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You want your skin to feel like a smooth, glidy part of your ski when you go up, and to feel feather-light in your pack on the way down. Welcome to the Alpinist Climbing Skin.
Low-profile tip connector uses pivoting hands to fit securely on your ski tip and eliminate the extra weight and floppiness of fold-over designs
Laminated tail uses G3 tail connection system for less drag
Advanced waterproofing treatment prevents clumping when you move through multiple climate zones
Temperature-tolerant adhesive won’t flake-out and loose stick when it gets cold
RipStrip makes it easy to pull off the ski and reduces skin-to-skin sticking
Best looking skin around. The tip attachment is the best I've seen for not dragging in the snow or having any buildup. Its so low-profile there is no resistance. Easily packable because they are so supple, but that could also be a problem because the thin plush doesn't grip as well as the thicker plush found on some skins (such as Black Diamonds).
Best looking skin around. The tip attachment is the best I've seen for not dragging in the snow or having any buildup. Its so low-profile there is no resistance. Easily packable because they are so supple, but that could also be a problem because the thin plush doesn't grip as well as the thicker plush found on some skins (such as Black Diamonds).
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Great skin the design just is so practical in every way. Have trusted these skins and been able to get up steeper inclines than any other skin I have had before.
I've got Wateas 114 (2011) that is 114 mm underfoot 186 cm long - what size should I get? Any issues attaching and keeping attached these skins on funky Watea boathull tip?
Thanks for the info. Since Wateas 114 are twintips does it make sense to get G3 twintip connector (http://www.backcountry.com/g3-twin-tip-connector-kit) or stock connector will work pretty consistently with them?
I have wateas as well. I have been using a pair of BD skins that were originally cut for another ski. I think the G3 connector at the tip will work much better than the black diamond tip connector. As far as sizing you will want the 140MM - Long.
I have toured these skins in everything from cold clear December days in Roger's Pass (-20 C), standard cloudy powder days somewhere in the -10 range, to t-shirt soaking Southern CA corn harvests (+20?) and they hold me like glue. They glide and grab extremely well, and stay clump free - I have never had any problems. Though I do agree with one gripe that they stick to themselves extremely readily since they are thin compared to BD skins - but it's not so bad that it has ever been frustrating. Cutting and fitting is a breeze, as with any skins. The tip attachment is bomber, I thought it might turn out to be finnicky in the BC but it has never come even close to slipping off. Now slap em on, and earn those turns!
These were my first skins so far for being the first pair, they work pretty good. I went with the longs and they fit just right for a pair of 176 twin tips. The only thing is I recommend getting the twin tip connector. I have had the tail slip off just a few times. Now go earn some.
If your skis are early rise then a 130 would be a good idea. As for the length, that depends on your ski length, check the sizing chart for help with that. But the 130 would be a proper width.
I really love these. They are super easy to trim using the provided tool (at least it was provided when I bought them). Far superior in traction to the BD's I have used. Maybe less glide when rolling a brief descent, but let's face it, we'd rather they climb well right? The tails have never fallen off either (unlike the BDs).
But that's about all they have going for them. I find they don't stick to the snow as well as Black Diamond skins, They don't go on skis or come off skis as well as Black Diamond skins. These skins will get you to the top of the hill, but they'll require just a little more effort than necessary. So I say, meh... get the BD skins.
With the rocker on those chargers, I think you'd be fine with getting 115's... The raised portion of the tip and tail aren't in contact with the snow, so getting a skin that fits your ski tip wall-to-wall is a bit of overkill. The 115's will give you full coverage underfoot, which is where the majority of your grip comes from anyhow. Lengthwise - kinda tricky since your 171's fall in the overlap in their sizing. Personally, I'd go with the short but you might consider asking someone at BC.com to check out the lengths on a pair of chargers. Use the live-chat and see what happens.
The biggest problem for me was the adhesive. Three trips (6ish hr trips with many laps/transitions) in a row these 130mm skins slipped from the ski and allowed for snow buildup between skin and ski. Yep, you can warm them up by putting them in your jacket, or you can use red straps to hold them to your skis....but then you are cold, wet, and slow. No reason to buy these when BD has better ones for sale.
Borrowed a pair of these over the weekend to fit on the teles and they worked great for what we were doing. I felt that the glide was just a little bit better than the full nylon BD skins I normally use, which was nice on some of the flatter spots. These also packed down smaller than the nylon ascensions. However I did notice that these did not grip as well on steeper sections. I kind of expected this after noting that the plush isn't nearly as thick as the all-nylon BDs, but the grip was more than adequate for most of the terrain we were on. The snow conditions were generally wetter and heavier, so these probably perform differently in colder and drier snow. The glue was ok, but not as sticky as BD glue. Some may like that, some not; it was fine for me. The one thing I didn't like was the stopping of the rip strip early before the tip and tail. This made for variable resistances when pulling the skins off. While not a huge deal if you take your skis off to transition, if you keep them on the skin didn't release in one fluid motion that I'm used to with a skin that has a full length rip strip. This is just me nit picking really. I'm sure I would get used to transitioning if I used these regularly. All in all, nice skins that save on weight and pack space if you're worried about that sort of thing.
I have a pair of G3 alpinist skins, and a pair of BD clipfix skins. I by far prefer the BD skins. They're stiff and easy to use in the cold. G3 skins are just too floppy. They both stick well, and I like G3's tip attachments, but what I want in a set of skins is quick, easy use. The BD skins will come right apart when I'm putting them on, and slip right off when I'm ready for the down. The stiffness of the BD skins increases the ease of use at the top of the hill when folding them together; I've not been able to get the G3 skins to stick together evenly easily at all- it's a fight. If you're like me at the top of the hill, you just want to peel 'em and squeel 'em. Fighting your skins at the top of the hill before a run, is no fun at all.
He is climbing in his crampons....He skinned up the the trail and glacier before the start of the climb...Some people do not bother putting there skins away until the summit...(You are able to skin a good portion of this pitch before you have to put your skis on your back....
great skins, easy to cut (included tool makes it a breeze) tip clips adjust to anything, bomber tail clip makes these super secure even when the glue gets cold or wet. the grip isn't quite as good as other's like climbingskinsdirect.com or Black Diamond's but the sleek design more than makes up for that.
You can always narrow the width of skins by cutting (and on BD skins you can shorten their length). Some people that are really serious on weight will pick a narrow skin that does not cover their whole ski. However, if you don't want to slide around, especially while traversing harder snow, pick a skin that is of equal or greater width than your skis widest dimension and trip the skin so there is 0.5cm of ski exposed on either side of your skin. Also a consideration for some mountaineers is that narrower skins are easier to put on your ski with high winds, but I think that's just about practice.
The short skin in a 130mm width would work well but it looks like they don't stock the short lengths here. You could try a medium 130mm as that will fit skis 171-181cm, probably close enough!
I like these a lot so far. I like that they are flexible which allows me to fold them up more tightly in my bag. They definitely aren't as sticky as my BD skins, but I haven't had any trouble with them coming off my skis and it does make pulling them apart easier. I find the grip a little less strong than my BDs, but barely. The glide is definitely better. My only complains are with the tip and tail attachments and they are minor. I had to widen the tip connectors to fit onto my DPS's and I found that fairly difficult. The tail clip, while fine, can be a bit tricky in the cold as the rubber is harder. I definitely prefer the BD tail clips.
What are the best SKINS for my K2 Coomback 135-102-121 188's. They are 102 underfoot. K2 made some skins that fit perfectly, but i cant get a hold of any?!?! Thanks for any help....I want the lightest possible for touring.
These skins have a really nice and sleek low-profile front attachment. The rear attachment is pretty good, but not quite as secure as the BD rear attachment. The precut dimensions are really nice and make trimming a breeze. The skins seem to get good traction in semi-soft snow, not sure about harder conditions. They skins are nice just not quite as durable as the BD's.
Hi there! I need a pair of skins my AT skies, they are 172cm long and 114-74-102 wide, which with of Skins should I get? I was thinking G3 Alpinist Size Medium 85, is that good? Cheers from Bariloche!
Hey! You could do the short or the medium length, but since your ski is 114 at the widest point you should go for the 115, and we only have that in the medium length. So that is going to be your best fit.
Pretty good skin. First skin, Wasn't a fan of the tail clip, so I just chopped it off to save weight. Wore out fast in my opinion but as I said they were my first skin. Had trouble with snow sticking to bottom, so make sure to pick up some skin wax. Adhesive also wore off pretty quickly.
Got a pair of work stinx 174. I think they're about 125 at widest point. For skiing in Australia so wet snow or ice most likely (DOH!) Anyway, any recomendations on a set of skins??? Cheers, Jack
These G3 skins will work great! Your best bet will be a set of 115mm mediums (171-181cm). The Work Stinx are 124mm at the tip. With the 155mm skins you will have 4.5mm of base/edge clear on either side of the tip. I highly recommend using the G3 trimmer tool. This thing rules! http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/G3-Trim-Tool/GGG0128M.html.
This is my first AT skin, I was slightly nervous about having to trim the skins by hand ect... Relax it is a piece of cake! Attaching the skin to the ski is easy as well. Just be sure you're in a clean area when trimming or anytime your skin's glue is exposed (VERY STICKY STUFF). Skinning up a mountain adds a whole new demension to skiing! I will keep you posted on their durability.
Looking for a little help here, my skis are 07 publics, 174 cm (118/85/109), I will mostly be useing them for backcountry in Australia, so most of the time will be wet powder/slush snow, or ice at the end of the day, what skins would you recommend?
Blsck Diamond MoHair/Nylon mix skins 120mm wide. Better glide than pure nylon, and better performance, ease of use, and durability than G3 skins. Enjoy!
Pros: durable, smart/low profile tip connection, light, glide Cons: cold affects glue more than BD, not as much traction as BD, tail hook needs to be longer for better leverage,
Summary: if you give em a few minutes to dry in the sun while stowing the rest of your gear and/or grabbin a scooby snack they stick pretty well. Tip doesn't catch snow and they take some abuse. They just don't grab that well on steeper ascents. Mine are for sale.
I would go long. That would give you some allowance for use with another ski, potentially. I'd also suggest looking at Black Diamond skins or climbingskinsdirect.com, as I think both those are much better skins. I think the G3 skins are pretty crumby, floppy, harder to use, and don't last as long. Climbingskinsdirect.com makes really high quality skins, and they cost about 2/3 the price of G3 or BD, although I think BD's are on sale right now. Both BD and climbingskinsdirect give better options and versatility for ski length. Hope that helps! Whichever you choose, happy climbs, and happy turns!
These are the first pair of skins I have owned. I thought they were very easy to work with. Loved the trimming tool. It trimmed the skins perfect so just the edge of the ski is exposed. Thanks for another great product.
I am hoping to do just a small amount of uphill climbing for an Alpine Run (50 yards - Catherines Way access- Alta Utah), maybe more if I get into it. Would Alpine Climbing skins be what I need? Thanks Zane
Most of the time it's easiest to side-step or boot pack a short hike like that. You would spend more time getting your skins on and off then you would just going going for it sans skins. If you do decide to get into touring and doing some bigger ascents, go for the Black Diamond skins. The BD skins are a lot better.
I haven't had the same issues with grip that some have stated. Althought they don't grip as well as the BD they are more than adequate. I did find them to improve after a few outings so the nap may loosen a bit to improve them. I also don't mind the thickness. Yes, they do get blown around at the summit but I like the flexibility and lack of bulk when I am stashing them in my jacket on quick laps. My issue has been with the adhesive. I did have an occasion where I did get a bit of snow on the adhesive side. I needed to duck tape them back on for the second lap. This has only happened once but wasn't lots of fun. Oh...I really don't care about the graphics I am not sure why anyone cares what they look like when they are on the snow most of the day.
Hi. I need some help picking out some skins. I am buying them for my boyfriend. Since I am a snowboarder I do not know what I need. I may need to find more info off of his ski's as well. I know his skis are 181 liberties. But Im not sure what they are under foot. What information do I need before buying? And once I have the info. what should I be looking for?? Please help!
For 181's a size Medium should work (171 - 181cm).
Then it will come down to width. These are made in 70, 85, 100, 115, 130 and 140mm widths. For the best fit, measure the ski at its widest point; this will be near the tip. Or, if you know what ski it is, these dimensions will be posted.
Pick the skin width closest to this spec and then trim to fit. ie: A ski measuring 129mm at the tip should use a 130mm skin.
These are very well designed skins that don't need to be trimmed length wise and have the best front tip hook system. The hooks are well thought out with minimal contact area and flush metal hooks that prevent the other skis popping skins out. The trimming was pretty easy.
I have older style G3 skins now and love them, but they are getting near to needing replacement. How do the tip clip things compare reliability wise? Have folks found these to stay on well?
The trim tool that comes with the G3 skins makes sizing a breeze.
So far I have been happy with the grip the skins provided, definitely an upgrade from my old skins (that were a transplant from my old skis and narrower than my current ones).
Since I bought the skins I have been out only a couple of times, so I cannot report on durability.
I got the 115mm for my K2 Obsethed, which are 138-105-125 and they work out great, even though I'm missing some coverage on my tip and tail. As Matthew said above, you'll just have to get it trimmed in the middle (trimmer comes with the skins) and they'll fit on your skis almost perfect, with good coverage on the tip and tail. Have fun, these skins are awesome!
I guess I am old school, but I alway size for the waist of the ski. I hate when I fold them up and I get glue sticking everywhere. That said, I would probably aim for 100 wide to minimize that issue. I agree with Matthew that the tip does not get you much traction anyway.
When sizing up a skin for a ski you want as much coverage as possible. With that being said, we're working in millimeters, a very small measurement, and most of the traction you get when skinning up comes from the last 3/4 of the ski. The tip really doesn't help generate any traction. A 115 skin will obviously get you great coverage underfoot, and in the tail, you'll have 2 mm on either side of the skin, which is basically the thickness of the edge, and material you would have trimmed away anyway if you were cutting the skin to size. And in the front, you will end up about 5 mm on either side, hardly a large amount.
It appears that by getting the 115, you end up with an almost perfectly fitted skin without having to do any trimming except in the middle part of the ski to fit the waist. If you went for the next size up, you would be spending more money and cutting away a lot of material. The 115 is the perfect size. Go for it.
Here is g3's guide for choosing a skin. You will see the 115 fits in perfectly for the size ski you will be using: http://www.genuineguidegear.com/service/g3-learning-centre/skins
These go on easy, stay on tight, and grip like I couldn't believe. I kept finding steeper inclines and these things motored right up. Straight up. Amazing skins. Way to go G3. 10 out of 10 for sure. I have 189 K2 Pontoons, 140mm wide skins, trimmed to fit.
Tricky the mediums range from 171-181 and the Large 180-190. I think you would be able to get away with the Medium you will have some tail showing on your larger skis but that should matter since they are twin tipped and the tail doesn't even hit the snow.
I've a pair of last (08/09) season's Alpinist skins. I bought them to go on a pair of Fat-ypus D-Sender skis, and found that the tail clip wouldn't stay on the full twin-tip tail. I found that the BD tail clip worked much better.
G3 are rumored to be tweaking the tail clip for the 2010/11 season. I would wait until then if you plan to use these on twin-tips.
Easy to put on, great traction on steep ascents, comes with a great tool for cutting them for your skis, and for storing them. Flawless in my opinion. Greatly reccomended!
yes. The trim tool these come with is incredible. I saved it and was more a fan of the BD attachment method, but when I bought their skins their trim tool sucked. Save this tool for use with other pairs of skins. Great great tool for DIY
These were incredibly easy to cut with the trim tool that is provided by G3, and not by Black Diamond. I've never used or cut Black Diamond skins before, but my friends who have, said it's a pain in the ass and takes a while. Well it didn't with the G3s. I also love the tip connector pieces that connect it to the top of the ski, they make it easy to take off and on and line the skins up with the shape of the ski. From the three times I've used them so far, they work just fine. Some may argue the material is not as thick, and may not catch as well as some of it's thicker competitors, but I didn't notice. They held going up hill just as well as my buddy's BD's.
I am 5'6'' 140lbs and have 174cm K2 Coombas (135-102-121) and I am looking at these G3 skins. Is it worth getting 130ish skins and trim them to cover the base wall to wall or should I go with a skin around 100mm that covers the base under foot. I do not want a boat to drag up hill, but at the same time want enough coverage not to slide back. Any thoughts?
Get the skins that fit the widest part of your ski (except for some extreme fatties) and then trim down to the waist. You'll appreciate the extra coverage.
My other two skins are the BCA Low Fat (on some skinny Karhu XCD) and Climbing Skins Direct simples (on K2 Shuksan). I've always had trouble skinning up very steep degrees with those skins, and these seem to be a bit better (however, they're also considerably wider). Regarding the features, I am quite happy with the low bulk/weight design. The tip clips are effortless and make it easy to center the skin on the ski and the tail clip stays put and comes off on demand. I've had significantly less icing-up problems with these as compared to the CSD skins--due, I'm sure, to the factory waterproofing treatment. I have not experienced the "floppy" effect others here have complained about, but that could be because I bought the 115mm size and use them, uncut, on my 116mm waist skis.
Dustin, these skins have a set length bracket since there's no folding through a tip loop to adjust for your skis; that's why they come in S, M, L etc.
Pick up the xShort length. Get a width that is close to the widest part of your ski, then open a beer. Trim the width with the included Skin Cutter. It's super easy.
you buy skins based on the width of your skis not really the length as the skins are cut to fit the length of the ski by you. You can either measure the tip of your ski and buy skins that wide or measure the middle of the ski and buy that width. If you buy skins based on the middle width you won't have full coverage and may slip in icy conditions. I always buy skins based on my tip width.
This is definitely a quality skin. The innovative tip attachment piece works great. Don't let it scare you away. I haven't had any problems with it yet. There is another model by G3 that is the female version, don't get those two confused. All around quality skin!
Despite other posts, I have found that these skins not climb slopes greater than 25 degrees well. On slopes equal or greater than these, I am often slipping backwards regardless of the snow conditions. In comparison, my friends, with BD skins, have no problems on these pitches.
I guess G3 designed these skins for alpinists whom climb slopes with gradients less than most freeway on-ramps.
At the beginning of this season, I purchased these skins and I couldn't be happier. The glue is the perfect stickiness, the attachments on the front and the back keep the skin locked in place, and the mesh liner really aides in removing the skins while on steep slope.
This is my first pair of skins. With that said, the cutting tool was great and they fit very well. They climb well but seem to stick quite a bit on downhill. The clips on the top also come off occasionally, as do the clips on the back.
I found these skins fine when breaking trail in powder but on steep,packed down switch backs I lost traction a would slide backwards,where my buddies with BD skins had no issues.I personally wouldn't buy them again.
Best looking skin around. The tip attachment is the best I've seen for not dragging in the snow or having any buildup. Its so low-profile there is more...
Best looking skin around. The tip attachment is the best I've seen for not dragging in the snow or having any buildup. Its so low-profile there is more...