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Decent, but not my favorites
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
These are some of the cheapest draws out there, especially if you get them on sale. I think still like the plain Positrons better, though
--Typically the cheapest Black Diamond draws available
--Wiregate rope end makes distinguishing which ends gets the bolt hanger easy.
--Lighter (slightly) than Positron draws.
--Nose-less draw on the bolt end for ease in cleaning overhung routes
--Wiregate 'biner is not hooded, so it can still get hung up on things.
--Only one size available in quickpack form
--Not that much lighter than Positron draws.
I was raised to be picky about my 'biners, and I prefer hooded or noseless over non-hooded wiregates. These are perfectly safe, and as many have noted they are cheap, but when it comes time to replace the rope-end on these I will likely spring for Hoodwires or Oz biners.
Compromise all the way
These quickdraws have no place in my rack. I bought the 18cm ones, since I do a lot of trad. These things are too heavy for trad for sure, but I understand they are mostly intended for sport. Still, for sport, there are much better options for just a couple pennies more that these are not worth the saving.
In all fairness, the gate of the draws open extremely well and clipping them is comfortable, but they are just too big and heavy.
Perfect Draws for Sport Climbing
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I love these draws. I got a few of the 18cm to add a few longer ones to my rack for different situations. they are relatively light and the wire gate makes for nice clipping. Black Diamond makes bomber gear and each caribiner holds 25kn which is pretty good for the price.
These draws are awesome, I used them four times a week all summer and couldnt be more stoked. Light weight and I swear they are like rope magnets. Clipping is easier than chalking up. Get some and go have some fun!
- Gender: Female
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I just got ten of these as part of my first rack, and I couldn't be happier. They clip well and are designed well. Particularly compared with friends' cheaper brand biners these are awesome... the gates don't stick, the biners don't move around on the dogbones (my friend's draw actually rotated so the rope was running across the gate... yikes). Totally worth the money.
Great biners, so so dogbone
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I got a set of these and swapped out the dogbone for the thick, black BD vari-widths. Absolutely love them top to bottom now, effortless clipping to hangers and cleaning, rope clip is as sure and effortless as possible (less than hoodwires imo). Very happy with these biners and was surprised at how much I like them relative to more expensive biners. Very good value biners but I definitely prefer a thicker dogbone.
top to bottom
Top positron biner feels nice in the hand, super smooth on the clips, and is slightly smaller than the hotwire bottom. Bottom hotwire biner is incredibly light for its size due to the hotforging, is slightly larger giving that massive gate opening, and feels great in your hand! . . Did I mention smooth and effortless rope clipping?
Dogbones are 14mm wide now which makes them much less prone to twisting than the older 10mm ones, and even easier to clip. Only thing I don't like about the BD dogbones are the rubber inserts on the bottom loop as they are sensitive to tearing out if you're swapping bottom biners. Good thing you'll never need too. .
good durable economical draws
i used them almost daily on a year-long climbing trip in asia and they definitely have withstood the beating. they are not the lightest draws to travel with, so i recently purchased a set of wild country ultralight draw for that, but for general sport cragging they are very good, especially at the price!
Anyone have these cuties for sport climbing?...
Anyone have these cuties for sport climbing? Any recommendations, cons, pros? They are on heavier side but they seem to be solid, they have keylock gear biner and they have wider dogbones so Its not likely they will twist during the clipping. Im considering buiyng 12 of them for sport crags routes but there are also the BD Hotwires , they are 10 grams lighter than posiwires but they dont come with 18 cm long dogbones here.. I have a dilemma which to choose. Is the positron biner the same size as Nitron ?
This is a great draw, both Carabiners are a nice size and quite functional - its also an amazing value.
My recommendation would be this draw over the Hotwire, unless you're made of money or are obsessed with aesthetics. The extra $.30 per gram saved is not a very good price/weight tradeoff, also, an extra 120g on your harness wont make a lick of difference as to whether or not you send a sport route. You'd be better off putting that $36 towards a lighter rope.
The positron is almost exactly the same size as the Nitron, although a slightly different shape
They seem to have 18cm back in stock if you're still looking (totally go with the 18cm). I'd pick em up in a pack though unless you don't need 6 of them right now.
I do prefer the nitron biner to the positron, but like simon says, it's not worth the extra money unless you're in dire need of some extra light gear with an awesome orange color ;)and even then there are lighter draws. Tho maybe not full sized with the same strength ratings as the hotwires!
If I had infinite money, I'd totally buy the hotwires over the posiwires in a heartbeat. no question.