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Addition to prior review! GReat Crack shoe!

    Given with crack shoes, I ALWAYS size UP! I could not imagine sticking my foot in a crack sized down, you really cannot expect to get the same performance if you are going to downsize in a crack shoe!!!

    Great Shoe

      I've had other 5.10s and these are awesome just the same. They sized up the same as my other 5.10 shoes. I'm pretty hard on shoes as I like so smear a lot so I wear the toes but they seem to be holding up quite well. The rubber took a few climbs to break in for full traction but once they did they have amazing grip on just about any rock! I love em and will probalby keep a pair of them around no matter what other shoes I get.

      stellar crack shoe, solid all-arounder

        All day comfort, great crack jamming and good all around performance make this a very nice shoe for those long routes or seriously demanding cracks. They are quite narrow and have ridiculously long laces (had to cut mine short). I have a narrow foot (borderline AA) and this fit like a glove in the width department. I could have sized them a half size smaller for a better fit around the toes but it's still workable. I wear a size 13 street shoe and typically wear 12.5 in Five Ten shoes so I went with a 12.5 on these. A 12 would have been better and not painful as I did notice a small amount of stretch or eventual form fitting to my foot. The toe box area has some extra space above the middle toes area which I appreciate as I have long second toe and this shoe gives it room to scrunch up into.

        sick stiff crack shoe, just what you need for crack climbing

          The pitons are a sick shoe for cracks and actually prove to do pretty well smearing because of their stiff nature. Rubber high up on the toe side enables you to stick in cracks awesomely. I do have a wider foot and these are the second best crack shoe I have found yet, next to the Shark by Madrock (which is no longer made). These shoes rival the Mythos for smearing quality suprisingly as well. Great Shoe. The more you climb them the better they perform!

          sick stiff crack shoe, just what you need for crack climbing

            The pitons are a sick shoe for cracks and actually prove to do pretty well smearing because of their stiff nature. Rubber high up on the toe side enables you to stick in cracks awesomely. I do have a wider foot and these are the second best crack shoe I have found yet, next to the Shark by Madrock (which is no longer made). These shoes rival the Mythos for smearing quality suprisingly as well. Great Shoe. The more you climb them the better they perform!

            Stiff substantial shoe

              My foot doesn't fit in this shoe. I have a wide foot. But the shoe is really stiff, wrapped with thick rubber, that I know is sticky from other shoes, and seems and feels bomb proof. The shoe is super, super, stiff. I can't imagine using it anywhere but inside a crack. So if you are not looking for that go somewhere else. And the shoe laces are about 2 feet too long, what's up with that that? Plan on buying new laces.

              Amazing for Cracks

                I got these little guys before my trip to Moab and Devils Tower and I was so impressed. The rubber on them are absolutly amazing as they stick to anything really. I was also amazed how well they edged and how comfy they were (you know...relativly speaking.) My only complaint is the heel around the leather digs in beyond belief at first. Luckly I broke them in at Moab and not the tower. I just folded the pull tabs inside the shoe so it wouldn't dig into my achilles. Needless to say, my first day with them my heels were a bloody mess, but once they broke in they were perfect. Needless to say, I will give it a 5 because break-in time shouldn't go against it.

                Happy Climbing

                Great shoes

                  After 2 other pairs of piton's I finally have a pair that works. The first pair, the tongue fell off after 5 sessions in the gym. The second pair I downsized and they were actually biggger. The last pair I just received and they seem to be great. I haven't had the chance to wear these outside but for gym climbing they are comfy and stick well.

                  Great shoe, bad foot

                    I really wanted to succeed with these Pitons. My "standard" shoe is the women's Mythos. I have very narrow feet, and so far, the Mythos achieved the best fit I've known. But the Mythos were very painful for trad crack climbing, in part due to the superb, long lacing system. It put laces over my foot way down at the "business end" where the thinner leather and the laces became hurtful during thin jams.

                    So, after checking around and looking, the Pitons appeared to be a marvelous shoe for trad cracks, with extremely thick rubber encasing the toebox area. I tried a number of sizes to identify the smallest size I could stand for break-in, in order to achieve the narrowest insole.

                    Despite these efforts, there just wasn't any way I would be able to climb with them, not because of the shoe's build, but because my foot could not adequately fill the shoe. With the best size match, I still had about a centimeter of space between my lesser toes and the perimeter of the shoe.

                    I admire the build and style of these shoes, and every user I spoke to had glowing praise for them. Unfortunately, a person with an A/B foot will not be able to obtain a fit permitting safe climbing.

                    I'm back in the Sportiva line, trying some Barracudas, that may fit acceptably, but they will never provide the heavy coverage and protection that the Pitons would have. Those with D/E feet who want some maximum grip, grab and coverage in the toebox should be delighted with Pitons.

                    Pitons The Great

                      I would say this way... I am probably the largest polish climber 127,2 kg weight(net!) And Pitons are the only shoes that can stand this effort. They are great on limestone holes and small tooths and also friction is very fine. This summer I shall try them on Tatras' granite. I hope i won't destroy them (mountains)

                      crack rock

                        Not as illegal but you will become addicted. I used these for trips to Indian Creek and they held up marvelously to the abuse that I put them through. They aren't as aggressive or as form fitting to my foot as I would like - I like the fit of mythos better. They are comfy enough for all day traditional adventures, though.

                        Sickness

                          If you need a trad shoe, your search is over. These are comfortable - I have a narrow foot and they fit me like a glove. Not too tight, just a perfect fit. The Stealth Onyx rubber is simply the best on the market. The rubber wraps all the way around the top of the toe, so if you're blowing out the laces in your Mythos from toe jamming, this is your next shoe.

                          My only complaint is that the sizing is funky. I wear about a size 8.5-9 in other Five Ten shoes, but a size 7.5 is perfect in these. Weird.

                          I'm looking for a good shoe for cracks and...

                          I'm looking for a good shoe for cracks and longer routes. I love my Muiras, but have to take them off after every pitch. I wear a 13 street shoe, and a 44.5 in the Muiras (US 11). Should I get these a little bit bigger, size 11.5 or 12?

                          I wear a size 10 Five Ten Moccasym -- how...

                          I wear a size 10 Five Ten Moccasym -- how do these compare?

                          The Piton is also leather, but being lined it will not stretch to the same extent as a Moccasym. If you sized down for the Moccasym 2 sizes, I would suggest sizing down 1 size for the Piton, if that. Remember, if you are intending this as a trad shoe you will like having a bit of comfort for longer pitches and cracks. Pick a size dependent on your intended use.