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- A tongue stiffness rated at 10/10 on Full Tilt�s scale keeps you in control
- Pro liner and rigid bootboard offer all the structure and reinforcement you need to make aggressive turns and technical maneuvers
- Seamless foam inside the thermo-moldable liner provides a smooth, pinch-free feel
- Corrugated tongue flexes naturally to avoid that baseball-bat-to-the-shins feeling
- Full Tilt�s cable buckles work like shoe laces to apply even pressure to your feet�a welcome relief from most boots� tight spots
- J-Bar liner design holds your ankle firmly in place
- Stealth black chassis makes the boot your own personal Batmobile
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I am 5'7" 170 currently in Salomon x wave...
I am 5'7" 170 currently in Salomon x wave 9's. Have some old aftermarket intuition liners and custom beds in them but still not crazy about the fit and comfort level. Wondering if I will find the flex of these (with the 10 tongue) too much? Should i be considering this model with a different tongue or a different FT model altogether? i.e. classics or another model?
Is this the same as the Bumble Bee Pro for...
Is this the same as the Bumble Bee Pro for stiffness>
Nope, stiffer. The Bubble Bees used the dual density #6 tongue, which is now featured in the FT Classic. These us Full Tilts stiffest #10 tongue- same tongue that is used in the Seth Morrison Pro model.
when I first got these boots I started questioning my purchase- none of the shops in my area stock Full Tilts, so I had to buy them sight unseen, and boy were they TIGHT! I pulled the liners, stuck my foot in the empty shell and verified that I had enough room, then followed an online guide (thanks Teton) to baking the intuition liners. This was my first time using heat moldable liners, and let me tell you everything they say is true- the difference is amazing! These boots went from being super tight- unwearable after more than 10 mins to the most comfy boots I've ever worn- yet still have good performance. The buckles take a little while to get used to, but once you're familiar with them they're quicker to adjust than the regular kind. And the weight! They are so much lighter than my old boots..
No overlap boot for me-
I've been looking for a narrow boot but that means a stiffer flex because you usually have to move up the line of most conventional overlap boot brands. Didn't want too flashy a boot. Saw the First Chair and liked its look. I'm 5'8, 165 lbs and ski bowls and moguls most of the day. Right out of the box, boot was quite uncomfortable (they arrived freezing cold, odly enough, to Houston, TX). Cables were as loose as possible but still tight (like others have mentioned). I actually took off the cable cover to give the cables a little wiggle room. After about an hour the thermo liner started doing it's job. I've replaced the tongue with a #6, I've replaced the middle cable with the next size larger, I've moved the upper cable to the looser setting. I'll get them thermo molded and be ready to ski. Very happy with the purchase. These boots don't come with an insoles but can't see how I could get one in to fit. I wear thin wool race socks with them. I compared my old Lange X9 with this and when the X9 flexes forward, the ankle / forefoot area expands visually. When I flex the Full Tilt I find a nice continuous hold in that area of the boot without the expansion - just what it's suppose to do.
will this boot accommodate a larger calf?...
will this boot accommodate a larger calf? I tried on the Seth Morison and couldn't buckle the top buckle.
it will fit exactly the same. try going with a Dalbello IL Moro.
You can't get a good idea of the fit until you mold the liners. I have a larger calf and can't put the unmolded boots on. But they are heaven after I get them molded. Also- a good bootfitter will make this boot fit. And you won't ever look back.
Tried the Salomon X3 Lab Soft boot in a...
Tried the Salomon X3 Lab Soft boot in a 25.5 and they fit perfect: 130 flex, 95mm last. Only problem is they were way too hard to get on - the shell overlap is extremely thick and stiff, felt like the lower 2 buckles were closed when putting them on. Had to return them, can't handle the pain of putting them on and off.
My question: would the Full Tilt First Chair boots be narrow enough? Seems like the only boots narrow enough are World-Cup race boots, I currently have Lange World Cup 150 boots but looking for something a little softer, with a thicker liner and easier to get on and off. I'm 5' 10", 165, female, narrow feet, tired of slicing up my fingers getting stiff race boots on and off!
You should try the Salomon Ghost as well. They are 98mm and they are built on the Salomon race last. The stiffness is 130 and the 2 buckle construction may be better for your forefoot issues
I am also a female with narrow feet, although I am smaller than you (5'5", 130lbs)
The First Chair and womens Soul Sister both have a 99mm last.
I did a run the 2010/2011 full tilt womens Soul Sister at Stratton last year and I found it wide for a narrow boot, but they were also a little big.
I measure a 24.5, wear a size 8 sneaker, and I wear a 23.5 ski boot.
They only had the 24.5 and it was too big. It was also a little long, so it was probably the wrong size for me anyway.
I ski the Salomon Poison. It has a flex of 90 and a 98mm last. It is the Women's equivalent to the men's Shogun (flex 100). I have also tried on the Salomon Instinct CS in a 24 and I found it too wide, even though they are both Salomon and have the same last. I used to have the Salomon Scarlet size 24, which I found to be narrower than the instinct. The Scarlet is discontinued (replaced by the poison).
I have practically no room in a shell fit in my poisons but it doesnt feel too short at all, even though i wear a size 8 in a sneaker and they my boots are a 23.5.
The liner: Looking at the liner, it appears thin, but wearing the boot, it feels soft and cushy, not in a bad way like a beginners boot. They feel supportive and stiff.
You might want to try going down a shell size, but be careful that that shell size isn't softer. I would also recommend the whole size and not the half size because they both have the same shell, but the whole size has a thicker liner. Atomic boots are not like this (ie. the 24.5 and 25 will have the same shell). Dalbello might be the same way.
Since you were in world cup boots, especially a boot with a flex of 130, I will assume that you are a strong skier. The 24-25.5 should have the same upper shell so that should be the same stiffness. A larger size will be stiffer than a smaller size. My 23.5 are made using the top part of the 22-23.5. I feel like it is a little too short, but they are the closest to perfect I have ever found. I can't flex them when it is really cold, but I like that I can't flex them, but I am also smaller than you.
A woman's boot will be narrower than a men's boot of the same last, but world cup boots are probably different.
A bootfitter might be able to make the Soul Sister fit. The soul sister has a medium flex (6 on full tilt's scale of 10) but you can buy a stiffer tongue to make it stiffer.
If you can find the Scarlet in your size (flex of 85, but I couldn't flex it and I found it to be stiffer than the Salomon Idol 8CS, also with a flex of 85), try it on. Also try the poison, if you can find it.
This is my first year not racing, an first non- race boot ever. these boots are not as stiff as race boots but still rip hard and provide a lot of support. they are the most comfortable boots i have ever put on my feet. the 3 piece design lets the boot flex in the most natural way possible because they bend in an acordian like way. dont let the old school joey look fool you, these boots are sick!
I tried these on and the boot fitter was...
I tried these on and the boot fitter was barely able to close the buckles. My foot was in considerable pain over the ankle and instep. I went to another shop for a second opinion and the boot fitter didn't think that he could close the buckles without heat molding the liner first. Is this typical when the liner isn't molded? I have a low instep D width foot and I am able to fit into a Krypton with the regular and ID liners. I've heard that the fit should be similar in both boots.
I had the same problem at first. I didn t mold them and just rode them unbuckled for a couple of days. Of course there was some pain at first just like any new ski boot. After 4 days i could buckle them up and even go a couple notches down. The most comfortable boot I have ever worn with the highest performance and the warmest. I have the 2010 FT Konflicts. Give them a little time, sooo worth it. I ve been skiing for 30 years and finally a comfortable boot that performs like a race boot. They rip!!
I am looking for a 130-160 flex boot, how...
I am looking for a 130-160 flex boot, how does the 10/10 flex stack up to that?
That is about the same ball-park. The 10 is the stiffest that Full Tilt makes, so can be compared to downhill racers or big mountain boots.
The window between 130 to 160 is huge! I'm curious to see the actual stiffness of 160's if some brands claim for it. At Salomon, the 130 are the stiffest and correspond to our race boots and big mountain boots (Ghost and X3)
Will BC be getting this boot in any more...
Will BC be getting this boot in any more sizes? I'm looking for a 296mm shell. Would that be a Mens 8.5 or 9.0 in this boot?
That's roughly a 25.5 shell (296mm), which would be in the 7.5 range. Buy 'em up!