Change is a good thing.
Lets face it—being the descendant of a long line of boots that ski as hard and are as famously comfortable as Full Tilts puts a lot of expectations on any new generation of boots that might come down the line. And while the Full Tilt Men's Descendant 8 Ski Boots may be a whole new build for Full Tilt, they still have the pedigree of a tried and true Full Tilt, so you can bet your beer money that they'll provide the same infinite flex, top-shelf comfort, and customizable flex of the old standbys in the Full Tilt line.
The Descendant is an all-new build for Full Tilt and has been rebuilt from the ground up. The newly designed Evolution Shell weaves the same components of traditional Full Tilt boots with with a wider last, dual material soles, and a re-worked buckle system, so you get the same performance you've come to expect from Full Tilt, without having to cram your wide foot in a pair of narrow boots. Full Tilt knows the best way to ruin a good thing is by changing it, so you'll find the same free flexing cuff that won't bottom out on you, as well as the same customizable flex, which allows you to adjust the stiffness of the boot to better suit temperature, snow conditions, or what kind of skiing you're planning on doing. The shock absorbing boot board remains intact with a shock-absorbing layer of rubber integrated into the sole of the shell for an always smooth ride. The Descendant keeps the same Quick Fit liners that can be heat molded, but also use multiple densities of foam to offer supreme comfort and better responsiveness where you need it most.
- Stiff flex (8 out of 10 on Full Tilt's scale)
- 102mm last
- Free flexing cuff
- Three-piece shell
- Shock absorbing boot board
- Customizable flex
- Ribbed tongue
- Quick Fit liner (thermo-moldable)
- Interchangeable, dual-density sole
- Item #FLT000N
- Q & A
Started out strong
- Familiarity: I gave it as a gift but have feedback to share
Got these as a gift for someone, they gave some feedback.
First week of riding was great, not hard to wear these in at all. They do run a bit small, do not size down on these!
After 2 weeks out they become a little less impressive and the ride seemed to be "bumpy"
Unfortunately they do have a couple pressure points on the toes, heels fit awesome!
Giftee said there was no regret! he would buy them again but just not his #1 choice.
Mid season update
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
So after wearing these for 40 days on the mountain I finally developed a problem with these. I tomahawked in my skis and one of the skis didn't eject. It must have put enough torque on the boot it cracked the shell by the base of my big toe. Full tilt was incredible on the customer service end and replaced them to my doorstep within 2 days of calling them. Their customer service is amazing and that alone is worth sticking with them.
As for this tongue problem I keep hearing about, I put 40 days in this year and not one problem, but I will admit I have been cautious with it since reading that review. I tipically take my time getting in and out of the boots and don't yank on the tongue. I also did some adjusting of my own and put a little white petroleum based grease on the metal clip itself which made the tongue move 100x more smooth. I would suggest using a lubricant on the piece as it will slide smoother creating less friction and less of an issue with having to really grip it and rip it. Other than that, this boot is sooo comfortable I have never had a better boot. I forget to loosen them at the end of the day they are so comfortable so I end up drinking beers for hours with my buddies none the wiser.
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
I read the previous review about the weak point on the tongues but ordered them anyway.
Knowing it was an issue I was very careful to never put any torque on the toe of the tongue. My first day on the mountain with them I took my boots off at lunch to give my feet a break and the metal rivet snapped like a soggy toothpick. My day was over.
The best Alpine boot I have ever worn...
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I have had these boots for about a month now. I wore them around my house for several days making sure the fit was good and I was set to wear them skiing. Opening day this year was the 29th of October here in CO and since then I have rode 7 days. Though I have only skiid 7 days this is the most comfortable boot I have ever worn. I have very narrow feet, but suffer from bone spurs on the medial large toe joint of my big toe. The last on these definitely gives me extra room, padding and protection of my foot that I never achieved with other brands, even in their 102 last boots. I opted not to heat mold these intuition liners like have in the past, because I have never been to wowed with the results as well as these were comfy right out of the box.
The wrap liner like all full tilts gives you a stiff flex which is great for transfer of power. The buckle system is much better than older versions of full tilts and gives you a more security in the boot. The tongue flex is great on these for me, I would say about a 110-100 flex in the #8, but you can buy a #10 or #6 tongue to swap out if you need a different flex. Unlike the review below by tinscastle, my tongue system has had no problems at all; and I have been messing with them for a month with 7 days out in variable snow conditions and 1 pow day. Since day 1 I have logged 4 days with 30k plus vert. Aside from that my boots are not missing any screws.
This boot is so lite and and has the sturdiness of my old Cochise 130s. I have hit a few big kickers and the rubber definitely sounds out bigger hits. The shell is stiff enough that I don't feel like the weight compromises the performance. The liners don't feel like they are packing out like my booters did. Aside from that I will continue to update through the season, but right now with this many days on the mountain, this is by far the best boot experience yet.
Not off to a good start.....
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
So, I've been a HUGE fan of Full Tilt boots for years. I've had a couple of pairs of the First Chair. They always ran narrow for me as I have a wide foot. I'd get them punched a few times to make them work because I love the flex and ease of the shell. Never one complaint.
This year they came out with the Descendant 8 with the wider shell and I jumped at it.
I've owned these boots for about 36 hours at this point and have run into problems:
There are screws missing from the front of the toe piece on each boot, had to go to the hardware store to find replacement screws to help prevent the toe piece from falling off or peeling back.
Second, the tongue is now attached with a rivet. This is probably the worst thing about the new boot. The older tongues had what amounted to a T-Bolt that was heat pressed into it. I'm sure I'm wrong in the explanation, but the tongue on my new boot has already broken off. I'm glad it happened now instead of on a ski trip. It appears that when the rivet was struck into the clip, it wasn’t straight and didn’t set right. For that matter, both tongues are going to be the weak spot of these boots because they are barely held onto the clip that attaches to the shell.
I have yet to call or send in the shell since it happened after Full Tilt's customer service hours, just wanted to give people a heads up as this shell is already a lower quality from previous products released by Full Tilt.
I sincerely hope this can get fixed with a better solution as I am I diehard fan of Full Tilt.
I will update and revise as the shell repair process takes place.
Full Tilt was a little difficult arranging the return. Backcountry was awesome in helping get the return sorted out. Waiting on info so that I can return it to Full Tilt for repair.
4/6/2016 – End of season update.
November I received an email to send in the shell instead of them just sending me a new tongue for the old one. Full Tilt wanted to see the whole shell, but he process was going to take up to 6 WEEKS according to them. With the season opening in 2 weeks, I went to the hardware store and purchased a T-Bolt and fixed it myself.
As for the performance of the boot, I was very disappointed. I’ve owned several brands of boots growing up and the Descendant 8 has the most heel play of any boot I’ve ever worn, even when cranked all the way down. In fact, I’ve never experienced it until I wore these boots. Also, the boots killed the top of my feet even after remolding the liners twice at two different shops. I think its how the middle strap is connected to the exterior of the shell at the pivot point instead of at a rigid point a little higher up the shell, so as the boot flexes, the cable has more movement than it normally would. I finally gave up on them in January 2016 and finished the season with my old First Chair boots.
I wanted so desperately for these boots to work due to the wider last and for my previous great experiences with Full Tilt boots. The price point off this boot does not reflect the final product, very disappointed. These boots are cheaply made, poor construction and poor design.
What's the BSL on this new shell in a 28.5? Thanks in advance.