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The Verdict is this ski kicks ass on any terrain.

The jury is in, and the Black Diamond Verdict Ski is still the ultimate quiver-of-one ripper for everything from steep, icy chutes to epic tours through backcountry fluff. Updated with BD’s latest technology, this mid-fat plank gives the powerful skier a race-inspired tool to crush every inch of the mountain.
  • Internal Wall Core Technology uses birch for extra snap and a lively, responsive feel
  • Formula One geometry features three internal ribs for hard-snow and turning performance
  • All-poplar core balances a smooth ride with active energy return

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4 5

FUN

A great ski to have in the quiver for both resort and the BC. Wide enough for great floatation and decent radius to rip the groomers at speed all while feeling light under foot.

FUN
2 5

Would not recommend.

I have the older version, blue in color. 190 cm. I have skied about 40 - 50 days on these skis. Mounted free rides and a regular binding. I am 511 185 lbs. ski 50 70 days per year. I bought these as a quiver ski. and that's what they turned out to be. they were great at the hill on open bowl and open tree runs. but when it got tight they did not like to turn. Amazing in deep light pow but if its heavy watch out these sink like the titanic. I would not buy this ski again. I bought and skied on the Rossi s7 188cm last year and in my opinion one of the best all around skis for back/slack country, sled skiing .They would not be my main resort ski. This year riding the new super s7
Check the link on how the verdicts ski in dry pow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoyA9L9t3A

Unanswered Question

Does this year of verdict have the early...

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Does this year of verdict have the early rise tip like the 2011 verdict?

Hi there,

Thinking about getting these...

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Hi there,

Thinking about getting these skis, however, I'm not sure what size to get. 170cm or 180cm? I'm 5'10'' 150lb. Originally, I wanted 175s, but that's not an option for these skis. I tested the Rossi S3s last winter in 168cms and loved them, although they were definitely a little short. My friends are telling me to get the 180s to help me progress as a skier. Also, not sure what bindings Im going to use. Your thoughts?

Thanks,
Bryan

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Depends a lot on terrain choice, turn preference and how aggro you are. If you like the trees, bumps and slalom turns I'd stay with the 170s. If you prefer to arc it out at mach 7, get the 180s. Bindings: AT or Alpine? If AT I'm a believer in the light weight and bomber turning of the Dynafits. Enjoy!

Getting a Backcountry set up. Experienced...

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Getting a Backcountry set up. Experienced aggressive skier 6'5" 220lbs. Currently ski a Mantra 184 with Dukes and love my skis. I think the Verdicts 2011 would be a good BC ski since it seems like a stiff ski. Question is 180 or 190cm? I like maneuverability in a ski. Lastly, I plan on skiing a Garmont Axon Boot and Dynafit bindings

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I think at your size plus the early rise tip in these skis, you should go for the 190 cms 100%.

5 5

Great ski

These skis are great. From the light fluffy stuff to the icy crud of July, these have been my go to skis. They float well enough in the deep, cruise in the soft, and can power through whatever else might be in your line.
I skied these mostly on steeps, and do prefer them in areas where I have ample space to turn (they like to move), but I haven't had any issues with them where tight fast turns are necessary (trees, couloirs, whatever). I'm an aggressive skier, but at 6'1" and 145 lbs, I'm not the most burly guy out there (understatement), so don't feel like you have to be a hulk of a person to turn these boards in tight situations.
These skis are killer though and I am looking forward to another season on them.

4 5

Soft snow speed deamons

These skis are happiest at speed in the soft. Using terrain features to give you a little air for turn initiation is where these excel. Nothing under foot has given me more thrills than these in these conditions. You better be on top of them though. Skiing them in a less than strong manner will get you spanked. Take them on packed snow in the bumps and they want to take control. Not in a good way.

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I skied these for two solid seasons at Crested Butte as a full time mountain worker. Over 200 days on them, skied all terrain great. Awesome ski in the fluff and the ice. Never did they out ski me. They died when the met a tree head on. I wore out my boots before the ski. This ski is a serious ski, not for those needing a wet noodle because they cannot flex them.

so i am new to skiing, and decided to give...

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so i am new to skiing, and decided to give tele skiing a try. i ended up getting the verdicts and at times felt ok on them, but a lot of times felt like i was getting my butt kicked. what's a better beginner tele ski for somebody of intermediate abilities? thanks.

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Depends a bit on where you ski. If out west in powder-land, a ski of a similar width, but a bit softer might work well, Atomic Charter & G3 Zen or Tonic are good options. If not always in the deep, I'd definitely look a little narrower (easier to get on edge). G3 Saint, Atomic Aspect, etc. Look for some tip rocker, but not too much. Hope this helps.

4 5

Eat your Wheaties ...

These skis are stellar! The only reason I didn't give them 5 stars is because they're a little crude. You really have to ski them hard all the time ... otherwise ... they do nothing and are downright boring an unpleasant. But if you're willing to put in the effort they'll allow you to pull off lines you wouldn't think possible.

I'm 6' and weigh about 150 lbs ... very light ... heavier skiers might tell a different story.
I went with the 180's w/ a set of Marker Barons.

I'm a strong, experienced skier. I don't huck 50ft cliffs but can ski pretty much anything in or out of bounds, aggressively at higher speeds.

If you're looking for a ski that will take it easy on you and make life easier ... look elsewhere. If you're looking for a ski that will help you rip up anything at very high speed ... these are great.

The verdicts can handle anything you throw at them at just about any speed. They prefer high speeds and strong direction. I de-tuned the tips and tails a bit because I wanted to be able turn at speeds below 50 mph on hard pack.

From hard pack to powder performance is great; they're a little stiff for deep powder but they're versatility is quite impressive in my opinion.

Baby powder your privates and hang on for a rippin ride. When you open these up you'll be amazed.

Jump Turns!

Jump Turns!

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Skiing off Milestone Pass's steep east face, I was happy to have the 180s for a rare pitch of perfect powder in a late April Sierra traverse. What an amazing descent!

5 5

Update: 180s = Nimbler, Still Awesome

I LOVE THESE SKIS. I had the 190s for a few years and basically skied the bases into oblivion - loads of dirty ski tours in CA, but also deep powder excursions in BC and big mountain tours in CH, they did everything. Well, they pointed everything and stayed straight. They are so much fun anywhere you can open them up.

So when it was one core-shot too many, I looked for a new pair. I got a deal on a pair of 180s, the new orange ones (same ski, different topsheet). They ski just as steady, but they are actually a bit more nimble in the tight spots! Even more perfect! Of course, I'll miss sitting back and cruising on the 190s in a huge bowl, but these will do just fine. Get a pair now! At 5'11, I am probably better off with a 180 anyways... or so they say.

Update: 180s = Nimbler, Still Awesome

First, I'm not a great skier (6' 5'' / 220...

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First, I'm not a great skier (6' 5'' / 220 lbs and strong legs). I just started to also ski besides snowboarding. Manly i 'd like to use skis for snowkiting in all sorts of snow conditions. However ski touring, powder, as well as ski slopes should still be possible. Now i'm not sure if i'd rather opt for the kilowatt or the verdict. From what i read i tend to go for the kilowatt, but taking into acount my size, weight and physical strength (combined with skills that are to develop) im not sure if i better choose the verdict, also for its greater width. What would you suggest, does one of the two BD's match my profile or would you go for a different model?

Kind regards, florian

p.s.: Most likely i'm going to use diamir freeride pro bindings.

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I'd go for the Verdict or even the Justice. When snowkiting, you want as straight of a ski as possible. When looking at skis, those with a larger sidecut are more straight. I feel like the Verdict would be a good enough ski to learn on and provide you with the other requirements you have - sorta a quiver of one. That being said, the straighter the ski, the harder they are to turn, so keep that in mind; could end up with a steep learning curve.

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Haven't skied the Kilowatts but the Verdicts are going to be a very versatile ski for you. I think your weight and height will help control these skis nicely, but the Verdicts are not really a beginner ski ... not at all. You have to ski them hard and good carving skills are essential in order to have a good time on these.

I would be sure to either de-tune your Verdicts (or have someone do it for you ... which takes about 30 seconds and should be free even a pro shop). The tips and tails are very grabby at low speeds.

I would also recommend against the Diamir Freerides. These are heavy skis, you're heavy, and it sounds like you're going to beat them up. Freerides don't offer the best control and have some delicate parts in my opinion. I'd get some Marker Barons (or similar) unless you absolutely need to have the ability to unlock your heals without taking off the ski. The Barons will offer a lot more control and are simliar in weight to the Freerides.

1 5

Lets not jump to conclusions

First of all i bought this ski for full price which was a big mistake in itself. I got home and that following weekend i hit the slopes with my girlfriend and right off the bat they had problems they don't handle ice at all and manuverablity forget it.. I was afraid to hit any bumps cuz i just kept feeling like they were going to break right under me. Ill never use this brand ski again... Do yourselves a favor and save your money

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Learn how to ski first then review

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I second the learn how to ski comment above

I learned to ski on the Verdicts coming over from snowboarding and feel the total opposite about it's performance on ice. I'm still only a intermediate tele skier so I can't tell you how great the Verdicts ski compared to others but these skis turn and stop just fine on ice. Maybe you need to get yours waxed and the edges sharpened.

If I can learn to teleski on the ever changing snowpack around Whistler Blackcomb you should be able to stop on ice.

Write your question here...Attention...

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Write your question here...Attention tele-folk. I'm trying to decide between the BD Verdict in a 180 cm or the BD Kilowatt in a 185. I'm an in-bounds powder snob who is most often found skiing trees. I ski the Garmont NRG (sz 10), am 6', weight 180 lbs., and am advanced. I like to turn them loose on occassion, but prefer savoring tight turns in deep ID blower.

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verdicts have no rocker a high camber and a very small shovel so they wont be so great in powder. the kilowatt is rockered and has really good float as well as being very manuverable.If your looking for a deep snow ski get the kilowatt cause the verdicts won't be so great in powder.

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CR, Will Guru is mistaken about a few things (no offense). The Verdict is wider and will perform better in deep snow, although if you're looking to ski deep blower you'd be much more suited on the Justice or the Megawatt both of which have rockered tips. I run the Justices as my daily ski here in Utah and I really dig them. Neither the Kilowatt nor the Verdict has a rockered profile. The Kilowatt is a bit turnier (the Verdict is stiffer), which you might appreciate in the trees, although I have skied the Verdicts on a few deep days and really liked them. Hope that helps.

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oh sorry about that i meant the megawatt. I dont think the verdict works well in powder comparatively to other skis this size. I'd get some coombacks instead just to have a little more float and better carving ability

Unanswered Question

Where are people mounting their bindings...

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Where are people mounting their bindings on the Verdicts? I've got 180cm sticks with Dynafit Titans and TLT bindings. My style favors driving hard over the fronts of the skis. Since I got this set up, I've had them in the backcountry a number of times, and, while I liked them, something about the fore/aft balance point felt weird, so I skied them inbounds today. I felt like, for the length, there was not enough tip and too much tail. I was considering moving the bindings -2cm. Anyone else have to mount these further back?

4 5

Power houses

I have a pair of 190's and love them. That said, these are not a do everything ski. They are powerful and love/need speed. You can lay down great arcs or work hard for quick turns. They are not nimble. These will spank you if you let up going down. Forget moguls.

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Skiing 183's here in VT and occasionally out west - the above are true.

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Hi fellow telemark mates. Looking at getting...

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Hi fellow telemark mates. Looking at getting a one quiver ski. Live in Australia, where snow conditions are variable at best. However, getting outside the resorts is the priority.

Currently skiing with Crispi CXP's (4 Buckles) on old K2 Enemy's (178cm) with BD O2's, and another pair being old Dynaster 4x4 Powertrac's (176cm) with Rottafella Riva Z's on riser plates.

I am approx. 175kgs and 175cms tall. The current skis listed are the 'fattest' skis that I have been on. That being said, I am unsure how to size the new era of mid-fat and fat skis?

Any guidance?

Hey All. Trying to decide between 190 and...

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Hey All. Trying to decide between 190 and 180 Verdicts. I am 5'11' 190lbs. and a fairly aggressive skier. It will be for AT, with most skiing being in the Wasatch or Sierra. Thanks!

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I think you'll enjoy the 190 more if you like to go fast. I'm 6'2' 190 and they are great all around. With the slight rocker they turn as quick as you need them to.

Shred on!

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I'm 6' and 175, I own 190's. These skis beg to go fast at the resort. For backcountry, 180's would save a little weight and still let you straight line away.

I want these skis! I'm an aggressive skier...

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I want these skis! I'm an aggressive skier and ski on and off piste in varying powder conditions from nill to deep. I'm 5'9" and 160lbs. What size would you recommend?

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180's

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the 180 will work for you just fine. the 190 is a long ski and you dont need to be carrying around that extra weight in the backcountry if you dont have to.

4 5

Go To Ski

this is the beginning of my second season with the bd verdict. i love this ski. it's become my go to ski because the width can deal with most conditions. i'm pretty much exclusively in the backcountry. they are wide enough to float in the lightest of utah powdah and can still carve a turn down a groomer.

i think to be happy with this ski you have to be a strong skier. mine is 2seasons old and i think that version is a bit stiffer. on hard packed i have to be over the ski and on it!.. if i'm not it will kick me out the back. for the same reasons the ski responds very well when asked to turn.

i think it could be a bit lighter for the weight weanies, but for me it's well worth lugging it uphill because it's a great ski.

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