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If only you were the Cochise.
If you're a ski and you have a mid-fat waist you get to roam all over the mountain. If you're a mid-fat ski with a rockered tip and tail and huge sidecut radius, you set the mountain ablaze at high speeds, bust through crud, and plane-out over pow, and they call you the Blizzard Cochise Ski. A versatile waist keeps you quick edge-to-edge, and your innovative Flipcore Natural rocker gives you easy turn-entry and float. You're actually made upside-down in the mold so the downward-facing convex side forms the natural rocker, without having to bend or artificially shape the ski in a press. This also gives you excellent stability and even pressure distribution. You have sandwich sidewall construction and a wood core to put power and precision into your turns, and two sheets of Titanal keep the vibrations away at scorching speeds. You're one multi-talented, kickass ski.
Situated squarely between the Brahma and Dakota, the Cochise is your do-it-all backside ski.
- Flipcore Natural rockered profile
- Flat underfoot
- Sidewall construction
- Wood core
- Two sheets of Titanal reinforcement
- 108-millimeter waist
- Huge sidecut radius
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I am 6'1" 220lb looking to move into this...
I am 6'1" 220lb looking to move into this ski. I was looking at the 185. I currently ride a 179 volkl bridge. Is the 185 going to a be a jump in terms of turning effort? I ski as much terrain as possible, trees, bumps and in bounds hike to steep terrain. East Coast Skier with yearly trips out west.
I would definitely recommend you go with the 185! With the early rise in tip/tail, you'll still have a lot of effective edge underfoot to hold turns without slipping out. The little extra length will be a tiny adjustment, but overall the 185 will be more stable and a super fun choice for out east and the trips out west too!
I am 6'1" at 190lbs. East coast skier BUT have skied all over the rockies and lived there. Last season I demoed the cochise. I own the brahma AND the bones in 187s. The cochise is KILLER for big mountain, powder, crud and speed. Carves very smooth on westcoast groomers but I wouldn't call it a railing machine, the sidecut is too wide to say it RAILS groomers.
That being said I will be adding this to my quiver for deep days that turn to junk. I demoed a 185 and it was playful enough but needs. rider input to pop out of turns. GREAT ski.
My guess is even at your size the 193 will be a lot of effort. I consider myself pretty aggressive and would opt the 185. It was plenty and MORE than I need.
Crushing Spring At Alta On My Cochise
Alta, Utah. PC: Joe Johnson
I'm debating whether to go for...
I'm debating whether to go for the 177's or the 185s in this ski. I'm just under 5'11, 168lbs. Not a lot of experience in powder or trees with deep snow having grown up on east coast skiing. These won't be my one-quiver ski, I'd be using them primarily on good snow conditions - but I would probably spend more time in the trees or steeper shuts where speed control's the focus versus open bowls.
What are your thoughts? Thank you!
177cm is my recommendation. The 185cm will be a lot of ski for you if you're not ready for it. Cochise is a strong and powerful ski so stay with proper size so it remains it lighter and agile in tight spots.
If you said you are very aggressive, charge hard, and expert level, and want a big open bowl ski then the 185cm would be an option.
Hello, I consider myself to be an intermediate...
Hello, I consider myself to be an intermediate skier and have only skied groomers. I am planning my first back country ski trip to Utah and am going to purchase a complete AT outfit. I have only skied on 75 mm waist at 178 cm length. After reading all the fantastic reviews on the Cochise, I am seriously considering this ski. I plan to ski about 50/50 on it. Do you feel this would be a good AT ski? I am 6' 1" and 160 lbs. At my level, do you feel 177 or 185 would be the better length? Thanks for your help! Steve
I would recommend the 177 for in this ski. The waist is much large than the 75mm ski you are on, which will result in a larger surface area. Also when touring having a shorter ski is really nice-less weight, easier kick turns when skinning, and easier to maneuver in tight trees, couloirs, in between rocks etc...
I'll be sending you an email with my contact info and some recommendations for your trip out to Utah!
177cm is my vote.
Cochise top of Jay Peak
These are 185 cm mounted tele, with NTN Freedoms
Amazing One Quiver Ski
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
Let me start out by saying I love to snowboard, am 6'5" and 190lbs. I am not a super aggressive boarder but prefer big powder days and being able to turn quickly and under control. I have been snowboarding for over a decade now and still enjoy it immensely. That being said I have tired of chasing me skier friends around on days when it is not deep powder. On hardpack days, icy days or groomer days I was looking for an easier way to go so I tried out skiing again after 10+ years on my board. Ski technology has come along ways and has made skies considerably more fun to ride than when I originally switched to boarding. So I tried a few skies and fell in love with the Blizzard Bonafides but wanted something a little wider underfoot that would allow me to use them in the backcountry as well. That left me with the Cochise. I demoed them and they just blew me away. I am able to ski powder without issue, they carve on hardpack and turn fast enough that I feel comfortable in the glades. If you can only go with one ski I would recommend you take a look at the Cochise.
Great hard charging all mountain ski
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
The Cochise was the first ski I've tried from Blizzard and I was instantly hooked. It was a bit softer than my previous ski but yet still stiff enough to handle high speeds, crud, powder anything I could throw at it. It's playful yet stable. I highly recommend them!
I've heard this got stiffer compared to...
I've heard this got stiffer compared to the 12/13 version. I haven't had any time on the 13/14 but quite a bit on last year's version. Is it noticeably stiffer compared to previous versions, or just about the same?
From the people I've talked too and all the researching I've done they are both the same except for a graphics update. I will keep digging around to find something else to prove me wrong.
I've heard different things from different people. Looks like officially the ski is unchanged since 11/12, 12/13 and 13/14. But some people say it go stiffer, not exactly sure what Blizzard say about that.
I'm looking for a wider ski to use on my...
I'm looking for a wider ski to use on my trips to Utah (Park City and Alta). I ski in the East about 40 days each season, and about another 10 days in Utah. I use a 172 Nordica FireArrow 80 Pro on "firm" snow, and a 180 Blizzard Brahma when it's softer. The Brahma was a bit too narrow for the snow at Alta. I'd like the ski to handle moguls, trees, and cut-up snow, either at Alta or the signature runs at Park City. I looked at the Blizzard Cochise, but I think the 28.5 meter turning radius is a bit much for what I'd like the ski to do. Other skis I've been thinking about are the Rossi Soul 7, the Line Sick Day 95 or 110, and the Atomic Automatic 109 or 102. Any suggestions?
Hey there whoever,
Sounds like you are a Blizzard fan so why not just upgrade one notch from the Brahma to the Bonafide? Hard to go from a Brahma, then looking at Cochise to then consider a Sick Day or Soul 7 in my opinion. Very different skis for very different riders!
What about Armada Tst? Stronger than a Soul 7, sits in between the Sick day 95 and 110 but isn't quite as playful and forgiving in the tail as either of the other three. For a wider one ski quiver it's one to look at for sure. Great float because of the tip, great crud performance due to the stiffer mid section and flatter tail, and I thought it was a blast on groomed snow. Tip had some flap but nothing annoying. Just remember it's a twin tip tail, no rocker in it.
The Automatics wouldn't be my choice if I flew out to Utah and it was a week of firm pack. But if it was a week of Utah snow then the Atomics would be great.
I'm not the guy for Soul or Super 7 advice but if you are a hard charger and like Fire arrow, Brahma, I have a feeling the Soul might not be enough ski for you depending on the conditions.
I enjoyed the sick day 95 quite a bit but not sure if that's worth it over your brahma, you would need to jump to the 110cm to make it worth your while.
Another ski that I have had a blast on towards the end of the season is my sons 184cm Bacon. I can't say enough about this ski. FUN FUN FUN. I have a review on backcountry for it. If you are the right size for it and depending where you mount the binding it could be a great wider one ski quiver ski for out west. I can't stress enough getting the right length for this ski or you won't have enough tip in front for the deep days.
Knowing your height, weight, and ability level will help too.
Just some options to have you consider so let us know what you think.
Thanks for the input on the skis. I'm 6'1", and about 170. Having skied most of my life in Eastern conditions ("firm" snow), I'm a less confident skier in the powder than on groomers, where I'll ski relatively steep slopes like Double Jack and Blue Slip at Park City. My hope is, with more time and the right skis, I'd be able to go through the trees at Eagle's Nest at Alta and the steeper bumps and cut-up powder. I had thought about the Bonafide, but my daughter and son-in-law (both of whom have four pair of skis) say it's not different enough from my Brahmas, and I'd probably be better off with a one-oh-something to ski in a variety of conditions out West.
While my terminal velocity may be pretty fast, it is not as high as theirs. If I'm comparing myself to them, I wouldn't call myself a hard charger, as I'm not in warp speed mode as often as they are.
I'm thinking that I'd like something with maybe a high teens-low 20s turning radius, where I could either slide it through the bumps and tight spots, or lay it over on edge to cruise through open areas.
I'm not tied to any one particular brand, although I do like the Brahmas a lot for what I've been skiing in the East.
If you aren't a hard charger and are willing to give up some high speed and firm groomed snow performance then the Soul 7 could work well for you. You are my size minus a few pounds and if you want playful, surfy, tight turning radius, light then this is what Soul 7 is for.
Sick Day 110 would be a great option as well. It will provide great float and in my opinion be better at holding an edge on firm snow than the Soul. This is based on its progressive flex pattern that is soft in the shovel but gets stiffer throughout the ski. I found the SD95 to hold an impressive edge throughout the entire turn so SD110 should be the same. If you are a switch rider then Soul is better because of the more pronounced rockered tail. I'm a fan of LINE skis because they do everything very well and have a really good feel on the snow.
TST will have incredible float due to its elf shoe Armada tip and gets much stiffer throughout the ski. Out of the three skis the TST is the least forgiving but only by a small amount. It doesn't have a rockered tail so the TST will be by far the best crud ski out of the three, more powerful indeed. The tight turn radius keeps it very fun though.
Line Sir Francis Bacon will be the more turny, playful, buttery, surfy, switch oriented version of the SD110.
You could look at Rossi Sin 7, JJ, Prophet 98, Salomon Rocker 2 108, and the list goes on.... But stick with 2 or 3 and then whittle away based on looks, appropriate lengths, and whichever rocker profile suits you intended purpose the best.
Good luck and I will keep checking back with you,
I ski the East too, at Jay Peak. When it looked like our season was going to be hard-pack groomers (again!) I ordered the Cochise in a 185 length..
Wow what a ski! Even though they are a 108 waist, they carve smoother arcs, and hold the ice better than my Mantras. But the tail on the Cochise release more easily than the Mantra with the bit of tail rocker, and twin tips. Easier in the bumps.
While I never got them in deep snow, they carve really well on soft snow too. Super damp, great edge hold. With the 108 waist I think they would be fine in Western Powder too.
Mine are mounted tele, with NTN Freedoms
I'm an advanced intermediate skiing powder...
I'm an advanced intermediate skiing powder and trees now in Tahoe. 6'2", 193lbs. 50 years old but very athletic. Looking for a wide ski to ski Sierra crud and powder. Is the Cochise too much ski for me? Any other recs?
At your size I think you will do very well with the Cochise, especially in Tahoe. Even though you are 50 if you are in good shape you can handle it. I'm 42 and find the Cochise too heavy and damp for my liking but my style is a little more light and playful. I ski a lot of bumps and prefer a tighter turn radius for my skis.
If you keep your skis on the ground, want to just bust through and plow over the crud, and want smooth damp and powerful then Cochise is a winner.
Can I ask what you are currently skiing on and what length? This will help other readers offer advice as well. Then I will shoot back some other choices if you want.
Currently skiing K2 Apaches, 178 length. The 78 mm width causes me to sink in deeper snow.
Well at least anything you pick will provide a much better powder experience than the narrow Apache. You could go 98mm Bonafide to stay slightly lighter, livelier and better groomed performance over the Cochise as an option. It will blow the doors off the Apache in the deeper snow and crud, it just won't have quite as much float as the Cochise.
Another ski with a different twist is the Armada TST, great float in the tip due to its unique profile but remains solid underfoot and in the tail for the crud.
Line Sick Day 110 for a lighter, more agile, but retains great float. It just won't charge as hard in the Tahoe crud as a Bonafide or Cochise. It will just be more playful and more forgiving.
Atomic Ritual has been a favorite in the Jackson Hole area but I don't think Jackson gets the heavier crud like Tahoe does.
That's just a few other opinions to consider but it all gets overwhelming. My advice is to keep it simple and narrow it down to a couple. Like I said anything you pick will be so much better on the deep and crud than your Apaches. Just remember a Cochise will be an entirely different animal than the K2 but your size should be able to tame it.
Keep me posted.
I'm the same dimensions as you, and have been very happy indeed riding the Cochise in 185 this past season in the Alps. I sized up from a Dynastar Legend 94, and as I pretty much all my time off-piste, it has been a very satisfying change. No question that you should have the Cochise on your list of skis to try!
But, I think, try them you should. Probably for a day or two if possible. The excellent reviews at Blister (http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-2012-blizzard-cochise) do a great job of summing up the ski, and I can't add much more except to say that to truly enjoy and appreciate them you might need to open your mind a bit. I know I did. I think they are an absolute blast railing on groomers, but if you can/want to expand to a more surfy style, you will come to appreciate just how brilliant, forgiving and adaptable the Cochise are. If you think a good turn is a carved turn, you will be fighting against the Cochise, and should find another option.
For me, after 36 years of skiing, I am finding it incredibly rejuvenating to embrace a new way of skiing!
The only two problems I have with the Cochise are that 1) they are not light, and it is hard going if you try to link jump turns down a steep couloir (my old school brain still revolts at slarving when it feels a lot like side-slipping, but this is for me to learn and get over), and 2) they are SO confidence inspiring that they make you want to do things like this:
And I'm not 20 anymore...
Within the cloak of darkness,
This is when the magic happens.
The full moon shines bright, the lines are tight,
The flash is bright and the skis are right.
Skier: Technica/Blizzard athlete Marcus Caston and a flawless hop turn.
Awesome Ski, Believe the Hype
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I'm not a big believer in the whole "one ski quiver" idea, but this may be as close as it gets. There are more specific skis out there for sure, but with this ski you can have a blast in any given condition. I have skied it in knee deep powder and chop, in both soft and hard crud, moguls, groomers, steeps, you name it this ski eats it for breakfast. It's the perfect ski for Jackson Hole, that's for sure. The cochise will make you more a better, more confident skier all around, even if you're already an expert. The only flaw I could find with this ski, Is that it doesn't excel in super deep snow, however it'll certainly get the job done. Other than float in deep powder over two feet, this ski kills it!
Size wise, I'm 6'3 185lbs, and I ski the 185. I could have definitely gotten away with the 193, but I ski a ton of bumps and trees, so the 185 made more sense. If this was going to be my only powder ski I'd absolutely and positively size up. Otherwise, it does not feel "too" short, even at my size.
Comparisons of similar skis Ive owned, to the Cochise :
Volkl Katana: Similar to the Cochise, but not as intuitive and forgiving. Better option for racing backgrounds, or more aggressive (pro level)freeskiers.
Moment Belafonte: More pop, but not as forgiving/intuitive. Better Edge grip and slightly more confidence on ice, but trades for worse powder performance. Better ski for traditional preferences.
On3p Vicik: Tip has more pop, more play, just as intuitive but not as forgiving. Exactly like the belafonte if it had tip taper, but made of bamboo, therefor more playful and snappy. Better choice for those with traditional preferences, yet still want something fun.
Personally for my mid-fats, I use the 185 Cochise for In bounds, and 184 Katana with for sidecountry.
trying to decide between the 177 and 185...
trying to decide between the 177 and 185 as a daily driver east coast resort ski/one ski quiver....I have skied on 181 4frnt MSPs for the last 7 seasons and was looking for something with a bit of tip rocker. im 5 9 190 fit.
At your weight I would go 185. If that seems a little long you can mount them a little farther forward (+ 1.5-2) in order to make them feel a little shorter.
I am 6'2" , 195 lbs skiing the 185 Cochise back East. Have only had groomers to ski for now, but it carves like a dream on hard snow. I am skiing them NTN tele, Prophet boots mounted boot center on the mark. Freedom binders. Now I want to get them in some powder; with a 108 waist they should float, too. Great ski!
I recently demo'd the 177 Cochise at Big...
I recently demo'd the 177 Cochise at Big Sky in 12 inches of fresh Pow and loved these skis. As I was telling a friend my desire to purchase these, He suggested I look at the Rossi Soul 7. Any ideas on comparison between the two? I am currently on Vokl Mantras (which are also awesome). Thanks.
They are completely different skis. Soul 7 has a very short radius and is relatively soft compared to the Cochise. The Soul 7 will feel more maneuverable at very slow speeds due to all the sidecut and camber but as soon as you get up to any speed the Cochise will be much more fun busting through crud and just feeling more stable. Plus if you 're coming from a Mantra you're accustomed to the feel if metal. Cochise has metal , Soul 7 has none.
Those are two VERY different skis. If you liked the cochise and the mantra (stiff skis w/ metal) that like to go fast and straight, you will likely not the like Soul 7 (soft and turny).
I just purchased the Soul 7 in a 188 after skiing on the 176(?) K2 Obsethed for a few years (5'9" 150lb/woman). After one full day of skiing on the Souls I have mixed feelings and am looking at getting the Cochise or another stiff all-mountain ski.
The Soul 7 is awesome on smooth snow, whether powder, wind buff, or groomed. But what I found is that in the crud and chopped up conditions you have to turn deliberately and turn around the crud, especially at high speeds. Rather than being able to charge through it. When I hit chopped-up snow on the Souls, I had a hard time keeping the skis in control. They would float and flop around.
I don't hate the Soul7, but just like was already said, they are very different from the Cochise or another stiff all-mountain ski. I also felt like the recommended binding position was too far forward on the Souls.
I will probably end up using the Souls as a touring ski and get Cochise (or similar) instead.
An Appointment in the WhiteRoom
Skier Marcus Caston arrives promptly to his appointment in the WhiteRoom at Solitude Ski Resort.
I'm looking to upgrade my skis and am...
I'm looking to upgrade my skis and am looking for some suggestions to demo prior to purchase. I'm 6', 205 and consider myself advanced. I ski in the East, primarily on piste. Currently on an older Dynastar Intuitive 74. Looking for the "one ski" that will handle chop, crud, etc.. and help me improve. Have heard great things about Blizzard skis.
How goes? Have you seen this excellent review?
It may help out with your choice. Blizzard makes awesome skis!
For east coast crud busting and overall mountain domination I'd reccomend the Bonafide over the Cochise. Coming off a 74mm Dynastar jumping to a 108 wasted Cochise would be a bit of a jump. Bonafides will still bust through crud but they'll give you better performance on groomers and tighter east coast trails.
What length am I looking for and does this...
What length am I looking for and does this ski hit home for a particular trip this season? ... Headed to Valhalla BC in a month and was hoping to try out a bunch of skis before the ski purchase/trip ... not ideal this season for the Tahoe kids. I have the Dynafit Radical FT's ready and waiting ... I was looking for fatter skis originally but this season may warrant a more versatile ski? For the 140lb/5'9" guy what length would you recommend? Was also looking at the Armada JJ, K2 Shreditor and, Rossi's, DPS ... thoughts?
What size skis are you coming off of? At your size and weight I would lean towards a 177 in the Cochise
what kind of bindings should i get for...
what kind of bindings should i get for this skis. I am thinking to buy it with Tyrolia Adrenelin 16 (touring . Thas this work with this ski to do some small touring. Or must i put something like the Rossi FKS 140 or Marker Jester on it. Olso because of the lengt I will buy 185cm I am 184cm long and want to drive it all around the mountain.
Any good binding will work. Adrenelins would be great for small tours. Just make sure you get brakes wide enough.. Cochise is 108mm under foot so a 110mm brake would be perfect.
Crushing Resort Ski
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I've had the chance to ride these at ski tests over the past couple of season and am psyched to finally have a pair to call my own. I'm 5'10" and went with them in a 185 cm length. I probably could get away with the 193s but decided I'd rather have a short, quicker ski for the resort skiing I'm going to use them for.
I used them to replace my Volkl Katanas, which were beat up after three hard, 100 day seasons on them at Jackson. They're comparable skis, sharing similar shapes, construction, rocker, sidecut, length, and mounting points. The biggest difference is probably that the Katana is 112 mm underfoot while the Cochise is 108. I have plenty of skis in the 115 mm range and am happy to have dropped down for the extra inbounds versatility, not that the difference is even that noticeable.
What stands out to me most about my Cochise is that between the two sheets of Titanal and the Flipcore construction, they're a very smooth ski. They're a ton of fun to rip groomers and also charge in trees, bumps, corn, and powder for me at the 185 cm length. I'm very happy with my choice and would highly recommend them if this is the type of ski you're looking for.
Favorite Ski I Have Ever Skied
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I'm not sure a review will do this ski any justice. The Cochise does it all. I'm on my third season with the Cochise and it just keeps getting better. You don't hear about Blizzard as much as other brands (Rossi, Volkl, Armada, etc.), but don't let that scare you away from this ski. I've been skiing Blizzard for over 12 seasons now and have yet to be disappointed.
I'm 5'11", 170 lbs and ski the 185. I spend my time at Utah resorts. As mentioned above, the versatility of this ski is amazing. It's unbelievably stable at speed on hard pack (think 70+ mph on a groomer), is playful and responsive in tight space, floats plenty in powder, and excels in crud and variable snow. I've recommended the Cochise to a handful of friends and all now have the same affinity for the ski.
If you're looking at buying this ski, you're probably doing some homework and comparing different options. While I don't have a ton of data points for you, this one might be helpful. I skied a few runs on the new Rossignol Soul 7 recently, another very popular ski this year, and came away thinking the following: the Soul 7 is definitely a lighter ski and just a bit more responsive/playful than the Cochise. Was a really fun ski to ski. That said, it wasn't as stable as the Cochise and doesn't power through crud and variable conditions the way the Cochise does. Granted, my experience was only a run or two so take the opinion with a grain of salt, but might be helpful nonetheless.
Bottom line: I've been skiing for a long time and this is my favorite ski I've ever skied on. If you're looking for a one-trick pow pony, this isn't your ski. Likewise if you're looking for a true carving ski. However, if you want something that does it all, and does it all very well, this is the ski.