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Black Diamond designed every inch of the Outlaw Avalung Pack with versatility in mind, so you only need one bag for all your backcountry ski trips. You can access any part of the interior thanks to both front- and back-panel zippers. This Black Diamond pack holds skis or a snowboard, so you can get to the goods no matter what you ride. Plus, the Outlaw Pack's Avalung system helps you breathe under the snow and gives your friends a better chance of finding you in time should you happen to get buried in an avalanche.
The one part of this pack that really sells it for me is the front access. It has a zipper right where the pack rests on your back so all you have to do is take your shoulder straps off and spin it around on your waste and you can get to all your gear in the pack. It is great for photographers who are always having to take their pack on and off to access their camera. It also has the avalung which is a huge plus. I would recommend it for any avid backcountry traveler both snowboarders and skiers.
A few straps placed in different places. Thats about it. They're the same general pack body design. The Covert can get bigger and shrink down smaller than the Outlaw. I'm not sure why BD keeps the Outlaw around.
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This is one of the best backcountry packs I have used. Its a perfect size and the avalung is key. The packs features are simple and straight forward but it has everything you need.
Hey Dave, the nose plugs are meant for if you do get buried you don't breathe out of your nose, so you don't get the pocket of carbon dioxide in front of your face, like you would without the avalung.
#2 is the noseplug that comes with all Avalungs and Avalung-equipped packs. You're supposed to put it on at the top of your run to keep snow from plugging your nose in case of a slide and to look ridiculous.
#1 is a strap that you use with #3 in order to pull off a diagonal ski carry. Slide your skis into the large webbing loop at the lower left of the pack and strap them up top by buckling #1 to #3.
On a heli-ski trip out of Haines, AK in April 2008, experienced backcountry skier Chris Cardello was prepared and knew the risks. He was also wearing a helmet cam. This footage is an intense first person perspective on being caught in an avalanche, riding it to burial, breathing through a Black Diamond AvaLung and being rescued by trained professionals. Be safe out there!
The Black Diamond AvaLung allows you to breathe fresh air directly from the snowpack, buying you precious time during a rescue. Rebreathing exhaled air when youre buried causes suffocation because the air becomes oversaturated with carbon dioxide and depleted of oxygen. The AvaLung diverts the exhausted air away from your fresh-air intake zone, considerably extending the time your partners have to conduct a successful recovery.
This is such an awesome pack, especially for all day tours. The easy access panel on your back makes it super quick to find whatever you need, and the separate compartment for your shovel and probe keeps those handy when you need them immediately. Buckles on the outside make for a nice, fast place to clip your coat on so you don't take up room on the interior, though the pack can fit a big coat and has plenty of room for whatever you need for a full day without feeling bulky.
It also fits well on people with short torsos- better than another BD pack, the Agent, which can feel a bit too long.
I just got my Outlaw in the mail, seems like it will be a great pack. I have a question about hydration bladders. The pocket seems small and the bladder from my old pack sticks out of it at the top. Can anyone recommend a good bladder that fits snug?
Firstly, the avalung feature. Statistically speaking, they say the "average" avalanche burial rescue takes 20 minutes. Also statistically, the chances of you surviving are pretty close to 100% (assuming you're just "buried", no blunt force trauma etc) up to 15 minutes and start to taper off rapidly after that. This thing supposedly gives you close to an hour breathing time under the snow, hopefully more than enough time for your buddies to dig you out. I like that. The question then becomes, Do you have the avalung in your mouth when the avalanche hits? Are you able to keep it in your mouth as you are ragdolled by the avalanche? If you're not wearing it, are you able to get it in your mouth (ah i'm guessing "no" if you don't have it unzipped at the very least)? If so, will it then be full of snow and therefore blocked by the time you get it in? These are all variables that we can't necessarily control, so just because you have this don't let it replace good, conservative judgement in avalanche terrain. 'Nuff said about that!
Secondly, the pack is a very good design for the backcountry touring daytripper and about the only one in the black diamond avalung range that has a snowboard carry. 2 plankers can A-frame.
It's got 2 main compartments, 1 for your avalanche tools and 1 for other gear.
The avalanche tool pocket naturally has room for your probe and shovel plus any other stuff like a snowsaw, rutchblock cord etc. Conveniently this pocket has a little drain hole so when you stuff your shovel back in after digging a pit any melted snow drains out rather than making your gear all wet, cool huh?
The main pocket is also accessible via a zip flap not just from the top of the pack, but the back as well, fantastic if you like to carry an SLR as you can leave the waist straps done up, undo the shoulder straps, swivel the pack round to your front, unzip the back and get your camera out to snap your buddy hucking that cliff - all without your precious gear getting buried in the 2 foot of fresh!
There's a goggle pocket at the top that fits large goggles (i have airbrakes and they fit ok).
The waist straps also have a pocket on each strap, unfortunately just a little small for all but the smallest compact camera, so I just keep a leatherman and board tool in there.
It's also got a room for a hydration bladder and there's an insulated cover for the tube that helps slow down the tube from freezing although I don't really use a camelbak at all. It looks like it only takes quite a small camelbak, so if are gonna use this feature it's worth checking what size will fit in there.
The board carry is good and has rubber lining so your edges don't cut your pack. It's also nice and contoured to your back shape thanks to a back-shaped wire frame. For inbounds days when you aren't carrying the kitchen sink, it will cinch up really nicely if you tighten the straps, really low profile if you don't have much gear. The straps hide away nicely and, unlike some packs (e.g. burton AK), there aren't 50 million loose straps flapping in the breeze just waiting to string you up as you exit a chair. Poles attach nicely to the sides.
The shoulder and waist straps have multiple adjustments to get the right balance and fit.
The only minor design flaw I have found is the top cinch straps on the side (the ones with the clip) tend to pull unevenly if you have them tightened when the pack isn't full (i.e. not packed out at the top) putting stress on one side of where the straps are anchored and possibly tearing them over time. I don't tend to have these top straps tightened for this reason when the pack is mostly empty, but it's not really a big deal.
Some people have mentioned in reviews that they find the avalung "box" in the left shoulder strap digs in as it has quite sharp sides, but I haven't found this at all, that is "yes, the sides of the box are sharpish", but "no they don't dig in and annoy me".
The avalung can be a bit fiddly to get back in to its zip when not required, certainly with thick gloves on. If you are heli-skiing and can't be bothered to stow the avalung before every pickup (I can't!), make sure you clear the snow out before you drop as it tends to fill with snow in this situation.
The zips seem to be good quality and I've haven't had them ice up on me.
I've got 31 days up this season and I have worn this pack every single one of those days - it's great for every day-to-day situation - inbounds, sidecountry, backcountry, heli. For a full day split touring scenario I had no problems getting in an SLR, handheld video camera, big lunch + bottle of water, emergency down layer + stripped off layers for the skin up, small first aid kit, half a dozen voile straps, small emergency bivvy, balaclava, spare beanie, skins/poles/split crampons + avy gear.
All-in-all a top backpack for backcountry snowboarding (or 2 planking if you really must!) with a little safety feature thrown in!
This is a great pack, its the right size for a day tour. But my shovel handle which is the voile telepro didn't fit in the shovel pocket that is because the telepro has a large handle. My BD snowsaw was tight also in the pocket. MY 300CM BD Quickdraw probe was tight. I have to say I had the small/medium size and my dad had the medium/large and it all fit fine in his. I returned this because it was a little small for me and also my avy equipment didn't fit in it. Great pack all in all but I returned this for the BD Avalung Revelation
Would this be usable as a photo pack? I like the rear access to spin the pack around my waist and be able to open the rear access on the pack. Could I fit a full sized DSLR in some padding in the pack and make this into a photo pack accessible in this fashion? (I am thinking I can carry the DSLR in a padded waist pack inside the pack). Or would a different avalung pack work better for a day pack and quick rear access for shooting? Thanks!
Rode all last weekend with it, lifts on Saturday and a day hike Sunday. This pack is super ergo and hugs your body really well when riding. BD put their time in on this one. I'm a snowboarder so the back access is really nice when hiking. Strap Adjustments are easy to use and having the Avalung on it gives a little piece of mind. Hopefully, I never need to use it. Camelback bladders slide into the hydration port easily and the right side shoulder strap has a zippered pouch that keeps your hydration tube insulated and out of sight.
Wondering whether the Avalung can be removed from the Outlaw with Avalung. This will help me decide whether to buy Outlaw with Avalung, or to buy an Outlaw without Avalung, and buy an Avalung separately. Why? With the two separately, I could leave the avalung home and take the Outlaw when there's no avalanche danger, and bring the avalung along and leave the Outlaw when I am on overnight trips with a bigger pack.
Yeah, you can pull the Avalung out. It's easy. As far as using the Avalung in a different pack, it would be difficult to make it work, as only the Avalung comes out- there is no harness to use otherwise. I'm not saying it would be impossible to adapt the Avalung component for use in another pack, but it won't be easy. If I were you, I'd buy the Avalung II. That way, you'd have more versatility for resort days, backcountry day tours, and overnight hut/yurt trips.
I have some pictures thrown up of skis on this pack (not good and not on the back, but they get the job done) posted up on the standard Outlaw page. Check them out!
I will at some point pick this pack up to replace my Dakine Pro 2. I have tried it out a few times to make sure it's the one I want. The fit is superb, the best fitting winter pack I have tried on. It even has a rod support system that helps distribute loads and keep its shape no matter what you have in/on it or how it is synched (something the Dakine pack utterly fails to do). It has all the storage you need with appropriate compartments including a very handy zippered back panel flap (which does not effect comfort or fit). It fits all my avy gear with ease, and it has a vertical snowboard carry (which the covert does not) but does not have a horizontal snowboard carry.
THE DOWN SIDE (why this is not a 5 star pack): The airbox that brings in fresh air is literally a box with 90º corners. Normally this would not matter, however this box is positioned right ontop of your shoulder where allot of weight and pressure is held. The positioning of this makes for a very uncomfortable hot spot. WHY DID BLACK DIAMOND DO THIS??? Im my opinion this is a HUGE mistake in the design of this pack that could easily be fixed with a better location or an ergonomic shaped box. FYI - you can but should not move the air box due to its required interaction with the mesh material it rests inside of (moving it can restrict air intake and nullify its functionality)! The only other gripe I have with this is the back panel's lack of good air flow between your back and the pack (same goes with 99% of the winter packs out there) giving the user a sweaty back.
It compresses quite a bit with the straps. Also, the pack really isn't huge or anything, it's only 30L, and it comes a lot from the length, not the height off your back.
I love this backpack. I am very impressed with all of the features. The hip belt pockets are awesome, the "back door" entrance is genius, the side sinch down straps make it very compact, the snowboard carrying system is perfect, the insulated hydration sleeve seems very nicely done- even though I haven't looked for a bladder to fit the pouch (from other reviews I heard it was a little difficult to find one that fits best). The compartment for avy tools is very easily accessible and fits a BD deploy 7 shovel and any probe perfectly. and the avalung adds a little extra peace of mind and is a perfect addition to a complete set of avalanche safety gear and backcountry knowledge. Having said that, the only thing that I don't like about this pack is the location of the air valve. located on the left shoulder strap, this one way air valve is cleverly designed to pull oxygen in through the breathable fabric and close when co2 is pushed through directing it out the bottom of the pack. My issue with it is that this approximately two inch long box is placed directly on top of the crest of the shoulder! This inhibits the strap from contouring to the shoulder as the crest is a box. When I first put the pack on I felt this blemish immediately as I had just ridden the train accross the country and had soar shoulders. When I wore the pack on the mountain for the first time it wasn't as noticable because the hip and chest strap system is so supportive it takes the pressure off the shoulders. This pack definately straps on to your back more than it hangs from your shoulders which I love. I think that putting the box behind the head in the body of the pack would be a better place. Or further down the shoulder strap, substituting the length of the tube with the mouthpiece on it, which when fully extended hangs halfway down my thigh. I don't understand how, when testing it, someone at BD could put this pack on and think that this is the best place for this box. I even considered widening the hole that is the tube enterance into the shoulder strap a tiny bit so it would be big enough to move the valve box through it and stash it behind my head in the pack. This would comprimise the avalung system which is designed for you to be able to do all of your breathing through this hose in your mouth, even though I think there would still be enough air back there. I still haven't loaded the pack for a full day in the backcountry, only wore it in bounds on some powder days to get used to it and some small side country runs. I'm sure that the more weight I put in it, the more I'll feel the box. So far it's not bad and for me this is not a deal buster because the pros far outweigh this con.
I'm 5'4" and 125, and have owned a Black Diamond pack. I had the Covert in the S/M size and it was a bit long. It seemed like my head was hitting the pack a lot. I have since went with a shorter pack length. Every person is sized different though. If the S/M doesn't work out, you can always return it. They've got great customer service here.
This could be problematic because the S/M is (torso size) 16"-19" and she is probably something closer to 14". Unfortunately BD doesn't make a pack specifically for smaller females (ie. smaller torso size), but you can't know what size she is unless you measure her. I am 6'2" 175lbs. and i wear anything from 18"-20". It just depends... On that note, you could order the S/M and just return it if it doesn't fit and get a smaller pack and an Avalung sling!
Hello, I just bought a Outlaw Avalung pack, and wondering about the breathing in the avalungsystem. When I breath normally, the pack sounds both on inhale and exhale and that is a very high sound. Should it do that? If i breath very hard it doesnt sound, but i get dizzy of breathing so much.
I don't know if it was specifically designed to do that, but I would think it is a good thing to constantly be making noise when you're buried in snow and people are trying to figure out where you are.
The Black Diamond Outlaw/Avalung Pack is a killer pack & fits all the essentials (& then some). Prior to heading out on a light, low-angle tour, I was able to fit my shovel, probe, snacks, small hydration bladder & Nikon D90. The back zip panel makes access even easier. Plus the Outlaw is insanely comfortable.
I'm a 65-year-old backcountry skier and every onze of weight is an issue. The Backcountry Magazine featured this pack in their Nov.08 issue and quotes the weight as 2LB 12OZ. This ad says it's 3LB 10oz. What's the truth??? They are both 32 liters big.Thanks for some clarification, Ingrid
The pack you saw reviewed that only weighed 2 lb 12 oz was the Outlaw pack without the AvaLung. That's where the extra weight (and $100 in price) comes from. If you need the added safety of the AvaLung it should be worth the extra weight and cost.
Wow this is the best day pack ever! I had a Covert Avalung last year and thought it was perfect, but man was I wrong. This holds everything you need for a day tour (shovel/probe, skins on the way down, an extra layer/gloves, goggles, some munchies, H20 bladder) and still cinches down super tight when you need to use it for lift accessed. The BD Deploy 7 shovel fits in the front pocket like they were designed with each other in mind (maybe?), and the Avalung really doesn't bother you as long as you have a couple layers on, though if you are wearing it over a single base layer or something I could see it being annoying. I'm 6'1, pretty skinny, and the M/L fits just right. Plenty of room for adjustment from my size either way. It also has a rigid wire internal frame to keep it from getting weird bulges. The only thing I have found off is that it won't fit a full 100oz Camelbak on the hanger, but with a bit of that gone it will slide in and hang on. All in all it is a phenomenal product.
i have about 18/19in torso, so i should fit both...but I'm glad i bought the S/M because the M/L is a lot larger...and i would bang my head on the pack.
Great bag. Fits a little small. I used the Black Diamond sizing guide and was of course, right in-between sizes. Went a with the smaller bag and its just a hair to small. Nothing annoying. Took this bag on a hike already and it works great. Very well thought out, easily adjustable. Can't wait to hit the pow with it!
I bought this pack but haven't found a hydration bladder that fits in the pouch in the pack, it is pretty small. Has anyone found the correct size for it? Thanks
I am in love with this pack. It has the problems others have talked of, the fit of the airbox, and the how it is hard to find the ideal bladder (I just hang whatever bladder in there and pack around it, use the pocket for other items, tools and snacks), but for me, the good parts of this pack outweigh all of this. It is exceptionally compressible so that when it is not entirely full, it can become very flush with your back (a trait that is especially important for snowboarders), the back pocket is great, avi equipment fits very nicely and is easily and quickly accessible, etc. But there is one more issue that I have not seen discussed (maybe I missed it). On both my friend't outlaw as well as mine, the hydration zipper will freeze shut and never open again. I actually went to Black Diamond about this, and they insta-replaced the pack, but on my second run the next day, it was frozen up again. Anybody else have this problem? Possibly a fix? It seems like the zipper teeth are just too small in this one place. Any tips would be appreciated as it doesn't seem like getting a new one is really worth my time and the shipping.
I haven't tried this but maybe some WD-40, Silicone spray or the stuff you use to unlock frozen car door locks. I am not saying to carry it with you, spray before you go and it may keep moisture from building up and freezing. Just a thought.
Does this pack have enough room to fit regular gear (shovel, probe, jacket, water bottle) plus a helmet? Or should I get something larger like the anarchist?
This pack should fit everything you mentioned just fine, especially if you hook the helmet on the outside. On the other hand, the anarchist cinches down nicely when you have less gear and also has that extra space when you need more stuff. The helmet in this case would fit just fine inside. The anarchist also rides really well on the back no matter how much gear you have styuffed inside.
The size is definitely big enought to fit all that gear. Might be a little tough to squeeze the helmet in but it should make it. Can always hook it onto the outside if its a big issue.
I bought this pack pretty much 100% because of the avalung. I had enough of the separate avalung and pack - too many straps to deal with. Beyond the size and general shape, I didn't put too much thought into the rest of the pack. Fortunately, Black Diamond did. Turns out this is a great pack. BD has put a lot of thought into every detail. The fit is fantastic, nicely adjustable, and the durability of this pack is top notch. Unlike some other reviewers, I really don't notice the avalung tube and vent on the shoulder. Totally worth the price!
Where can I find instruction on how to load skis or a snowboard into this (I have both). I'm not sure I'm doing it right. Also what's the extra strap for?
I just bough this pack and tested it out in about a foot of Sierra Powder. The pack fits great thanks to the various strap adjustments and was very comfortable on my shoulders. This pack works great for a day at the resort, the avalung stays hidden and safe in your shoulder strap and the pack is not so bulky that you are falling off the lift (even with three jackets inside). In the backcountry is where this pack really shines though. When you are hiking the pack distributes the weight of the skis very nicely and can hold some pretty wide skis (121 at the binding). When skiing the pack does not hamper you at all even on some pretty steep descents.
The tech specs says no ice axe loop, but the picture does have a loop. Is there any reason this couldn't be used for an ice axe? Would this be a reason to go with the covert if you think you may ever want to take the pack climbing?
I bought this pack for the Avalung and because I'm a gear nerd. I bought it without much consideration for any other feature. Fortunately, Black Diamond did take the time to think this pack through thoroughly so that I didn't have to. You're probably already familiar with the Avalung- you screw up big time and get buried, you get to breath clean oxygen and hang out while your buddies dig out your lame ass. I always ride with a pack in the back country so it seemed appropriate to purchase a pack with the Avalung built in. One of my favorite features of this pack is that your avalanche gear stores in a separate compartment from everything else. Open one zipper and you have instant, organized access to your shovel, probe, saw, and whatever else you hauled up the hill to get ya out of trouble. I can see this as being a real time saver in an emergency. The main compartment has plenty of room to haul a day's worth of gear and can be accessed from from the back panel as well which is nice if you have things strapped to the back that you don't want to disrupt. My only gripe with this pack is that the only option for carrying your board is vertical. There are times when the horizontal carry method works much better, like when you're on a snowmobile. It's a minor complaint though and overall the pack is very comfortable and well thought out.
They are mostly the same. One has shovel pocket, ice ax loops, other does not. Covert has a smaller size available also. Look at tech specs on both pages and decide.The Outlaw excels at carrying just about anything (snowboard, snowshoes, skis). The Covert is great for skis but only ok for other stuff. Also, The Outlaw has a big zippered access on the backpanel for getting to stuff without taking your board off the front.
I bought the Covert 32L and love the backpack but have found the strap with the air intake to be very uncombortable on my shoulder, digs in quite a bit. Has anyone else had this problem? Will it just break in eventually or should I try to exchange it?
I recently ordered an Osprey Switch 26 from BC.com to find out the pack length was just a tad too small. The hip belt didn't reach my hips properly by about two inches. Which size of the BD Outlaw would be the best proper fit?
It's more important to choose the right size pack using the torso length measurement. To find your torso length, measure your back along the spine from the the top point of your hipbones to the knobby bone at the base of your neck. This will give you a measurement in inches that will determine the correct pack size. I would use the aforementioned procedure & find your correct size.
This is a good pack. Plenty of room for shovel, spare clothing and the avalung is essential. Carried skies quite well when hiking. One shortfall is the size of the bladder pouch- its too small (short) for a 3ltr camelbak. I have another smaller pack that accommodates this quite easily. The insulated sleeve for the camelbak tube is also a good feature.
anyone know if the blue scuba tube thing is removable when i'm not in avalanch teritory? I like the pack but don't want that thing sticking out all the time.
The tube tucks away inside the shoulder strap zipper pocket when not in use. You don't notice it when zipped up. It is a sweet pack, I just got one.my edit: on the Covert model the removal of the tube was possible and this backpack seems very simillar.
did a few day tours with it and it worked awesome, for sure nothing I would take on a multi day tour but perfect for a dawn to dusk type trip. My camel back fit in the bladder pouch fine and had good access to my avy gear and skins.I didnt use the zipper on the back side of the pack but seems like it could come in handy if I pack my board. Overall was stoked on it as a day pack
I used it to carry a board last weekend, it was decent, though my right leg was brushing against the board with every step. It wasn't terribly annoying, but it was weird that it was only one leg. The board didn't constantly bonk my head, like with my last pack.
I haven't tried to carry a snowboard but the function looks good. There is some reinforcing material under the flaps to protect the pack from snowboard base edges.
This is a good one. Used it many times this winter. Functional, not too big, not too small. Hip-belt pockets are great for cameras, inhalers, etc. Has room for extra layers, big lunch, skins, goggle box, firstaid, leatherman... and all your usual avy gear. Only down side is the pouch for the water bladder is a little small.
i finally got to use mine the other day and i really like how well it cinches down to your back so it is easy to ski with, the avalung is also very convenient, i might even have it out if i thought i could fall in a tree well or need a snorkel because the snow is too deep.
this is a great pack, however you can feel the avalung on the left shoulder, not a huge deal since it can possibly save your life, but at the same time you know it is there. perfect size, and super comfy (other than the avalung). avy pocket fits shovel and probe perfectly. holds everything i need for a day in the backcountry.
Going on my second season of heavy usage with this pack. Only one tiny rip that I think is from my catching a tree at mach 10. Really durable and awesome all around pack. It's a good size, but everything is compacted really well and can fit anything you need for a one or two day trip.
Have had about 40 days in the backcountry on this pack and it has faired me well and beyond for my needs. Fits a little small but awesome when skiing and very comfortable. Back pads are real nice when taking an impact directly backflopping.
All in all if you are a jibber or a charger, you will love this pack and who can't love the avalung feature.
The one part of this pack that really sells it for me is the front access. It has a zipper right where the pack rests on your back so all you have to do more...