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A versatile tele boot ideal for inbounds ripping and backcountry touring, the Black Diamond Men’s Push Telemark Boot blends commanding power and silky smooth flex. Black Diamond made the shell with a MidStiff bellow so it has a 110 flex rating, which is ideal for advanced freeheelers who want a lightweight, backcountry-capable boot with the power to drive big skis. This boot’s thermoformable liner features Black Diamond’s exclusive Boa closure system, providing the snug fit of lace-up liners without the added bulk. The Push’s adjustable forward lean covers eight degrees in three setting and the mechanically integrated ski/walk mode and mid-height cuff ensure excellent uphill efficiency. Outside Magazine liked this boot so much it slapped on the Best of Backcountry award and said "the best off the shelf fit and feel of any boot liner out there."
Bottom Line: Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
The boots are great, but they run small and don't pack out. I got the boots to drive big skis. They transfer a lot of power and are not too heavy for climbing. I got 27.0, the recommended size, but the boots were quite tight, even without the footbed. I thought they would pack out, but after a couple days of skiing, they fit the same. Returning for a larger size.
After skiing Crispi tele boots for 10 years, I took a leap of faith to BDs continually improving boot line. My first couple of days in these boots were a mess. The bellows flexed differently, they were lighter, my skiing was jacked. But...after about 7 days in these boots, I'm falling in love. My favorite part of this boot is the boa liner. I can get these suckers super dialed to my feet. I have found them to be a little on the cold side compared to what I'm used to, but the more I use them, the more I love them. They ski like a solid 4-buckle boot enabling me to charge any kind of terrain, but they're light enough that they are a great touring boot. If you're looking for a comfortable tele boot that's stiff enough to charge and light enough to tour, this is it.
I am having to retire my first pair of tele boots this year, a well used pair of garmont energy's or something of the sorts (way toooo big), and am looking into these boots. I owned a pair of the AT BD Methods and found them to be the best fitting pair of boots of my life, then switched to tele... What I'm wondering is if the push has a similar fit with heel retention, toe box and mid sole fit etc. to the Method. They're the same color so I just assume the do, but would appreciate an actual opinion before pulling the trigger.
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My old boot is a T2 - so these are significantly more stiff and burly. I'm finding that I feel more comfortable skiing aggressively and charging lines with this boot. Am also able to shift between tele and parallel turns more easily and can carve a better parallel turn.
pros: -beefy front tongue allows you to apply greater forward pressure on the ski -the boa liner closure is quick and works flawlessly -going from walk to ski mode takes only a simple flick of the rear latch - and you can actually feel and hear the mechanism engage/disengage -my first 4 buckle tele boot - love the adjustment possibilities
cons: -weight - for long distance touring I'll likely go back to the T2's
I was a snowboarder, then someone taught me how to tele, then i bought these boots, and now i have a hard time deciding what to ride. I love these boots. I enjoy the stiffness of them on the down, but love the flex they offer on the way up. the BOA lacing liner is phenomenal and i can tour for hours without wishing i was out of the boots. the only drawback to these boots is that the weigh a lot. they also overpower anything that is skinnier than 100 underfoot, in powder. but, they perform nicely when put on skinnier skis for corn, hard-pack, and fast on-piste skiing. these also need a free pivot binding (BD 01), touring without one is torture.
I just bought a pair of BD Push mondo size 26 to replace my size 26 Garmonts. Problem is that the Push are a good centimeter shorter than the Garmont and binding fitting is a problem. Has anyone encountered this?
I ordered the push without trying them on in a store. When I tried them on I felt sick that I got to tight of a boot. After heat treating them they now are as comfortable as the T2x Scarpas that I wore out in one season. I was blown away with how comfortable they are on the climb up, and the stabilty and the power they provide through deep knee turns is something I thought was not possible. The forward flex feels like I am wearing my UGG boots. The toes of the boot are roomy even at a 90 degree flex. The leash attaches to the boot where it is easy to get to. The buckles allow a lot of versibility of applying pressure where needed.
Black Diamond " NAILED IT" with the design of this boot. My honey do list will suffer from me buying these.
Would you advise going with a 26.5 that feels tight or a 27 that feels only a little roomy? My foot on a size board is 26.5 -however my foot is typically a bit wide so sometimes I go with a bigger shoe. Any advice for me?
100+ days on these boots, with good results. I have climbed, skied, hiked, crossed rivers, snowmobiled in these boots and I have a very positive opinion. Pluses -- the liner is fantastic: the boa lacing system lets you have a snug liner fit and looser shell fit, which allows you to skin comfortably (looser boots, but no blisters!). Also, the heel is narrow enough to fit crampons easily (really a godsend for us tele skiers that like to climb and ski steeper terrain!) Minuses -- the bellows does not seem as natural a contour as the T1 for my foot (although better for me than the garmont bellows).
these fit a touch wider than Scarpa, but not as wide as garmont. Highly recommended aggressive touring or ski area boot.
Hello. I ordered a size 27.0 and 27.5 and am trying to decide which one to keep (as in, which one fits best). The 27.0 is tight all around and really grabs my heel/ankle which I think would be good, however, overall it's uncomfortable. The 27.5 is comfortable and very slightly roomy. I'm not sure if the boot mold is the same size and just the liner is different. Anyway, I have not heated the boots or wore the 27.0 for more than 20 minutes. Not sure whether to keep the 27.0 and expect it will get comfortable over time or go with the 27.5. Also, how does one heat-fit the boots? Thanks in advance.
Kevin - Thanks for the information and advice which I took and kept the size 27.0. As I did not have time to get to a boot fitter, I placed the boots in our gear-drying closet with a space heater for 20-30 mins letting the room get pretty warm. I then put the boots on with my ski socks (being careful not to have any creases) and wore them around the house for 20min. I've skied them twice so far and they feel great now! Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions. Regards, Jeff (jhl100449764)
BD's shells change by the whole size, so the two you have should be the same shell. I would definitely recommend keeping the 27's, they will mold out. The place I got my touring boots didn't even carry the half sizes. Take them into a ski shop to get them molded. While your oven might go low enough to the recommended temp, it's hard to get into them without creasing. Also, ask them not to bake them too hot so you can mold several times to fix any issues.
Prior to these, I was on some older T2's that I thought fit me pretty well. When it came time to retire them though, I figured I would give BD a shot. I'm glad I did. After a year of skiing on these, I have no regrets. These boots fit me better than any other ski boot I have used (including alpine boots). They are a little wider than the Scarpa boots which was a pleasant change, and while out of the box my toes were a bit crunched, I took them in for a heat molding and now they are form fitting. 4 buckles is bomber and the BOA system is awesome (not sure what the durability is on it though, but no issues yet). As far as skiing on them, they have no issues driving my skis around in any conditions and the flex is quite smooth yet responsive. I agree with Bill's comment below, they are stiffer than the T2's, and as a result, I have noticed an improvement in my skiing when taking a more aggressive attack at the mountain. Ski/walk mode flip is a little cheap feeling, but it is still there after a year of abuse. A great booth though and I cant say enough positive things about them.
I almost 30 days in on these since I bought them in December and can't say I have any real complaints about them. I got them thinking they'd be quite stiff and slightly uncomfortable like my alpine boots but have been pleasantly surprised. The ski/walk mode adjuster looks a little weak...but it's still in tact. Great responsive boot that's worth the price in my opinion.
Sorry, but nope. The Push is a 75mm telemark specific boot. Some NTN boots are set up to be dynafit compatable, but that's the closest to a crossover there is. Good luck.
follow up question...I'm scared to heat mold my liners. seems like the plastic parts from the boa system could get messed up. any advice for me here? otherwise I love these boots.
Theoretically yes. I have both the Factor and Push from BD and am very satisfied with both boots. The Push uses the same thermo-mouldable liner as the Method. Most of the time just putting the boots on and either skiing a few laps or walking around for about 15 minutes will warm up the foam enough for it to mould to your feet sufficiently. If you do decide to pop them in the oven make sure you stay lower than about 150 F with the blower. Be careful with over-cooking the any boot liner - if it's too hot for too long the sole glue has a tendency to get soft and loosen itself. Also, if the liner has been used for more than a full season then it will might stink in the oven - it's OK just make sure the wife/GF is out of the house and the windows are open :) Hope this helps!
I had tight toes, numb in 45 minutes in these boots, but they felt like just a little punch would make them work. Two shops were very reluctant to punch and neither would do anything with the toes, punching behind the bellows only. So off to Sears and bought a heat gun and a few reversible clamps. Too lazy to shape some wood, the only implement I had to punch the boot was a 350 ml Patron tequila bottle. In it goes, top towards the toe. Heated the toe and continually clamped the Patron bottle toward the toe. Then out with the bottle and in with my foot with as many socks as I could put on and still get into the boot as it cooled. Voila! Boots are now all day comfortable and I have made a few very comfortable short hikes with them. Best all around tele boot I've ever had. Awesome.
These boots are great. Theyre a definite improvement over my old Garmont Synr G fits, much smoother bellows and a stiffer cuff. They can drive big skis and still tour nicely. I have to disagree with Noah, I have not had any cold feet in these boots, except for waiting to drop into sick lines in AK. I patrol in Mn and am outside 4 plus hours at a time in -10 F temperatures and have never had cold toes or used foot warmers.
T Race all the way. Generally, in the alpine skiing world, the recommendation is to go for softer boots, but telemark boots already have the forward flex built in that you need for shock absorption and avoiding shin-bang. The T Race will give you the closest to alpine boot performance in the park and pipe. There's really no contest with telemark park boots. The T Race is the absolute best. If you'll be doing little tricks and just hitting rails or rollers, you'd probably be able to get away with the Push or T2. Really, though, if you'll be killing it in the park, you'll want the T Races, for sure.
This boot is awesome! Fits and feels just like a alpine ski boot. The lateral stiffness of the boot really puts your skis on edge and the bevels have the perfect amount of stiffness. I would compare the stiffness to that of the scarpa T1 race. Tried out the bd customs and could barely flex the toe so i went with the push and don't regret it. 1st day in them felt like they were already broke in! the BOA liner is awesome and really helps out with the fit of the liner to youre calf. I had a pair of scarpa T1's before this boot and the push beats them out in everyway. Needless to say i won't be going back to scarpa.
I been teleskiing for over 25 years both piste and off-piste. I currently run 177 Volkl Mantra's on HHs with Crispi XPs. The XPs are packing out and are great for touring but at the resorts they are not stiff enough. Also, my street size is 9 (190 lbs) but I usually wear a 26.5. Scarpa's at that size are too tight so I need comfort for touring yet stiff enough for steep and rough conditions. Would you recommed the Push, T1s or the Voodoo and at what size? Thanks for your help.
T1's for sure. Size up to a 27, if that's what you need. In my opinion, the T1 is the best boot for aggressive skiers who prefer backcountry, and resort skiing. Year after year, the T1 has proven to be the superior boot for hard charging tele skiers. With over 200 days on my four buckle T1's, they barely show it, and I'm sure I'll get at least that much more out of them. Enjoy!
I have not been able to use this boot on the mountain yet but I have tried it on in the store and immediately ordered a pair. The boa system in the liner laces it snugly to your foot, when laced I had not heel lift. The walk mode completely released the upper cuff and made the boot comparable to a synergy in walk mode. The liners are heat moldable like most other boots but are designed so anatomically correct a heat molding may not be necessary for most feet. These boots are a great alternative to the Garmont Energy or the Scarpa T1.
i have skii'd a number of years on the crispi cxr and need a new pair. want to know how the bd push would compare and any other crispi boots that i might consider, haven't looked at the new models...
This was my second pair of boots, I started with an old old pair of Scarpa T3 and needed something stiffer. The Push was really the boot that took my free-heelin' to the next level. These boots rock if you're into skiing the crud at the local hill or going out on an all day tour. The ski/walk mode is fantastic, easy to flip and seems pretty durable. The only negative was the insoles, i just couldn't patrol in them all day. Overall great boots, if your on the edge and need to push it to the next level purchase these boots!
I've downhill skied for 40 plus years and am entering the free heeling market for the first time. I've got the skis, rottefella R8 bindings, and now I am looking for boots. Is the Push a good boot to get started on? Most of my skiing is done in Minnesota so hardpack, icy conditions rule.
Dude, I would start on a super lightweight boot. I have been sking telemark for 15yrs. Start soft on a cheaper boot, then if you like it and you are making turns, get a stiffer bigger boot. Just a thought. I think it is important in the first, to be able to feel your foot making a turn. A big/stiff boot is harder to feel your foot in... peaz
maybe people shouldn't try shit on at an outfitter then order online... somewhat disrespectful, wouldn't you say? if your going to order over the internet you should deal with someone with a good return policy and eat the shipping costs if you screw up your own order. just a thought.
Great boot to learn teleing with. It's also my first boot. BD ski boots are deffinitely cut narrower than Scarpas (I've been selling AT models from both companies for three years now). Rockin' boot!
I would disagree with the comment that scarpas are narrower than the BD sizing. I have tried on various sizes between 29.5 and 31, and found generally the scarpa was cut for a higher-volume foot. I have a narrow foot andf the BD fit much more evenly (they don't make a 31 though). I would say you have to go to an outfitter and try them on yourself before ordering anything online.
Hi Marc, Glad to hear you're making the switch and pursuing a more enlightened approach to turns. The Push would be a fine choice to start on, as would the Scarpa T1. Scarpas tend to run a little narrower and BD is somewhere in the middle in terms of width (Garmonts are wider, if you're into touring, the Syner-G might be a good choice as well). The T1 and the Push will be forgiving enough to start out, but will also provide enough performance to stay with you as you improve. Good luck!
BD knocked it out the park with these boots. First of all the boot fits my foot like a glove. I wear only a very thin nylon sock and my feet stay entirely warm. Steam comes off my feet when I take off the boots at the end of the day. People who claim they are cold are in the wrong size.My foot measures 28.5 and that is what I wear. A 29 feels too big because the shell gets bigger with that size. A 28 feels too small. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT SIZE.They are super comfortable to ski. They absorb shock like a full suspension of a mountain bike. The cuff is stiff giving incredible control, while the bellows flex exactly as you would want them to giving a buttery ride.I couldn't imagine a boot even in the same league as this boot (except for it's big brother the Custom).
why does the boot size chart on this site vary from other sites? for example this site shows us mens size 10 being a mondo size 27.25 while all other sites show this as being a mondo 28.
Not sure why we differ from other sites, but I can attest to the accuracy of this sizing chart. I am an 11.5 and wear a mondo 28.5 in Black Diamond boots and they fit perfectly...
i ski on 10 yr old t-1's which are the one tele boots i have ever owned. i tried these boots and while they fit very well and they perform very well they are too soft for me.
question about size...I typically wear a size 10 but sometimes 10.5 depending on manufacturer. I have a brand new pair of SeeThe 27.5s feel like the right length, but maybe just a tiny bit short. But they are killing the tops of my feet. should i get the Push in the 28 instead? BC.com doesn't have many boots at all in 27.5 in stock
I would go up the half size or whole size if I were you. I just bought 28.5 mondo size, even though I am a 27.5 according to the size chart. BD sizes run small especially if you have a wider foot like me. The shop where I purchased is going to stretch the heel some for me too as I was getting a slight pinch even after heat molding.
The boots are great, I just picked up a very slightly used pair unfortunately a half size too small (26.5). I need 27's. Anyone want to take a pair of barely used boots with minor scuffing for $350? Save a ton of money. Or trade me your 27's for my 26.5. Contact me at yan AT pritzker DOT ws
has anybody heard of any shell issues with the bd tele boots? i was looking at some b/d a/t boots (factor,method) and heard that they had some issues with shell materials (cracking). i am wondering if there were similar issues with the new series of tele boots
I just returned from a week of mixed inbounds and side and back country touring in Big Cottonwood Canyon. I used these boots with Mantra 177's and Voile Switchback Tour bindings. Multiple boot-packs up Evergreen, out to East Bowl & Flanagan's, shoulders of Wolverine cirque, multiple Honeycomb C gate+ traverses and a multi-lap trip up Bear Trap Fork. I weight about 190lbs.
First the liner & closure system: very nice. Keeps a snug fit regardless of buckle tension. Usually I return from a week of touring with blisters, hot-spots and maybe a black toenail or two, but not this time. I had brought my AT setup with me, but it sat unused all week. Putting on and removing the boot was very easy. The pull loops on the tongue and calf riser are nice touches.
Flex & stability: these boots are considerably stiffer than my AT (Denali TT's) boot, and helped keep a good edge on steep hardpack in tele or norpine turns. High speed never felt so secure as with these on my feet. Bellows flex was smooth and even.
Usability: this boot got me through afternoons of hard groomers, full tour days, and side country bootpacks and traverses. The walk mode is exceptional, leaving my legs free to go nearly vertical. I had none of the unintended-walk-mode episodes so common with the T2's. The latch mechanism takes very little force, but has a nice detent feel.
I wear a 10.5 US and got the 28.0 shell. Prior to the trip I was concerned about toe box size (I have about a D width foot) as it felt a little tight near the big toe, but heat fitting the liner helped, and the toes had zero problem in actual use. I originally ordered a 27.5 as one foot is 10 and the other 10.5, but I found it extremely tight and was very happy to have moved up to the 28.
The weight on these boots is considerable, so if miles of skinning is on your agenda, you might choose another boot. The stiffness gives great feeling of control in the deep duff and on the hardpack (I grew up skiing Whiteface - I know my hardpack).
These boots make it harder and harder to choose anything but my tele gear.
Are these liners as warm as the Intuition liners in Scarpas boots. I live in a cold climate and this is an important deciding factor on which boot I will purchase. I have a pair of Spirit 4's with Intuitions and they are very warm!
Been telemarking for the past week in these boots and I must say that they are totally awesome! They git like a glove, and my heel isn't moving anywhere. Did soe touring in these (one day trip) and they performed well. I guess the boots will be a little heavy for longer trips, but imagin' the trip down wearing these boots!! Superb control!
My liner packed out quite a bit, at first my feet were snug in an ultra thin pair of socks. Now I use medium weight socks and they have a comfortable fit. I have spent about 30 days on them.
I have used these boots for a full season, about 100 days of skiing and touring and they have held up well. The things I have had break on me have been the ski/walk mode switch which was promptly warranted it helps to live near BD. The other thing that broke was the boa tension knob I think it broke with a direct hit to the knob, again helps to live near BD. The buckles are laid out well and are well made as is the scuff guard on the inside fore foot. The soles also held up well to a lot of walking and scrambling. My biggest gripes have been they are the coldest boots I have ever owned painfully so, and I am disappointed with the cant of the cuff I tend to ski with knees together I have Canted the cuffs all the way to the inside but when you put them together the cuffs still cant to the outside, it has made it difficult to ski in a tele stance because I am unable to effectively use my up hill skis outer edge. The Fit has been alright but it is still too wide in the ankle and too narrow in the fore foot for me. Really my gripes come down to fit but the biggest is how cold they are other folks I know who own them complain also about how cold they are. But if they fit you well then it is a good boot that will probably get better.
265 F is the recommended temp at which to cook, them, I believe. The instructions say 130 C + or - 5 degrees, which would be 257 F to 275 F. 130 C = 266 F. I like the pizzastone/towel idea. I just but the towel on the rack, and gave them 12 minutes. While they were in the oven, I put a thin sock on with some handkerchiefs around my foot to simulate a toe cap, and then another liner sock over. I made sure the sock was tight so I didn't get any wrinkles. I pulled the liners out of the oven, put them on my feet, and slipped them into the ski boot. A tightened the straps to just snug and waited fifteen minutes. Perfect fit. Things to watch for: Make sure the seem at the bottom of the boot is straight and right under your heel. Don't get any wrinkles in your sock, or folds in the liner. If you can't do it right on your third try, take it to a professional.
Hey Mike,I've heated my liners at home (Scarpa, Garmont and BD) for years and here's what I've found to work best.Place your oven rack on the 2nd from the bottom position. Place a pizza stone or large baking pan on the rack, then cover the rack/stone with an old dish towel. This will prevent the rack itself from burning the liners. Heat oven to NO MORE than 225 degrees F. Place liners in oven once it is warm and keep an eye on them. I usually turn them every 3 minutes and heat for about 10 miutes total time. Once you are done heating them they should be warm, and moldable. Follow the directions for molding them once out of the oven...
i only have 5 days on them but they are super comfortable already. already had a buckle break off but replaced the rivets with threaded screws ad went on my way.(some dude stepped on it in the gondola. anyway, the boa system is sick and the bellows are buttery. nice!
I skied on these Black Diamond Push tele boots for a full season. They are incredibly comfortable. I never unbuckle them and when the end of the day comes I'm not dying to take them off (as most people seem to be!). The boa system on the inner liner is spectacular. Love it. Put both boots on, tap the boa knob, and turn clockwise to tighten (I do both at once). This keeps your foot nice and snug in the liner. Great design. The boots themselves are well designed. They squeek a little but I'm sure I could address that with a little cooking spray or something. Walk mode works well and the flex is excellent. I skied on the T1 prior to these -- also a great boot -- but the liner on the BD Push is definitely better.
After being a bit hesitant about the price, I reflected back to my past experiences with Black Diamond, all positive, and decided to go for it.
First, I ordered a half size too small, but Backcountry, in their exceptional customer service, got me straightened out the next day with the right size. Then still a bit worried because of toe-bump, I called Black Diamond, and Adam gave me advice from his experience with the Push in the same size...
I haven't skied them yet, but my initial reaction is this: incredibly comfortable and well thought out. In my years skiing alpine and snowboarding on alpine boards with plastic boots, NEVER have a pair felt so good straight out of the box. After walking around in them for about an hour, my feet settled right in, and the responsive flex in the bellows really shone through. Riding them for the first time tomorrow, but I am confident I'll be impressed.
I just bought this boot but haven't used it yet. However, I did get a 28.5 and I usually wear a size 11-12 shoe. That was after a fitting in the store. I also have a pretty wide foot, (the salesman said he was impressed). And this was the boot he steered me to.Ah, sorry to the person who answered before...I didn't know I could completely wipe out your answer. I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I think that feature needs to be updated!
I keep getting flooded with emails to review this boot. The only problem is I haven't used it in the snow yet. I will say that the fit is amazing and they feel great while hiking up the stairs and around the house. Snowbird has just opened, but me being a poor-ass Ogdenite will proly be down there hiking by week's end. I'll post a more informative review later in the season, but hopefully this will stop all the review emails.
The boots are great, but they run small and don't pack out. I got the boots to drive big skis. They transfer a lot of power and are not too heavy more...
After skiing Crispi tele boots for 10 years, I took a leap of faith to BDs continually improving boot line. My first couple of days in these boots were more...