be to put a leash on the low heel lift. (ha ha)

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December 21, 2010

I've lost 4 of these. Right now looking for 2 replacements as well. See my new post above. I will build new mounting pins with heads so this won't happen again. It's a stupid design. The mounting pin is way too short and they could easily have designed the pin with a wider section at the end so the heel lift can't pop off without removing the pin. Also, I unscrewed one of the pins and noticed that it has very little "bite" into the binding. ie. very short thread and only screws into plastic material.

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I have lost the Low heel lift 4 times now, always while skiing

I have lost the Low heel lift 4 times now, always while skiing in hard terrain in a lift serviced area. Last season lost it two times. Both times my ski shop replaced it. This season first time out lost both of them. I don't want to go back to my ski shop. Is there somewhere I can order these or get them directly from G3. I intend to modify the mounting pins this time so it can't happen again.

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December 21, 2010

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Heck, did all this work for nothing.
Just got a message back from G3 that they have a retrofit kit free of charge for people who own last year's binding. They have already made the change on this year's binding. The retrofit kit should be available from your ski shop.

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December 22, 2010

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My questions it to G3. Why the heck can't they produce a post like this, since it's so simple and send them out to all the ski shops that sell their binding? The ski shops could easily retrofit these posts in about 5 minutes per pair of skiis.

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December 22, 2010

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Here is a view from above to show the clearance required between the screw head and the heel lift arm. Be sure to zoom in to see it. It's a bit fuzzy, I had to take these photos with my iPhone 4.

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December 22, 2010

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Here is the new post.

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December 22, 2010

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OK Here is my fix. I used #10 X 3/4 Round head screws with the point filed down to match the stock post threads. I used bicycle cable ends for the bushings, drilled out and ground down to the correct length. The hole in the Heel lift is drilled out to 15/64" to match the bushing. Be sure to leave the bushing long enough so the screw head clears the heel lift as it is rotated during the lift, since it expands outward during this move.
I am including a photo of the finished job and detail photos in the next two postings (can't do 3 photos in one posting).

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December 22, 2010

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Rating for this product: 4

Nice Alternative to Dynafits

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April 14, 2011

The Onyx is a nice system for those looking for an alternative to a Dynafit binding. While not the lightest weight tech binding option, I believe it's features make the little bit of extra weight worth it over their counterparts. For one, switching from ski to tour can be done without removing the ski. Yes, I know you can kind of do this with dynafits, but it's much more fiddly than throwing the lever on the onyx.
Second, the heal risers are flip risers. I've never been a fan of the "spin the post" system on dynafit binders and have seen a few break due to this leaving the skiier in a crappy situation not being able to ski out; I don't have to worry about that with the onyx. Even if a riser breaks, my heel post is still sound and I can ski out.
Third and one of the most important is the way the toe jaw operates. On the onyx you must press on the forward piece to open the jaws and insert your toe. While I agree that this makes it kind of a pain to put on in powder or on a steep section, it prevents lateral toe prerelease. All the dynafit models (save next years radical with power towers that help to combat this) are prone to this sort of release when the boot sees a high lateral load. The wings flex and can pop open, releasing your toe piece too early. Since the onyx naturally wants to clamp rather than open, it will take a far higher load to initiate a prerelease. While this problem isn't glaring (people have been using dynafits for years) it's something I didn't really want to take the chance with. Personal preference really.

I've been skiing on the onyx for two years now and haven't had any major issues that any of the other reviewers have had. They've seen plenty of backcountry and resort days and I couldn't be happier with them. You can't ski them hard like a duke, so if you're going to go huck yourself off of stuff consider a different binding and don't complain when these don't preform in that manner. Use them for their intended uses and you'll love them.

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December 22, 2011

Great bit of imformation!

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Are these the newest model of the Onyx? Have read around that

Are these the newest model of the Onyx? Have read around that they improved a few things from their first model, though not sure when they first came out and if a newer model has come out. If so, are these it?

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September 18, 2010

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This is the 09/10 version. There have been a few tweaks for 10/11. Primarily, both release directions now go to DIN 12.

By: Backcountry.com Vendor Rep
October 14, 2010

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Rating for this product: 4

Good So Far

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February 3, 2010

I got these mounted up on a pair of Dynafit Mansulas with a pair of Dynafit ZZeros, somebody made a comment isn't that blasphemous mounting the G3's with so much Dynafit equipment?! But what I like about these over the Dynafits is that I can swap them between different pair of skis. You can get a mounting plate from G3 and swap the same pair of bindings between multiple skis, so instead of having to buy 2 pair of $450 bindings, its one pair and a $70 mounting plate. I have 6 hard days in the resorts and 2 days touring on these, and they have worked well. The only releases I have had were from weird twisting motions, never had an "auto eject" or anything like that. I even took a short 4 foot drop into a crater which threw me as far forward as you can go without your head hitting the skis and they stayed on. 6-8 footers or beating chopped up super heavy Sierra crud at high speed wasn't an issue in the least bit either. I'm no extreme skier, but am 6 ft, 190 lbs and I work my gear pretty hard. My only problem was heavy wet snow packing under the toe piece and making it hard to release manually (beat it with my pole and stomped the ski and the snow came out), but even Dynafits have issues with snow packing in the springs etc. As for touring, I upgraded from a pair of Freerides and it was noticeable lighter and smoother tour! Plus you didn’t hear that annoying clunking noise with every step! And yes, I did use the ability to click in and out of tour mode without removing the ski or skins, Tele mode on a short 35 degree slope to work the terrain isn’t always fun, that’s why I am on Randonee skis!!

Bottom line: No complaints after 8 straight days of hardpack, groomers, heavy Sierra Cement and blower powder on them, and have another 3 days BC this weekend!!=

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Looking for a reputable ski shop in the North East with G3 Onyx

Looking for a reputable ski shop in the North East with G3 Onyx binding knowledge to mount them properly on my skis. I went to G3s website and found a list. The first two places I've been to, one had never touched nor been trained on mounting the Onyx; the other had never heard of G3!! If you can recommend someone, I would be grateful.

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August 1, 2010

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Hey Francois, Village Ski & Snowboard in Lincoln NH sells and services all G3 bindings. The staff is friendly and very knowledgable with telemark and AT set-ups.

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December 9, 2010

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Hey Francois, Village Ski & Snowboard in Lincoln NH sells and services all G3 bindings. The staff is friendly and very knowledgable with telemark and AT set-ups.

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December 9, 2010

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Write your answer here.Hey Francois, Village Ski & Snowboard in Lincoln NH sells and services all G3 bindings. They would be happy to help with any ski service that you need. ..

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December 9, 2010

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Try calling several good stores that have and rent A.T. equipment in the N. East: EMS, North Conway, NH, EMS, Burlington, VT, EMS, Lake Placid, NY, Outdoor Gear Exchange, Burlington, VT, International Mountain Equipment (I.M.E.), North Conway, NH, The Mountaineer, Keene, NY (near Lake Placid). If they don't have the product, they might be able to tell you where to find the gear.

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August 22, 2010

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I would call all shops with in a 480 km range on G3's dealer locater page. After that, you're bound to find the right place. I hear Acadia is nice this time of year.

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August 5, 2010

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Disappointing...

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April 19, 2011

I've been skiing on the onyx most of the season both in the backcountry as well as some in bounds. They have pre-released plenty of times even with the dins cranked all the way. This last week I was coming down a mellow slope and the pins in the toe piece completely snapped and sent me and my ski flying. My leash also failed and I ended up running after my ski. I've had problems all season with losing the risers as well.

While I do enjoy the flip option of dual risers and the general ease of the touring to ski mode these bindings just don't hold up. Along with the other reviews I hated putting these on on ridge lines or anything with much of an angle. I took them back yesterday and exchanged them for dynafits, it's worth the extra money for a more stable and lighter binding.

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This binding is a "Tech"-type binding. Some boots

This binding is a "Tech"-type binding. Some boots are classified as "AT", others as "TLT _ Dynafit" and finally "AT & TLT". What are the differences between an AT and a TLT boot? Can both types of boots be used with the Onyx?

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July 24, 2010

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Good question! Short answer, longish story? ONLY boots w/ "Tech" type fittings built into them will work w/the G3 Onyx [or Dynafit bindings]. Most [case by case] "Tech" boots w/work w/"most all" AT bindings. Simple, right? "Tech" type has always [20+ yrs] referred to Dynafit and their TLT [TourLite Tech] system, until last year, with the introduction of G3's [also Excellent] Onyx binding. Boot manufacturers have always had to purchase Dynafit heel/toe "fittings" to build into boots to be compatible w/ the Dynafit bindings [add aprx. $100 cost]. [That is, until Black Diamond's introduction of [some] of their new boots , with their "take" on a [manufactured in] "Tech" type fitting in the heel & toe areas of the boots, 2-3 yrs ago]. Dynafit's products have been [mostly] about LIGHT WEIGHT, for the backcountry enviorment. Some of their boot models, "Lite" and "Race" [as in uphill, Randonnee race], for example, are made with less plastic material at the lip, or shelf, of the heel and toe, where [Alpine and non-"Tech" AT [like Fritschi and Naxo brand] bindings clamp down onto, to hold a boot. So those w/ less shelf, or lip, at heel and toe are not held "securely" by the standard, regular AT bindings [yes, ie: non-"Tech"]. Pluses and minus's to each "system", as well as to each within the "Tech" side [G3 and Dynafit]. Function, fit, adaptability, simplicity, weight,...price,...SALE!? Good luck, have fun, be safe.
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September 21, 2010

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TLT is just a version of AT. It stands for ToutLite Tech. As long you use a Dynafit compatible boot this should work just fine.

By: Backcountry.com Employee
July 25, 2010

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I believe your wrong on having to step out of the dynafit to

I believe your wrong on having to step out of the dynafit to switch modes.You can just turn the heel piece by sticking to pole into it.It has a hole specifically for that and you can rotate the heel piece by leveraging you ski pole.

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January 13, 2010

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Works with brakes too.

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October 7, 2010

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This reviewer is correct. However, if your Dynafits have brakes on them, then this trick doesn't work and you must step out to switch from ski to tour. This transition becomes very easy and quick with a little bit of practice.

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January 17, 2010

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Freestyle...you cannot switch from ski to tour; however, you can switch from tour to ski.

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January 14, 2010

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You can go into ski mode with out taking the bindings off, but to go into touring mode most people must remove the ski.

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January 13, 2010

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Rating for this product: 1

Unreliable- go with Dynafit

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October 26, 2010

I wish I could give the Onyx a positive review, but they just failed on to many occassions. Continual problems with the brakes: (a) failure to deploy, and (b) incredibly irritating when they will not stay locked up for tour mode.
Additionally, both of the heal pieces blew out on the same day. Fortunately the toes lock in and I was able to tele out. Additionally, having to hold open the toe piece with a pole to get the boot in flat out sucks, particularly in powder.

If you can't rely on and trust them in the backcountry...what is the point? Dynafit it is.

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November 11, 2010

Did you have the rear heel spacing set correctly?

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October 26, 2010

Oh yes- I am 6' and +/-185# Apparently they worked well for a 135# user. I love the touring (when the brakes would lock!), but can get that and reliability form Dynafit.

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I believe your wrong on having to step out of the dynafit to

I believe your wrong on having to step out of the dynafit to switch modes.You can just turn the heel piece by sticking to pole into it.It has a hole specifically for that and you can rotate the heel piece by leveraging you ski pole.

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January 13, 2010

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Fatally Flawed

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December 9, 2010

I REALLY wanted to like these bindings. I had hoped G3 would address the numerous problems with the binding, but they have not. I addition to my previous post, (the rear section of both bindings shredded) the brakes are unreliable both as functional brakes, and releasing (dragging) while in tour mode.If you look under the heel piece, the little s-curve piece does not withstand much use. Having brakes that do not deploy more often than they do, well the problem is obvious. Additionally, the only way to be certain the brake will be engaged when dismounting is to come out toes first.Do yourself a favor, go with dependibility, not to mention easier use and lighter weight, the very proven Dynafit,

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January 14, 2011

This review is very much so a useless review. He focuses on the BRAKE and the BRAKE alone...

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May 24, 2011

I had the same problem with one of my brakes engaging in tour mode, which really sucks. These things make me really appreciate the simplicity of my tele set-ups, and I find that I don't do a lot of AT touring in the back-country.

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Do you have any information on mounting the telemark shims on

Do you have any information on mounting the telemark shims on with these bindings and where those would be placed?

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December 14, 2009

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Rating for this product: 2

First Effort from G3 - and its obvious

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July 13, 2010

The folks at G3 need to take some serious time to address some potentially hazardous, if not deadly design oversights (I'm not being hyperbolic here). I come from a racing background and started venturing into the backcountry after my NCAA eligibility expired. I originally bought Frishis - they're bomb proof, but heavy - but ended up trading them for the Oynxs when my local shop got nervous about running the Frishis with Radiums (it's fine, by the way). I have these mounted up on a pair of BD Verdicts. The first time I took these out one of the plastic arms for the "low" tour setting broke off. Either the torx bolts that hold it on were never put in, or the engineer who put the hardware/manufacturing scheme together didn't think things through - the shoulder on the bolthead is tiny, and they had no locktite. I replaced the bolts and locktited them, problem solved. The second time I took these out I skiied from the summit of Hood in rough, hard snow. The plate that holds the toepeice to the ski disintegrated on the upper palmer snowfeilds - where it's wide enough for me to pull the one ski gig off. I hate to think of what could have happened if the binding had flaked above a cornice field. There are several obvious solutions to fix the plate: Either beef up the plate, use a stronger plastic (... glass filled Nylon?) or machine it from AL (which would send the price skyward).

If these things are fixed, the Oynx will be an excellent, well designed piece of equipment. Until then, I'll go nowhere near them and I'd advise all to do the same.

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September 30, 2010

You mentioned your local ski shop guys frowned upon fritschi bindings with Radiums, why is that. I bought the '09-'10 Radiums this summer, plus rossi S5 Barras and am looking for a binding to go with the setup. Should I avoid Fritchi with this setup? Do you have a recommendation for a binding with this setup.

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Hi Are brakes available for the G3 Onyx? Vin

Hi
Are brakes available for the G3 Onyx?
Vin

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December 11, 2009

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Rating for this product: 2

First Effort from G3 - and its obvious

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July 13, 2010

The folks at G3 need to take some serious time to address some potentially hazardous, if not deadly design oversights (I'm not being hyperbolic here). I come from a racing background and started venturing into the backcountry after my NCAA eligibility expired. I originally bought Frishis - they're bomb proof, but heavy - but ended up trading them for the Oynxs when my local shop got nervous about running the Frishis with Radiums (it's fine, by the way). I have these mounted up on a pair of BD Verdicts. The first time I took these out one of the plastic arms for the "low" tour setting broke off. Either the torx bolts that hold it on were never put in, or the engineer who put the hardware/manufacturing scheme together didn't think things through - the shoulder on the bolthead is tiny, and they had no locktite. I replaced the bolts and locktited them, problem solved. The second time I took these out I skiied from the summit of Hood in rough, hard snow. The plate that holds the toepeice to the ski disintegrated on the upper palmer snowfeilds - where it's wide enough for me to pull the one ski gig off. I hate to think of what could have happened if the binding had flaked above a cornice field. There are several obvious solutions to fix the plate: Either beef up the plate, use a stronger plastic (... glass filled Nylon?) or machine it from AL (which would send the price skyward).

If these things are fixed, the Oynx will be an excellent, well designed piece of equipment. Until then, I'll go nowhere near them and I'd advise all to do the same.

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Can anyone attest to the downhill performance of this binding?

Can anyone attest to the downhill performance of this binding? If I decide to occasionally use the binding at the resort for a few trips... Any thoughts?

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November 23, 2009

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They feel powerful on the downhill.

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April 8, 2010

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I've been skiing on Dynafit FT12s in and out of the resort this season. I've skied them as hard as any other binding, including hitting drops and skiing bumps. I've found no problems with the binding at all. Given this, I'd suggest moving to dynafit, as even the FT12 w/brakes is 540g, while the Onyx is almost three times that much.

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January 17, 2010

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OK well I am Tweaking my old review which is below. I am not a fan. I really tried to like these bindings but have to say go with something else. The risers broke off somehow some where on my 3rd! day using them. Additionally, I still be released spite making the changes below. It is very hard to be confident in these bindings. The heel just releases. The toe piece is great the heel is terrible. its long, looks a hair ghetto, and releases early. To clarify what releases, it switches into touring mode while skiing spite anally checking it several times before using.

DO NOT GET THIS BINDING!!!

I am a very aggressive skier and had some similar issues with flying out of the binding BUT I think its mostly user error. Check the following

1. Fully lock in you heel when switching to ski mode. It's very easy to not fully lock your heel in.

2. Play with your DIN settings! You can really dial them in.

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January 9, 2010

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I was extremely unimpressed when i skied these bindings last winter. Blowouts on hard turns, way to sloppy on the downhill, and I even broke the binding off of the mounting plate. Overall, way too complex of a binding, hard to compete with dynafit-dynafit has been making their bindings for almost 20 years, and I think G3 needs a few more before they come close. My advice is to stick with the tried and true on this one, and save weight for touring!

By: Backcountry.com Sponsored Athlete
November 23, 2009

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Rating for this product: 3

Still in the testing phase

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January 13, 2011

These bindings seem to do the job, despite the obvious oversights on the heel piece. I suffered the loss of a heel lift after a very mellow tumble like just about everyone else on this post, but I haven't experienced any of the free release, unintentional switch from ski to tour, or sloppy feel that others have commented about.

The guys at my "local" shop ( it's in quotes because I have to drive 30 minutes to find a good BC ski shop, the only reputable place in Tacoma, WA closed this summer. But I'll save that rant for another day) gave me all the 411 on these bindings before mounting them to my Kahru Spires so I kind of knew what I was getting into. That being said, they did a great job on the mount and have helped me get the retro kit for the heel lifters. Yeah, it's BS that owners of this binding have had so many problems, but maybe some of these are originating at the shop.

Who knows? Maybe I'll update this post in a week after I have free release in line for the chair lift, or the heel piece desintegrates during a tour.

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why do you highlight the ability to go from tour to ski without

why do you highlight the ability to go from tour to ski without removing? All binding's do this. Did you mean go from ski to tour? Not real useful, but not all bindings can claim this.

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November 19, 2009

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With many clunky alpine-styled AT bindings, the flick of a lever transitions from ski to tour mode. With Dynafits, you remove your skis, rotate the heel, and immediately put them back on. The ONYX imporves on the Dynafit by alleviating the seemingly pointless ski off-ski on maneuver. For farming laps from the permanent Wasatch skin track, the skier may not fully appreciate this convenience. For longer tours, or traversing, there are times when it is desirable to tour without skins, and these are usually the times when the splitboarder of the group is inconvenienced most.

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January 3, 2010

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"Dynafit's 1 flaw, if they have any, is that in order to switch modes you have to step out of the bindings. [...] With the Onyx, G3 has figured out a way that you don't have to do step out of the binding to change modes. You can stay in the bindings and change from one mode to another."
-- With any Dynafit binding, the user has no need to exit the binding to switch modes from skinning to skiing: rotate the heel unit then step down. (And no need to clear snow from underneath any parts, like on Diamirs.)
-- The only need to exit the binding is when switching from skiing to skinning, but that is almost always necessary only when reapplying skins, which requires removing skis anyway.

BTW, one other thing that keeps getting overlooked (and listed incorrectly by every etailer), is that according to the tech manual:
http://www.g3onyx.com/_pdf/Mounting-and-Installation-Instructions.pdf
... and also from what I could tell by inspecting a pair,
"Your G3 ONYX binding has a lateral twist (Mz) release setting scale from 6-12, and a forward falling (My) release setting scale from 5-10."
The effective range of the binding is therefore a relatively narrow 6-10 (except for a skier who wants a higher lateral setting than forward).
This would rule out the Onyx for my wife (who has a 5 setting on her Dynafits), as well as rule out any skier who really needs the higher release setting of the Dynafit FT12.

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December 22, 2009

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It's only a useful feature if you're adept at ripping your skins off while still in the bindings.

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December 14, 2009

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Jules, the onyx was meant to be an ultra lightweight touring binding to compete directly with Dynafit. Dynafit's 1 flaw, if they have any, is that in order to switch modes you have to step out of the bindings. So when G3 was creating this binding they wanted to create a binding that in theory does everything better/easier than Dynafit. Dynafit is the standard in the industry, and since the Onyx is a new binding, G3 is doing everything in their power to try to outdo Dynafit. With the Onyx, G3 has figured out a way that you don't have to do step out of the binding to change modes. You can stay in the bindings and change from one mode to another. Not a very commonly used feature, but it can be advantageous at times.

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November 19, 2009

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Jules, NOT all AT bindings have the ability to go directly fro tour to skiing. For example with the Marker Dukes, you have to step out of the binding in order to get at the lever that switches the binding from tour-->ski. This is a really nice aspect that G3 integrated into their binding system.

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November 19, 2009

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Rating for this product: 5

Awesome binding

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August 30, 2010

Skied the onyx a couple dozen times this spring/summer 2010 on many cascade volcanos. Absolutely no problems with them, takes a little getting use to operating, but works great once you figure them out.

I have three different skis all mounted with onyx mounting plates. It now only takes me 5 min to change bindings from one ski to another, which is awesome (avoided buying 3 sets of any other brand bindings, makes these really cost effective).

Totally recommend these, especially if you have a quiver of skis.

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October 8, 2010

What do you mean by "onyx mounting plates?" Is this something I'll need to buy separate or will there be at least one mounting plate per setup? Other than that, looks like a good binding because you don't have to worry about sizing, right?
Thanks

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November 5, 2010

The bindings (toe & heal) each attach to a simple mounting plate. These plates come with the bindings as a package and can be purchased separately also for $60. So your second or third pair of skis cost the price of skis and $60 for the plates (not some $400 for brand new bindings for each pair).

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Ive got the Scarpa Diva AT boot size 23.5 I believe the sole

Ive got the Scarpa Diva AT boot size 23.5 I believe the sole is 279mm.. will these bindings fit my boot?

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October 19, 2009

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The Onyx will fit any boot size as long as you get the bindings mounted to your shell size on your ski. Once mounted, the Onyx has 33mm of fore and aft adjustment.

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October 20, 2009

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Rating for this product: 3

They bind

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August 24, 2010

Bindings that bind. What more could you want?

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Will you be selling subplates for these for swapping back and

Will you be selling subplates for these for swapping back and forth between pairs of skis ?

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October 11, 2009

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Rating for this product: 1

Crap

By:
February 17, 2010

I have the Onyx mounted on G3 Zenoxide skis, and ride Dynafit Titan boots.
I have broken the small heellifter in plastic twice, and it keeps coming off. I have stoppers mounted, and have had a lot of annoying and unintentional releases without the stoppers deploying.
I got this binding to have something more robust for the Titan boots, but will definately go back to the Dynafit bindings next time.
Not impressed!

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So do I need special boots for G3, or can any boot be adapte

So do I need special boots for G3, or can any boot be adapted?

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October 6, 2009

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These require "Tech" or dynafit compatible boots, which are the ones with little metal dimples on either side of the toe, and a little metal fork in the heel.

For instance, see the Dyafit zZeus or Titan boots.

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October 6, 2009

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Rating for this product: 4

just what I wanted

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January 30, 2010

So far, I love them. I had a problem with the brakes, but I received the repair kit and they work fine now. Great for touring. light and tough. I have never had an unwanted release. Heel lifters work fine. I use my super heavy Fritschis at the resort and I use these for touring in the backcountry. I have these mounted on G3 Tonic skis and I love 'em.

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Rating for this product: 2

Wife's Use of Onyx

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March 4, 2011

I purchased the G3 Onyx for my wife's first attempt at AT. During the season, while on trail, she has struggled with the ease of entry and operation. She has trouble with entry, particularly on any slope with angle. Entry is difficult because of the need to depress the toe for entry. After skinning her first day, the toe pieces had become frozen with show and would not open except with hard banging to clear the frozen snow. I need to replace these technical binding with a more conventional AT binding such as Marker's Touring bindings. She has not be able or willing to adapt to the Onyx.

I have the Dynafit FT 12, love it, and would not consider the G3 as a replacement.

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Do not get this binding!!!

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January 17, 2010

This is the first time I have ever written a bad review. This is because I broke the heel lifts off on my 3rd ride. Additionally, spite anally checking the ski mode and cranking up DIN settings I still ejected while skiing. The ejections are RANDOM! What happens spite making sure you are in ski mode, the binding will magically switch into tour mode. Its a cool trick which impresses all bystanders with an amusing crash but its not so fun for the skier.

MESSAGE TO G3: toe pie is great, locks in, has a solid hold, and climbs well. The heel piece is terrible! its long, switches into touring mode from ski mode without you making the switch, and the heel lifters are WWAAYY to flimsy/kind of make it look super ghetto. Please redesign the heel piece, you guys are great and the binding has great potential but it SUCKS! Make the heel shorter or change how where the touring lever is, and redesign the heel lifts. They seem like they were an after thought

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G3 Onyx AT Binding

By: Backcountry.com Employee
May 28, 2010

I demo'd this binding and fully agree with the poor reviews below. The toepiece is rock solid and probably stronger than a Dynafit toe piece, however that does not matter when the heel is junk. People ride a dynafit style binding because they are so light and tour so well. At 1430 grams, this binding is twice as heavy as a Vertical ST, immediately eliminating one of the key advantages of a dynafit system (weight). The binding tours well enough, but I'd rather pay 2x as much for the real deal than mess with this binding.

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2 Comments Last Comment: March 14, 2011 by:

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March 14, 2011

Comparison to FT 12 is implied but not explicit, nor appropriate: different users, different goals, skills, and tolerances

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March 14, 2011

Ignore above comment about FT12 - it was for a different post. If I can figure out how to delete it, I will.

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G3 Onyx Tour Binding

G3 Onyx Tour Binding

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By: lau2925108 March 13, 2012

Finally RETURNING this item. I was attracted to this binding because of the ability to interchange main binding with base plates on a couple pairs of more...

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Material:
aluminum 
DIN Range:
6 - 12 
Boot Compatibility:
tech 
Brakes Included:
no 
Heel Elevators:
yes, low & high 
Weight:
50 oz 
Recommended Use:
touring, resort