More sizes from fewer pieces.
The DMM Dragon Anodized Cams use a double-axle design to provide an incredibly high expansion range that standard cams simply can't match. This means that you have to carry fewer cams to cover the range of crack sizes on a given pitch, and you're more likely to grab the correct size when you're desperately trying to get in a piece at the crux. DMM added an extendable sling to this cam so as to let you adjust length for reduced rope drag on meandering pitches. As one of the most versatile camming devices available, the Dragon Cams are hard to beat.
- Double-axle design for extra expansion range
- Double axles work as cam stops to add security to tipped-out placements
- Doubled sling provides more extension to reduce rope drag on wandering pitches
- Careful machining eliminates all unnecessary weight from these cams
- Extendable 8mm Dyneema slings keep sling weight low and bulk to a minimum
- Color-coded anodizing helps you identify the correct size quickly
Terms And Conditions
This Usage Agreement (the "Agreement") governs your conduct while using various services on the web site Backcountry.com and its affiliate web sites (collectively, the "Site"). All references to "we," "us," and "our" shall mean Backcountry.com and all references to "you" and "your" shall mean the user of the Site and Site Services. This Agreement applies to various services and activities on the Site as well as to gear review and product ratings (collectively, "Site Services"). Please read this Agreement carefully.
BY ACCESSING, BROWSING, AND USING THE SITE, ANY SITE SERVICES AND OTHER SERVICES THEREIN, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS AGREEMENT AND ITS TERMS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THIS AGREEMENT OR ANY SUBSEQUENT MODIFICATION THEREOF, DO NOT ACCESS, BROWSE OR OTHERWISE USE THE SITE OR SITE SERVICES, INCLUDING THE SUBMISSION OF ANY REVIEWS OR COMMENTS.
Any comments, reviews (including gear reviews and product ratings), posts, feedback, questions, answers, notes, messages, images, video, audio, materials, documents, data, graphics, ideas, suggestions or other communications (collectively, "User Content") you submit on the Site are not private or proprietary. By submitting User Content on or through the Site, you grant, assign and transfer to Backcountry.com all of your rights, title and interest, including without limitation, all intellectual property rights and moral rights, in and to such User Content. To the extent the preceding assignment and transfer is ineffective, you hereby grant Backcountry.com an irrevocable, royalty-free, worldwide, perpetual right and license to use, copy, modify, adapt, display, publish, archive, store, distribute, reproduce and create derivative works based upon such User Content, in any form, media, software or technology of any kind now existing or developed in the future.
By submitting such User Content on or through the Site, you are confirming that (a) you are the sole author of the User Content and the User Content originated with you and not copied in whole or in part from any other work; (b) you have obtained all necessary permissions associated with the User Content, including without limitation permissions relating to copyrights, trademarks, rights of publicity and/or rights of privacy; (c) the User Content does not contain hate speech or profanity and is not unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, libelous, obscene, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, an invasion of another's privacy, or otherwise in violation of this Agreement; (d) that you are not a minor and have the legal right and capacity to enter into and comply with this Agreement; (e) such User Content does not and will not, in any way, violate or breach any of the terms of this Agreement; and (f) Backcountry.com shall not in any circumstances be required to pay or incur any sums to any person or entity as a result of its use or exploitation of the User Content.
With respect to your conduct on the Site or while using the Site Services, you agree not to: (a) attempt to disguise the origin of any User Content transmitted to the Site Services whether through the Site or any third party site; (b) act in any manner that negatively affects other users' ability to use the Site and Site Services; (c) impersonate any person or entity, including without limitation, a manufacturer or owner of any product, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; (d) interfere with the Site or Site Services, or servers or networks connected to the Site or Site Services, or disobey any requirements, procedures, policies, or regulations of networks connected to the Site or Site Services; (e) upload, post, or otherwise transmit any User Content that with respect to the Site Services: (i) is not relevant to the product, service, person or entity being reviewed; (ii) you do not have a right to transmit under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships (by way of example but not limitation, inside information, proprietary and confidential information learned or disclosed as part of employment relationships or under nondisclosure agreements); (iii) contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or (iv) is unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or any other form of solicitation.
User Content does not reflect the views of Backcountry.com, and Backcountry.com does not represent or guarantee the truthfulness, accuracy, completeness, timeliness, integrity, quality or reliability of any User Content, nor does Backcountry.com endorse or support any opinions expressed in any User Content. In no event shall Backcountry.com have or be construed to have any responsibility or liability for or in connection with any User Content, Any gear reviews and/or product ratings submitted on the Site, if displayed, are displayed for entertainment and informational purposes only. Under no circumstances will Backcountry.com be liable in any way for any User Content, including but not limited to, any errors or omissions in any User Content, or for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any User Content posted, emailed or otherwise transmitted via the Site or Site Services.
If Backcountry.com determines, in our sole and absolute discretion, that you or any User Content you submit violates this Agreement, we reserve the right, at any time, without notice and without limiting any and all other rights Backcountry.com may have under this Agreement, to: (a) refuse to allow you to submit further User Content; (b) remove and delete your User Content; (c) revoke your registration and right to use the User Content Submission Features; and (d) use any technological, legal, operational or other means available to enforce the terms of this Agreement, including, without limitation, blocking specific IP addresses or deactivating your registration, access to the Site and Site Services using your e-mail address, and your user name and password. Without limiting the foregoing, once User Content is submitted to the Site, Backcountry.com may take any or no action with respect to such User Content, including without limitation, deleting, editing, modifying, rejecting, or refusing to post such User Content, but is under no obligation to offer you the opportunity to edit, delete or otherwise modify User Content once it has been submitted. Backcountry.com shall have no duty to attribute authorship of User Content to you and shall not be obligated to enforce any form of attribution by third parties.
If, despite the foregoing assignment and transfer of rights in the User Content, it is determined that you retain moral rights (including the rights of attribution or integrity) in the User Content, you hereby declare that: (a) you do not require that any personally identifying information be used in connection with the User Content or any derivative works of or upgrades or updates thereto; (b) you have no objection to the publication, use, modification, deletion and exploitation of the User Content by Backcountry.com or its licensees, successors or assigns; (c) you forever waive and agree not to claim or assert any entitlement to any and all moral rights of an author in any of the User Content; and (d) you forever release Backcountry.com, and its licensees, successors and assigns from any claims that you could otherwise assert against Backcountry.com by virtue of any such moral rights.
You are prohibited from violating the security of any system or network compromising the Site or the Site Services, including but not limited to the following: (a) unauthorized access to or use of data, systems, or networks, including any attempt to probe, scan or test the vulnerability of the Site or Site Services or to breach security or authentication measures; (b) unauthorized monitoring of data or traffic on the Site or of the Site Services; (c) interference with the Site or Site Services including without limitation, any type of flooding technique or deliberate attempt to overload the system such as denial or service attacks; (d) forging of a message header or any part of a message header; or (e) using manual or electronic means to avoid any use or access limitation placed on this Site or the Site Services. Such violations may result in criminal or civil liability.
Backcountry.com reserves the right to report any activity or persons that Backcountry.com suspects has violated any law or regulation to appropriate law enforcement officials, regulators, or other appropriate third parties (including the disclosure of appropriate subscriber information). Backcountry.com may also cooperate with appropriate law enforcement agencies to assist in the investigation and prosecution of any illegal conduct. Indirect or attempted violations of this Agreement and actual or attempted violations thereof by a third party on behalf of any user shall be considered violations of this Agreement by such user.
BACKCOUNTRY.COM DOES NOT ENDORSE THE USER CONTENT, IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE USER CONTENT AND SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY TO ANY PERSON OR ENTITY (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, PERSONS WHO MAY USE OR RELY ON SUCH USER CONTENT) FOR ANY LOSS, DAMAGE (WHETHER ACTUAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, PUNITIVE OR OTHERWISE), INJURY, CLAIM, LIABILITY OR OTHER CAUSE OF ANY KIND OR CHARACTER BASED UPON OR RESULTING FROM ANY USER CONTENT PROVIDED THROUGH THIS WEB SITE.
Share your thoughts
Easily My Favorite Piece
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
The expandable webbing is what makes this piece perfect. No rope drag=happy climbing. The expansion range is also amazing. Every time I have a chance to grab at my rack and find my perfect little purple .5 I smile because I know it will be a bomber placement. Also they are almost always on sale, so hold out if it says anything other than sixty bucks, despite them being well worth more.
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
The Dragons are amazing cams. First of all they maintain both color and size to that of the BD C4's, so if you are familiar with the BDs sizing then there is no learning curve to the sizing on these bad boys. Secondly, the lack of a leash loop makes cleaning these cams a bit easier when really buried into a crack. I find that the extendable leash is kind of a gimmick. The stiff stitching will not pass through the leash loop meaning you have to pull on the correct leash side in order to fully extend. This is a pain when placing gear in a pumpy scenario; IMO it is easier to throw a runner on instead. Furthermore, my partner complains about cleaning the route when I extent a leash. They are hard to return to their non-extended state; therefore, they hang down to your knees when attached to ones harness and this is hard to climb with.... another reason to just use a runner! All and all, they are fairly similar to the C4s, but have a few nice improvements!
Contender to the throne?
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
The Dragon's give the BD C4's a run for their money. I like the extendable dyneema sling, although it's not that long - you'll still need to put a draw or a runner on it. The lack of a thumb loop isn't really too much of an issue, but I have noticed it a few times, especially on the smaller sized cams. BD has moved manufacturing to China, whereas DMM still makes their stuff in Bethesda, Wales, if that concerns you at all.
One question regarding the KN holding...
One question regarding the KN holding strength of Dragons vs. C4's. It is my understanding that while nylon runners might not be rated to hold as much weight as dyneema, the fact that nylon stretches means that it actually absorbs some of the shock load of a fall which means that cams that us nylon slings actually have less of the force of a shock loading fall transferred onto them, allowing them to hold bigger and nastier falls. Do any of you guys think that this makes a difference when comparing Dragons vs. C4's? I ask because I own c4's and am about to go out and buy two dragons to double up my c4 rack. Thank you.
I don't think you will see any real world difference. My thinking is that sewn dyneema and nylon slings have breaking strengths of around 22kN while the largest Dragons are only rated to 14kN so there would be a cam failure long before there was a sling failure.
Arthur, you appear to be missing the point of the question. Johan is not asking about the slings breaking, it's about whether the nylon can relieve the cams of some force.
If you setup a test scenario in which the cam's sling is clipped to a steal cable which is hooked up to a steal weight, the BD cam will see slightly less force due to the nylon stretching and absorbing more force.
However, in the real world, the harness, human body and rope (that's what dynamic rope is for!) will all absorb a lot more force than the nylon sling. Therefore in the real world, it won't make much of a difference and you should make the choice of DMM vs BD cams on other aspects.
This is one of those theoretical questions that has absolutely no bearing on the performance of the product in the real world. Think less about stuff like this and climb more.
It's actually a good question, because nylon is certain less prone to fail when compared to dyneema if you take a direct fall on it (aka if your harness is directly attached to an anchor by it). But in this case, you have a dynamic rope between the two, so it doesn't matter!
Awesome alternative to C4s
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I've been slowly purchasing Dragon Cams to serve as doubles to my full set of C4s. After a few months of use, I honestly like them a bit more than the BDs.
Maybe I'm being too conservative, but I rarely clip the rope directly to the C4s. Even if rope drag isn't an issue, I feel like the large nylon sling on the C4s transmits too much of the rope movement to the cam, thus increasing the possibility of the cam walking out. Thus I almost always extend a C4 placement with at least an alpine draw.
Even with the sling not extended, I feel like the smaller and lighter dyneema slings on the Dragons transmit far less rope movement to the cam stems. With the sling fully extended, the isolation seems pretty much complete. Thus, if rope drag allows, I'm often willing to clip the Dragons directly in situations where I would extend the C4s. This is a huge savings in terms of gear and time.
FWIW, the stems are indeed a bit shorter on the Dragons. I have yet to run into problems with that, though. The lack of a thumb loop has yet to bother me, too.
Personally, I love having both. If I have a choice, I use the BDs in situations where I want to extend anyway and save the Dragons for those times when I can clip directly.
Great set cams!
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
These are the first set I personally own. They work great, and they hold their placement. The slings also worked cause they give you the option to extend it.
DMM Dragon Cams - Anodized
This is my first set of personal cams. The quality seems top notch and they're easy to rack and use. The extendable sling takes a bit of practice but it's not too hard really. I also really like spending the money on a company that values quality manufacturing.
Comparable to C4 Camalots
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I picked up the #1-#4 dragons back in July, mainly so I could be different than everyone climbing on Camalots. But almost six months later, I am extremely pleased with the gear for reasons other than satisfying my self-righteous hipster-ness. These cams are very lightweight, very durable, and the features are really practical. The extendable sling in a fantastic idea, and it totally has come in handy on some wandering lines. The pommel grip is cool, although I do prefer the loop on the Camalots. The only issue that I have with the dragons is some of the units I purchased have sticky action. It's not terrible, but the Camalots seem to have a more consistently smooth action. One thing that I think makes the dragons stand out above the rest is the attention to detail from DMM. Each cam goes under more scrutiny than any BD cams, and that gives me peace of mind.
Overall, I love these cams, and i will continue to build my rack with DMM gear.
#5 Blue is a keeper
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I really cant comment on the other sizes, however the DMM #5 blue ie equivalent to the BD #3 blue c4 camalot, is sweet. I really enjoy placing this cam and will reach for it with gusto. I am not sure why, but it just feels good to place and feels very secure. Perhaps its the Klingon looking design of the lobes. I dunno. I like the option of having the extendable sling if needed. I have so many cams, uhh, so much unlawful carnal knowledge with the gear. I need therapy. I have never fallen on this cam
Great alternative to BD Camalots
I love the extendable sling and will be purchasing about 1/2 of these and 1/2 of the camalots in the future. for those that say re-rackign is a hassle, I can tell you that they simply have not climbed with these. The slings are short enough to re-rack without shortening.
The new addition to the climbing Rack...Stoked on the Dragons!
Just stoked on the cams...The extendable sling is pretty dope!
How long are the slings on these when...
How long are the slings on these when extended?
9 inches extended.
I wouldn't recommend starting your rack with these, but if you are looking for seconds or thirds of a size you may find use for these.
Are the gold and blue (size 4 and 5) dmm...
Are the gold and blue (size 4 and 5) dmm dragons assured to be free of the issues that forced the recall back in February 2011? From the pic it looks like the blue one has a turned axle boss, which was the reason for the recall. Site link to recall info: http://dmmclimbing.com/news/2011/02/important-safety-notice-dragon-size-4-and-5-recall/
Thanks for any insight you may have. - Garrick
Good catch Garrick! The images are definitely of the turned axle bosses, but my guess is that Backcountry just never updated the image. Climbing companies take this stuff very seriously (as they should) and I highly, highly doubt that Backcountry would sell recalled cams. Again though, you never can be too safe!
Also, Ryan Grimm (see the picture below) has a set, and from the picture you can tell that the cams have the hot forged axle boss, so assuming he bought them from Backcountry..
these dragons have the hot forged axle boss. maybe i was overly hesitant on getting these, of course no company like backcountry.com would sell recalled climbing gear. Thanks for the reassurance Thomas!
When I saw DMM's announcement about these cams I was extremely excited to try them out. I've been satisfied with every piece of DMM equipment that I've used in the past and really wanted to see how much DMM could challenge Black Diamond. There is no doubt that the C4's are fantastic cams and I'm always happy to rack up with them. However, after almost a year of climbing with the Dragon cams, I'm a touch happier racking up with them.
So many things are similar between the two cams but two things really stand out in my mind:
1) Honestly, it feels good to support DMM and their commitment to their local workers. I'm not going to say much else about this as it has more to do with my morals than anything else. But if you value such things, it's a selling point.
2) The entendible slings. At first I wasn't really sure how much I'd use this feature, but when it's so convenient I realize how often I want more extension than you get with the C4's but less than you get with an alpine draw.
Are either of these reasons to replace a set of C4's with Dragon's? No. But, if you're looking to get your first or subsequent set of cams they are worthy of strong consideration.
Wilma, I'm going bowling!
I've been meaning to add some cams to my rack for quite a while, having been content to borrow Wild Country Friends, DMM 4CU and BD Camalot C4 cams.Now that I've come to purchase my own, I've opted for A1 quality. El Dragons are twin axle like the C4s, are of a newer design, cheaper and have an extendable sling, which is 9un)surprisingly handy.Plus, compared to the single axle ones, the heads don't rotate disconcertingly about the axle, and have a larger camming range apparently - but I don't care about that... I just want them to fit into cracks.I've used my No5 Dragon Cam quite a lot, it's saved me on a fall, held me securely while freaking out en route, and have even used it 3 times on a single pitch.I love them more than words can say!