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Not stoked on stopping every ten minutes to wrestle your skin-tail or tip back on your ski? The Expedition Climbing Skins use G3’s Tip & Tail Connection System to make your skin feel like part of the ski while you climb.
Laminated tail reduces weight and drag
Tip loop system for a secure fit
Waterproofing helps prevent clumping
Temperature-tolerant adhesive won’t flake-out and loose stick when it gets cold
RipStrip makes it easy to pull off the ski and reduces skin-to-skin sticking
With only the 80mm left, I would try the G3 Alpinist skin. Get a 130mm Med. length (171-181cm). http://www.backcountry.com/g3-alpinist-climbing-skin.html
get the biggest one backcountry is offering now. unfortunately, they don't have a 130 or anything in stock. you can just cut to fit, and these are still a solid price.
These skins grip like crazy. I used them for a straight week and had only one complaint. The tail clip tends to fall off. I have a twin tip ski and it seems like the clip is designed for a flatter tail. That said even with the clips falling off through the climb i still made it to the top with zero complaints. If I rig up a better setup ill re post. One more thing. When i went to cut the skins to fit my skis I found that their provided tool sucks. Luckily i had an old black diamond skin cutting tool that works great. If you plan on cutting your own, (its really easy) watch black diamonds video on how to do it. Its super short and tied all the loose ends together for me.
The G3 skin cutting tool works different than the BD tool. If you try to use it like the BD tool (I was certainly guilty of this for one-hot-minute before I realized the difference), it will indeed suck. If you use it the way it is intended it should work great, and the nice thing about it, is that unlike the BD tool where you need to reposition the skins in order to cut in far enough to expose the edge of the ski, the G3 tool automatically cuts in to expose the edge of the ski without needing to reposition the skins for each cut.
Ok got the new tails for these guys. Also found here http://www.backcountry.com/g3-twin-tip-connector-kit They absolutely solve the problem that i had with these skins. I have used them for the last half of this season and have zero complaints. The only thing. Be prepared to wrestle with them when putting on the connectors. Do it the night before a ski. Do not think that you can do this in the parking lot before you head out in the morning. It took me maybe 20-30 minutes to fit them on (I may be a big puss?) But once they are on you will never have problems.
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I've been using G3 skins for about 6 years from the Canadian Rockies to Europe to Tahoe and they have held up great. Excellent glue (holds even down to very cold weather, although below -20 no clue can hold), glide, and the tensioning system is simple but secure. Would buy again anytime...
--The tips aren't big enough to fit skis for which 110mm is the right skin width. Had to buy BD adjustable tip loops to make them work. --They slip going uphill/not enough traction. Isn't this what you buy skins for? I thought it was user error (ie: my own suckiness) but then I borrowed a friend's BD Glide Lites for a day and I was an awesome skinner.
Swimgirl. I'm surprised that these don't work for you. I have them on a pair of Volkl chops, which have a nose of ~140mm and they work fine.
Also do you have rockered skis? Something with a full rocker, tail and tip, is going to reduce the contact area of your ski A LOT. Meaning your gonna slide a bit more that someone say on a traditional cambered ski.
Lastly. Were you skinning on hard pack/icy snow? Because mine do slip on that stuff too.... but so does everyone else I'm out with for the day, BD or G3 skins..
I have had these skins for a year and have used them with my Volkl Kikus. They grip very well, though as expected, on icy, steep climbs, anyone on any skins will have a problem. Overall, on regular hard pack on steep slopes, they work well. Before you purchase, I recommend you check that the tip loop will fit your skis. I didn't purchase these from backcountry.com. Instead, I bought them at a local store and in the process noticed I needed a wider tip loop for my Kikus. As a result, I had to pay about $17 extra for two different tip loops that would fit my wider ski. It was annoying at the time, but I am very happy with the purchase. The wider tip loop also seemed to be a better choice than the standard loop that comes with the skis. Several people have also mentioned the tail clip coming off. This tends to happen from time to time with mine if I didn't tighten it enough or after several hours, but it's also an occasional occurrence with my friends' skins. Overall, I don't have a problem with the tail clip. I highly recommend these skins because they're sticky and reliable.
Great width at 140. They grip really well, you will struggle to slide even on those little downhill sections of the skin track. Like others have said, the tail will fall off. Stickum seems to be holding up rather well. Not especially light. All in all, great slackcountry skin.
Easy to trim to fit. Easy on and off. Sticks to everything I've thrown at em. First use the tail clips came undone but they stayed in place, I didn't even know until I was ready for the descent.
Just put them on some custom carbon fiber skis made by Losee Longboards (Las Tablas De Los Muertos 145-120-135) and went on a 3 day hut trip in the La Sals. Super impressed. I've always used Black Diamonds skins in the past and will now only get g3's. They seem lighter than the ascensions, they grip/glide fine and perhaps the best thing about them is the easily adjustable tail clip which allows you to get them on really snug. Also, the skin cutter that they come with makes it about 10 times easier to cut your skins. No gripes yet.
I have older Fischer Crown E99 backcountry touring skis (210cm). So far, I haven't been able to come up with any skins that are long enough. Anyone know whether this skin could be adapted to my skis?
all the way these skins are absolutely great, they stick always no matter how much snow is on the glue, the tail clip holds the skin on your base beautifully. i skied black diamonds for years but was running low on cash so i bought these, i was not disappointed. im gonna stick with g3 skins from now on
The rule of thumb is buy width that matches the fattest part of your ski. So in your case you could go with the 140mm... Buuut you might be able to get away with the 130, it all depends on how quickly the nose on your S7's shrinks down to the narrow part at the waist. If your ski quickly goes from 144 to under 133 (some do) you will save your self some cutting time.
Anywho, order for the widest part of the ski, and then start cutting. Unfortunately the cutting tool it comes sucks royal ball sack. Stop by your local shop, they might have an extra Black diamond one laying around... (i dont know why, they just work better)
Before you start cutting watch the vid. its five minutes long. and even though its for BD skins all the stuff they tell you will work for these. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY8rrEln4nc
I have used a pair of these for three years now and they have worked flawless. They have enough justibility I can use them on two similiar size skis. I like the tail better than the Ascensions. I have had no ice-up on them and they glide better than most skins.
G3 is making true splitboard skins starting this fall (2011). The tip and tail hooks self-articulate and fit splitboards perfectly. Keep an eye out for 'em.
Just get these http://www.wildernessexchangeunlimited.com/product_detail.cfm?CatID=122&PID=3159&SKU=8043&LinkID=1
It would take a lot of fiddling and replacing or parts. You need a different clip for the nose and tail, and im not sure they would be the right size either. Better off just going with ones that are made for it rather then buying these and turning them into Frankenstein.
I had some doubts coming from the standard BD skins, but so far i am really liking these items. They grip like crazy, although i have had some troubles on the steeper sections of the skin track where snow tends to be a little harder - expected though. The stick to the ski's (Atomic Blogs), really well, and unlike many of the other reviews, i have not had any issues with the tail clip coming off. My main complaint is the cutting tool provided - i would deff suggest using something else to make the cuts, the tool provided didn't quite do the job.
The Expedition skin is G3s time-tested and proven synthetic climbing skin. The Expedition skin utilizes a tip loop attachment system that comes in three sizes and is sure to fit any ski tip. A laminated tail strap reduces drag, and our new RipStrip to ensure the skins remain easy to pull apart. All Expedition skins are made with G3s specially designed plush for superior glide and traction, and our proprietary dependable non-toxic/solvent free glue formula.
I ordered the 140mm version of this skin. Delivery was faster than expected. Never got to try these skins out, though. If you have fat powder skis, DO NOT get these skins. The largest front tip loop size that G3 makes is for a maximum size of 120mm ski tip. As we all know, that is on the smaller end of powder ski sizes. Shame on G3, by the way, for discontinuing their XXL tip loop size.
So all in all, my main gripe is that backcountry.com did not make it clear as to what size tip loop would come with the ski. Obviously if I am ordering a 140mm skin, I am going to need tip loop larger than 100mm. I have since returned the product, and will not be replacing it with anything from this website.
I also ordered the 140mm and had no problem with the tip loops on a pair of Voile Asylums which are actually 153 in the tip. I bought a pair of the BD tip loops as back-up just in case the G3s did not fit, but I didn't need to use them. You can also fabricate your own tip loops, I did this with a few parts from a hobby store and a hardware store circa 2003 before companies really started making bigger tip loops.
Matt, you might want to let people know what skis you were trying to use these with that didn't work since there is also a lot of variation in the shape of the tip on a given ski despite the size.
I have K2 Burning Love Skies but they are about 3 years old. They are 160s and I am having a hard time finding skins to fit them (most start around 170). Also, I cannot figure out how wide I need them...am I measuring from the shaped top of the skies? I'd like to order some asap so any help you can give on skins for 3 year old 160 Burning Loves would be awesome. Thanks
Just want to make sure, these burnin love's have an AT binding, right? No point in putting a skin on an alpine binding as your mobility would be next to nothing. The skin question was answered sufficiently already, so thought I'd turn over this stone.
G3 makes the Alpinist Elle climbing skin, which is, in theory, for women. The advantage being (besides the cool - not pink - color) that It comes in a "short" size. I bought the short size for my skis, which are 158s at a width of 115, which is just slightly less than the widest part of the ski. I trimmed the skin to fit the skis and maximize coverage. I have used these skins for 2 seasons and really like them. The attachment system is the same as the expedition. They will definitely work for 160s and the short size comes in a variety of widths. Check out the size chart for details.
Sarah, You will be able to trim the tips and move up the tip attachment if you need to....but I'm guessing that if you order the 170's, the tail attachment range will provide you with enough room to fit those 160's without having to trim the tip. Again....if you do have to...it's no big deal...if you want extra security for the tip after you trim it...you can always sew it back in if you want but in my experience, the adhesive is enough to keep things together especially considering that this area does not get as much stress as you would think it does simply because the adhesive along the running length of the skin as it sticks to the base is distributing any tug and pull forces.
As for width....if you want wall to wall carpet...then measure from the widest portion of your ski....otherwise you can get away with less....I prefer wall-to-wall....YMMV.
There are several skins that come LONG, assuming you will cut them (that way they can just sell in widths, not lengths too). I had a pair of the Black Diamond skins (Ascension) which I cut to fit some 160 Rossis I had. Looks like BC.com has those in stock. The good thing about those is that you cut, then fold over. I knew I'd be getting longer skis eventually, so I left about 8 inches folded over, so I could make them longer for the next skis I had.
As far as width- there are a few trains of thought on this. Some people like a skinnier skin, and they cut it to expose the ski edge , and leave a strip of skin in the middle of the ski. Some people prefer "full-coverage", where you would get a fatter skin (as wide as the widest part of your ski), and then cut it to fit (http://www.backcountry.com/g3-trim-tool works wonders).
Everyone has an opinion on this- but basically, the more exposed ski you have, the more glide you'll have. The less exposed ski, the more grip.
so, how does the front part of the skin connect to my ski? I have Volkl Gotamas (2009) and wondering if its better than the other connector version on the G3 Alpinist skins? I think that version is better designed. What is the big difference between the two skins besides weight?
The tip loops just go over the tips of the ski. The Alpinist skins have a better design for blunt tipped powder skis. I'd go with the Alpinist skins over the Expeditions, but Black Diamond makes better quality skins and are worth looking into.
so, how does the front part of the skin connect to my ski? I have Volkl Gotamas (2009) and wondering if its better than the other connector version on the G3 Alpinist skins? I think that version is better designed. What is the big difference between the two skins besides weight?
You would be better off with a skin that covers at least the width of the tail, and you'd have the best luck with a skin size that comes as close as possible to the width of the tip of the ski. You'll probably want a 140mm or a 130mm. A 110 will be a bit too narrow and cause you to slip on the sides of your skis when traversing. Good luck.
Are these skins a one length fits all? Do you trim for length as well as width? I have the K2 Pontoons 189cm. The ski is a twin tip. How do these skins do in staying attached to twin tips?
These particular G3 skins are one length. They are 205cm long, so they will fit your 189 Pontoons. There shouldn't be too much of a problem attaching them to the tails, but to have a more secure attachment, you might want to get a triangle file and put a notch in the tail of the ski. Also, check out the twin tipped skins at climbingskinsdirect.com. Their skins are much better quality, as are Black Diamond. G3 skins are floppy and hard to use, in my experience, and they don't last as long as BD or csd.com skins. Enjoy!
what width should i get if i have rossi sickbirds. i think their dimensions are around 128-98-120. not sure if i can pull off the 120 or if i need to get the 130. thanks
Second that. However, check out Black Diamond skins or climbingskinsdirect.com. I have found G3 skins to be inferior to the aforementioned brands. G3 skins seemed too floppy and hard to use compared with BD, and also, they didn't last as long. A 130 or 125 would be ideal, but a 120 should do just fine. Enjoy.
These ones will work, for sure. Nothing wrong with G3 skins. That said, I seem to like Black Diamond gear better, especially the tailclip-less Standard skin from them. Works nice for twintips.
These ones will work, for sure. Nothing wrong with G3 skins. That said, I seem to like Black Diamond gear better, especially the tailclip-less Standard skin from them. Works nice for twintips.
They are adjustable for length. The front loop that hooks over the tip of your skis is manually installed on the skin by feeding the skin through the loop and sticking it back to itself to hold the loop in place. So you can trim down the skin to your desired length and then attach the tip loop and you're good to go.
These skins grip like crazy. I used them for a straight week and had only one complaint. The tail clip tends to fall off. I have a twin tip ski and more...
I've been using G3 skins for about 6 years from the Canadian Rockies to Europe to Tahoe and they have held up great. Excellent glue (holds even down more...
4 Comments Last Comment: January 13, 2012 by: Re Wikstrom
By: Re Wikstrom
January 13, 2012
The G3 skin cutting tool works different than the BD tool. If you try to use it like the BD tool (I was certainly guilty of this for one-hot-minute before I realized the difference), it will indeed suck. If you use it the way it is intended it should work great, and the nice thing about it, is that unlike the BD tool where you need to reposition the skins in order to cut in far enough to expose the edge of the ski, the G3 tool automatically cuts in to expose the edge of the ski without needing to reposition the skins for each cut.
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By: Matt Salladay
April 14, 2011
Ok got the new tails for these guys. Also found here http://www.backcountry.com/g3-twin-tip-connector-kit They absolutely solve the problem that i had with these skins. I have used them for the last half of this season and have zero complaints. The only thing. Be prepared to wrestle with them when putting on the connectors. Do it the night before a ski. Do not think that you can do this in the parking lot before you head out in the morning. It took me maybe 20-30 minutes to fit them on (I may be a big puss?) But once they are on you will never have problems.
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By: Matt Salladay
January 17, 2011
Ordered. Thanks for the tip! Will let you know.
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By: jvb
January 14, 2011
for your twin tips, these sound definitely do the trick:
nnectors
http://www.genuineguidegear.com/gear/accessories/twin-tip-co
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