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when are their going to be more black...
when are their going to be more black diamond outlaw avalung packs in stock
when are their going to be more black...
when are their going to be more black diamond outlaw avalung pack M/L
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Avalung deployed on my Outlaw Avalung Pa
A late season 2 metre dump in the Arrowsmiths (South island, NZ) meant epic conditions. Avalanche danger was deemed "considerable" hence why I'm wearing my avalung
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Great backcountry pack, might even save your life...
Firstly, the avalung feature. Statistically speaking, they say the "average" avalanche burial rescue takes 20 minutes. Also statistically, the chances of you surviving are pretty close to 100% (assuming you're just "buried", no blunt force trauma etc) up to 15 minutes and start to taper off rapidly after that. This thing supposedly gives you close to an hour breathing time under the snow, hopefully more than enough time for your buddies to dig you out. I like that. The question then becomes, Do you have the avalung in your mouth when the avalanche hits? Are you able to keep it in your mouth as you are ragdolled by the avalanche? If you're not wearing it, are you able to get it in your mouth (ah i'm guessing "no" if you don't have it unzipped at the very least)? If so, will it then be full of snow and therefore blocked by the time you get it in? These are all variables that we can't necessarily control, so just because you have this don't let it replace good, conservative judgement in avalanche terrain. 'Nuff said about that!
Secondly, the pack is a very good design for the backcountry touring daytripper and about the only one in the black diamond avalung range that has a snowboard carry. 2 plankers can A-frame.
It's got 2 main compartments, 1 for your avalanche tools and 1 for other gear.
The avalanche tool pocket naturally has room for your probe and shovel plus any other stuff like a snowsaw, rutchblock cord etc. Conveniently this pocket has a little drain hole so when you stuff your shovel back in after digging a pit any melted snow drains out rather than making your gear all wet, cool huh?
The main pocket is also accessible via a zip flap not just from the top of the pack, but the back as well, fantastic if you like to carry an SLR as you can leave the waist straps done up, undo the shoulder straps, swivel the pack round to your front, unzip the back and get your camera out to snap your buddy hucking that cliff - all without your precious gear getting buried in the 2 foot of fresh!
There's a goggle pocket at the top that fits large goggles (i have airbrakes and they fit ok).
The waist straps also have a pocket on each strap, unfortunately just a little small for all but the smallest compact camera, so I just keep a leatherman and board tool in there.
It's also got a room for a hydration bladder and there's an insulated cover for the tube that helps slow down the tube from freezing although I don't really use a camelbak at all. It looks like it only takes quite a small camelbak, so if are gonna use this feature it's worth checking what size will fit in there.
The board carry is good and has rubber lining so your edges don't cut your pack. It's also nice and contoured to your back shape thanks to a back-shaped wire frame. For inbounds days when you aren't carrying the kitchen sink, it will cinch up really nicely if you tighten the straps, really low profile if you don't have much gear. The straps hide away nicely and, unlike some packs (e.g. burton AK), there aren't 50 million loose straps flapping in the breeze just waiting to string you up as you exit a chair. Poles attach nicely to the sides.
The shoulder and waist straps have multiple adjustments to get the right balance and fit.
The only minor design flaw I have found is the top cinch straps on the side (the ones with the clip) tend to pull unevenly if you have them tightened when the pack isn't full (i.e. not packed out at the top) putting stress on one side of where the straps are anchored and possibly tearing them over time. I don't tend to have these top straps tightened for this reason when the pack is mostly empty, but it's not really a big deal.
Some people have mentioned in reviews that they find the avalung "box" in the left shoulder strap digs in as it has quite sharp sides, but I haven't found this at all, that is "yes, the sides of the box are sharpish", but "no they don't dig in and annoy me".
The avalung can be a bit fiddly to get back in to its zip when not required, certainly with thick gloves on. If you are heli-skiing and can't be bothered to stow the avalung before every pickup (I can't!), make sure you clear the snow out before you drop as it tends to fill with snow in this situation.
The zips seem to be good quality and I've haven't had them ice up on me.
I've got 31 days up this season and I have worn this pack every single one of those days - it's great for every day-to-day situation - inbounds, sidecountry, backcountry, heli. For a full day split touring scenario I had no problems getting in an SLR, handheld video camera, big lunch + bottle of water, emergency down layer + stripped off layers for the skin up, small first aid kit, half a dozen voile straps, small emergency bivvy, balaclava, spare beanie, skins/poles/split crampons + avy gear.
All-in-all a top backpack for backcountry snowboarding (or 2 planking if you really must!) with a little safety feature thrown in!
What a great pack - built in avvy safety feature - wears comfortably and packs real nice - worth the 5 stars!!
best pack around
This is a great pack, its the right size for a day tour. But my shovel handle which is the voile telepro didn't fit in the shovel pocket that is because the telepro has a large handle. My BD snowsaw was tight also in the pocket. MY 300CM BD Quickdraw probe was tight. I have to say I had the small/medium size and my dad had the medium/large and it all fit fine in his. I returned this because it was a little small for me and also my avy equipment didn't fit in it. Great pack all in all but I returned this for the BD Avalung Revelation
is there any differences between this pack...
is there any differences between this pack and the BD covert pack other than size?
A few straps placed in different places. Thats about it. They're the same general pack body design. The Covert can get bigger and shrink down smaller than the Outlaw. I'm not sure why BD keeps the Outlaw around.
The Covert has a better diagonal carry and a helmet holder.
can you do A frame carry with the covert?
What for this three things, marked on my...
What for this three things, marked on my picture?
#2 is the noseplug that comes with all Avalungs and Avalung-equipped packs. You're supposed to put it on at the top of your run to keep snow from plugging your nose in case of a slide and to look ridiculous.
#1 is a strap that you use with #3 in order to pull off a diagonal ski carry. Slide your skis into the large webbing loop at the lower left of the pack and strap them up top by buckling #1 to #3.
Hey Dave, the nose plugs are meant for if you do get buried you don't breathe out of your nose, so you don't get the pocket of carbon dioxide in front of your face, like you would without the avalung.
I just got my Outlaw in the mail, seems...
I just got my Outlaw in the mail, seems like it will be a great pack.
I have a question about hydration bladders. The pocket seems small and the bladder from my old pack sticks out of it at the top. Can anyone recommend a good bladder that fits snug?
The best, and good for shorter torsos
This is such an awesome pack, especially for all day tours. The easy access panel on your back makes it super quick to find whatever you need, and the separate compartment for your shovel and probe keeps those handy when you need them immediately. Buckles on the outside make for a nice, fast place to clip your coat on so you don't take up room on the interior, though the pack can fit a big coat and has plenty of room for whatever you need for a full day without feeling bulky.
It also fits well on people with short torsos- better than another BD pack, the Agent, which can feel a bit too long.
Is this pack part of the 2010 recall? It...
Is this pack part of the 2010 recall? It looks like it is on the BD recall page but I do not know the serial number so can't tell for sure.
Awesome Pack Except...
I am in love with this pack. It has the problems others have talked of, the fit of the airbox, and the how it is hard to find the ideal bladder (I just hang whatever bladder in there and pack around it, use the pocket for other items, tools and snacks), but for me, the good parts of this pack outweigh all of this. It is exceptionally compressible so that when it is not entirely full, it can become very flush with your back (a trait that is especially important for snowboarders), the back pocket is great, avi equipment fits very nicely and is easily and quickly accessible, etc.
But there is one more issue that I have not seen discussed (maybe I missed it). On both my friend't outlaw as well as mine, the hydration zipper will freeze shut and never open again.
I actually went to Black Diamond about this, and they insta-replaced the pack, but on my second run the next day, it was frozen up again. Anybody else have this problem? Possibly a fix?
It seems like the zipper teeth are just too small in this one place. Any tips would be appreciated as it doesn't seem like getting a new one is really worth my time and the shipping.
Great pack but.. needs work on the airbox
I will at some point pick this pack up to replace my Dakine Pro 2. I have tried it out a few times to make sure it's the one I want. The fit is superb, the best fitting winter pack I have tried on. It even has a rod support system that helps distribute loads and keep its shape no matter what you have in/on it or how it is synched (something the Dakine pack utterly fails to do). It has all the storage you need with appropriate compartments including a very handy zippered back panel flap (which does not effect comfort or fit). It fits all my avy gear with ease, and it has a vertical snowboard carry (which the covert does not) but does not have a horizontal snowboard carry.
THE DOWN SIDE (why this is not a 5 star pack):
The airbox that brings in fresh air is literally a box with 90º corners. Normally this would not matter, however this box is positioned right ontop of your shoulder where allot of weight and pressure is held. The positioning of this makes for a very uncomfortable hot spot. WHY DID BLACK DIAMOND DO THIS??? Im my opinion this is a HUGE mistake in the design of this pack that could easily be fixed with a better location or an ergonomic shaped box. FYI - you can but should not move the air box due to its required interaction with the mesh material it rests inside of (moving it can restrict air intake and nullify its functionality)! The only other gripe I have with this is the back panel's lack of good air flow between your back and the pack (same goes with 99% of the winter packs out there) giving the user a sweaty back.
this is a great pack, however you can feel the avalung on the left shoulder, not a huge deal since it can possibly save your life, but at the same time you know it is there. perfect size, and super comfy (other than the avalung). avy pocket fits shovel and probe perfectly. holds everything i need for a day in the backcountry.
Would this be usable as a photo pack? I...
Would this be usable as a photo pack? I like the rear access to spin the pack around my waist and be able to open the rear access on the pack. Could I fit a full sized DSLR in some padding in the pack and make this into a photo pack accessible in this fashion? (I am thinking I can carry the DSLR in a padded waist pack inside the pack). Or would a different avalung pack work better for a day pack and quick rear access for shooting? Thanks!
REI carries this pack - go to the REI Denver and bring your camera to check the fit. Then, buy it on Backcountry.com.
Going on my second season of heavy usage with this pack. Only one tiny rip that I think is from my catching a tree at mach 10. Really durable and awesome all around pack. It's a good size, but everything is compacted really well and can fit anything you need for a one or two day trip.
Black Diamond Outlaw with Avalung
The Black Diamond Outlaw/Avalung Pack is a killer pack & fits all the essentials (& then some). Prior to heading out on a light, low-angle tour, I was able to fit my shovel, probe, snacks, small hydration bladder & Nikon D90. The back zip panel makes access even easier. Plus the Outlaw is insanely comfortable.
perfect size and fit for a week-long ski traverse from Chamonix to Zermatt. The rear-entry feature is really handy for quick and easy ski-transitions.