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The Black Diamond 02 Telemark Bindings provide the power and control that hard-charging tele skiers need to push the limits. Under-foot compression springs create a progressive flex that makes the O2 Telemark Bindings a great choice for driving big sticks. Black Diamond designed them with a solid heel wire to increase torsional stability for snappy edge-to-edge transitions. The O2 Bindings have what it takes to launch a massive cornice or power some fatty planks in funky, beat up snow.
Bottom Line: Go fast, go big, go for the Black Diamond 02 Telemark Bindings.
I'll start by saying that I really do dig these bindings- they've taken me many cool places, and performed in some sticky situations. I have two pairs of these that I've been on for the past 4-5 years, in both Big Mountain and Park skiing. I've had to pick up the small cartridges for both (if you do this, make sure they give you the smaller housing as well, or else they'll still be loose if you have a small boot). But yes- they tend to loosen themselves when you ski, so you are constantly having to tighten them up. They recently came out with newer cartridges that supposedly helped fix this issue- I haven't tried any of the recent models, so I can't say for sure. They also recommend throwing on a piece of tape to decrease the chance of them loosening up when skiing. Overall, even though it's a bit of a pain having to make sure that your bindings are tightened up at the beginning of each day, I still love the 02s. They're great for charging, throwing down in the park, and just having a good time!
I had a pair of these on some park skis with Ridiculous stiff cartridges. I skied low angle groomers all day and couldn't get them to respond well at all. The cartridges kept coming loose, so I'd have to take the skis off and mess with that all the time. Plus, I couldn't get them to carve hard or make snappy switch moves, or stomp a landing without a beaver tail smack. Rocker launch and lateral movement are not things I look for in a telemark binding. Long story short, I put some Hammerheads on them, and that made a night and day difference. Thank god I managed to sell the 02's for $60. Screw BD, too, for being a giant company that's suing 22 Designs over a Bull $#%! patent. If they made a quality binding, I'd maybe side with them, but they're just pissed because the Axl is so far superior!
I also spend half of my day messing around with the cartridges in an attempt to make them tighter and more snappy. And you're right. Even on low angle groomers they suck.
has anyone heard about compatibility issues between the 02 binding and the t-race boot? i used the two together and after the first day there was large indentations on the t-race duckbills from the 02 toe piece.
Ive been skiing the O2 for years with T-races yes the steel cuts in but it has yet to effect anything, I would not get NTN, I thought that they would be a good idea, Broke on my first day out on them, Utter Crap!
That tends to happen when you press p-bex into steel repeatedly. Won't affect anything, but hey, you might as well get some Hammerheads or Axls, just 'cause they're better and might not leave imprints in the toe. Or get NTN's. I wouldn't worry about it, though. That's just how it is.
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Yes. BD and G3, along with Voile and Rottefella (cobras) all work on the same "standard four hole mounting pattern." Do yourself a favor, though, and go for some Hammerheads. Different mounting pattern, but such a better binding! 02's will be an improvement over your Targas, though. Enjoy!
If you buy these and don't turn love teleing way more as a result, you might as well just throw in the towel and get a binding that nails your heel to the ski. These bindings have the smoothest flex of any bindings I have used, from Hammerheads to G3s to Bishops. As a matter of fact, every person on the telemark team at my school has O2s, and we didn't even plan it. They're just the best. The cartridges don't catch on your boot when you're putting them on or taking them off, they're underneath so they don't scrape in hard carving turns, they keep you stable in crud and floaty in powder. When you tear by those silly alpiners (and Marko the great here), dropping the knee and flashing those gunmetal gray cartridges under your boot with every turn, they'll know they just got beat by the best.
Bah! Even with Rid stiff cartridges these suck. I don't know how you could say they are better than hammerheads or bishops. Better than G3's or Voile's, but barely.
I am having the same problem a couple of other people have had with these bindings. They are releasing and loosening as I ski them. I am an intermediate, skiing moderate to BD runs. I keep having to stop and tighten the springs. Mid Stiffs, Medium size, Size 9.5 Garmont boots. Any thoughts on this? Thanks
Geoff, The problem with loosening originates from not having your bindings tight enough in the first place. Make sure that when you attach the heel piece (with your heel all the way down) so that 5 to 10mm of the inner arm of the cartridge is visible beyond the cartridge housing. This tension is known as pre-load, and it locks the threads in the cartridge keeping the bindings from loosening as you ski. The instructions are available here: http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/uploads/black-diamond/files/MM5849_D%20O2%20IS_WEB.pdf
Wrap a piece of duct tape around both of the springs, keeping the springs apart, but not moving independently. Once some moisture gets in the springs, they'll stay put. Your best option would be to sell those 02's, and get some Hammerheads, though. Much, much better binding.
I have put in a solid 200+ days of hard teleing on the O2s with rid stiff cartridges, and I would not recommend them to any of my friends. While they are indeed adequately stiff for driving a pair of 186 karhus through any snow I could think of, the flex is very unnatural, and I have broken 5 heel pieces. The flex problem originates from the location of the springs, and results in a very stiff initial flex, followed by a less active low stroke. This basically means that it becomes difficult to initiate a turn that becomes progressively less stable as your stance lowers. A subtle detail, and perhaps a personal peeve, but give these bindings a demo before you purchase. Also, due to some structural flaw, The heel pieces are exceptionally prone to snapping. Usually they fail right above the clamp, which is more frustrating than anything, but none the less, an obstacle, especially at the beginning of a day, or the top of a hike. I hate to say it, because I really like BD gear, but there are much better binding options.
Will these bindings release in a bad crash? I demoed a pair of another brand where the cables ran along side the boot, and when I crashed bad, they released. (I liked that to save my knees) With the cables under your foot, will they stay on better?
These are non-releasable bindings. We carry a couple of pairs of releasable tele bindings: http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Voile-Hardwire-3-Pin-CRB-Telemark-Binding/VOL0080M.html http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Garmont-7tm-Power-Tour-Releasable-Telemark-Ski-Binding/GAR0159M.html
Nothing standout about the O2 for me. It gets the job done. I have a pair of O1's and they seem to have a slightly different pivot point. Even after adding plumbers tape to the threads and properly preloading, my cartridges just spin loose all the time. The binding feels sloppy on hardpack. It's a fine binding and all, but there are better choices for your standard telemark binding. A lot of it is preference. I have friends that love the O2, but I am not crazy about mine. The BD warranty is pretty good though. Cracked a heel throw and they just gave me a new free one.
i have size 26 t1s, and i've skiied on the following: small cartridge+small wire, large cartridge+large wire, small cartridge+large wire. so long as the crossbar doesn't interfere with the heel riser, size 26 is smack in the middle of bd's binding part offerings. it does mean you're at the largest part of the smalls or the smallest part of the larges, but it works.
I used to hijack my dad's old Rivas until I got sick of too little tension and a few too many nosedives. Picked up a pair of O2s and while they took a little breaking in and are definitely heavier they get the job done. They flex evenly with my garmont boots and I've never had any problems. The weight doesn't bother me either and I have no problem touring. I see guys on the O1s but I'd rather have a little tougher climb with fewer mechanical problems if you know what I mean
I got a pair of regular O2s as a gift but need to exchange for a size small. Can I just get a new pair of small cartridges or do I have to get the entire binding in a small? Thanks
hey norm... sounds like either your boot was too small for the cartridge (they make smaller cartridges for folks with small feet) or you had a broken pair. i have had a couple pairs of these now and nothing even remotely like that has EVER happened to me, or any of the number of people i ski with who use them. i'm a BIG guy and there isn't another binding i trust more to get me down an icy 60 degree chute or skinning up a knife ridge in a "no fall" zone than these O2's. i'm afraid your one day on borrowed gear doesn't qualify you as a reliable source and is misleading to other people looking for quality gear.
ever seen the snow that sticks to the mountains in the andes? it sticks to damn near vertical surfaces. You can ski 60 degree slopes, just watch doug coombs ski. hell the entrance to upper international is over 40 degrees and that is an inbounds run. if i had to guess id say i've made a few turns on 50+ degrees slopes. i'm not sure where you get your info but you must ski in the midwest and have never seen a ski movie
No kidding, Robert. You're not a physicist. Alaska has terrain that holds snow on near vertical lines. Ever seen a modern ski movie? Check out Claim, In Deep, or RE:Session, or any other new ski flick and watch them ski lines that are over 45 degrees.
I agree, O2's are one of the more reliable bindings. As for your comment about skiing icy 60 degree chutes, you're either bad at estimating slope angles or you should go pro.
# Standard size fits boot sole lengths over 315 mm # Small size fits boot sole lengths under 315 mm. Not sure exactly how the TJ measures at a size 25, but you can just take a tape measure and do it yourself. Those boots will fit the O2s, but I'd get the free-flex cartridges, as the bellows on the TJs are very soft, and the O2 is capable of overpowering soft boots.
The O2 is a decent binding for the resort but there are better options such as the twenty two designs hammerhead. The need to constantly retighten the cartridges constantly is a little annoying. Also these binding are horrible for touring but that is not what theses bindings are ment for. I recently sold mine because of the lack of touring capability. On the good side these binding have nice action and are very smooth.
I bought these and mounted them on my K2's with the intention of having a great all mountain set up. These bindings were a waste of money. They are constantly loosening up and I have to crank them down every time I ski. They were supposed to be the mid-stiff but not as nearly as much as advertised. For the cherry on the sundae I was skiing at Keystone and my binding loosened up again allowing my boot to pop out and off my ski goes, on a adventure never to be seem from again. Try Hammerheads or G3's much better deal.
I am interested in the BDiamond O2 however I demo'd it this past winter and had issues with the small cartridge. I am a woman with a size 7 foot (5 mens) and so I have to use the small cartridges. When I try to drop a knee the small cartridge is either bottoming out or it is catching on my boot which limits how far I can drop down. I am an agressive skier so the first time it stopped my motion it caused my heal to yank up from the bottom of the boot which was a bit painful. Has anyone else had this problem.
I would get the G3 Ascent but I already have a pair of those and the pivot switch ices up and heal lift falls when I am climbing.
Not quite sure what you mean by "catching on your boot"... As for the cartridges bottoming out, O1 and O2 cartridges reach their spring limit because over over-tightening. You might have them cranked down too tight. When BD says that only 5-10mms of metal should be showing outside of the cartridge, they mean it. In my experience, aggressive knee-droppers barely want any metal to be showing when clipping them on. With your foot size, the smaller cartridges should be right for you, so try loosening them up. If you feel like the resistance isn't enough, buy the Rid-Stiffs, and if that isn't enough for you, you should get a pair of Hammerheads.
These were the first pair of tele bindings I ever used. They were adequate for the job. Most people will be perfectly happy with them, yes they have a couple of flaws, a little duct tape, or locktite fixes that.
I am trying to figure out whether to buy the O1 or the O2 and which size. I mainly ski at the area but will be touring about 1 out of every 7 days or so. I am not too aggressive with my turns. I'm 120 lbs and my boot size is 24.5. I just bought the BD Joule (my first fat skis!) and want some bindings to go on these for powder days. I have the She's piste with G3's right now and love them. I don't know if I need the O1's or if the O2's will work for me. Thanks for the help!
If you're willing to spend a little more, the O1 is the binding for you. Even if you don't tour that much, having free pivot at your fingertips (or your pole-tips) is incredibly convenient. The instant you start on the uphill you'll know why it was worth the money.
Um, I'm sorry but who wrote the product description for these? I'm guessing Black Diamond because it couldn't be more wrong. "The O2 Bindings have what it takes to launch a massive cornice or power some fatty planks in funky, beat up snow." These bindings can't even handle my Karhu Team 100's (100mm underfoot). I have the rid stiff cartridges on them and they are still far from being "tight" or responsive. Very loose and sloppy when skiing pow, steep lines, and choppy conditions. On top of that, they "squeak" on every turn,(a sound that I am pretty sure comes from the boot sole rubbing on the plate, and definitely not from the cartridges, which are brand new). There's a reason pro tele guys, like the boys from Powderwhores, are riding Hammerheads, Axles, or NTN setups. Sorry for the harsh review BD but you should be sued for false advertising. Your bindings suck
Ironically BD sponsors powderwhores... and some of the crew ski on O1's. Just sayin... In my opinion getting caught up in the gear is a waste. Have a good time no matter what you're on
Im debating whether to get these w/rediculously stiff or the hammerheads. i only do around 2 huts trips a year so i care mostly about the downhill. im an advanced and agressive telemarker. anything helps thanks.
First of all, don't buy the O2s, they are neither powerful, nor good for touring. I agree with Bud, I have both HHs and O1s and the HHs kill it on the downhill. If you're touring all the time, O1s are a great choice, but for aggressive resort tele skiing the Hammerheads are the one you want...
I have both the Hammerheads and the O1's with rid stiffs. The Hammerheads absolutely kill the O1's. Plus the Hammerheads will tour better than the O2's if you move the pins. Definitely go for the Hammerheads.
I bought these bindings with high expectations. They lived up to everything and more. Beautiful for just gliding down the mountain or stomping a hard landing
I bought new K2 Work Stinx and was thinking of putting these bindings on them. What does it take to put them on, do they match up with the predrilled inserts.
Putting epoxy in the screws won't do anything. If they're going to rip out, they're going to rip out. All your going to do by putting epoxy in there is to make sure the bindings don't come out with a screwdriver either. NEVER use epoxy when mounting skis. BD says use wood glue. Titebond is enough. I realize this is probably too late to help you, but if anyone else sees this, DON'T USE EPOXY!
Hey Gary, do remember that if you are using stiffer cartridges and stiffer boots with these (like t-races or customs), to epoxy the screw holes. The four-screw pattern plus the underfoot cable system puts a tremendous amount of torque on the back two screws which can rip them out of your skis. My O1s (which have the same screw pattern) ripped the inserts OUT of my K2 Anti-Pistes, so make sure to tell the shop to epoxy the crap out of the insert holes...
These fit the K2 inserts perfectly, I've skied Hippy Stinx, Piste Pipes, Super Stinx, World Pistes, and Work Stinx all with O2s and they've all been bomber.
The BD O2 is a great stable binding for the resort. I like the fill of it and the stability that it provides. I'm riding them with Scarpa T2x which is great for the resort but not so hot for touring. If you need touring capabilities go with the 01 or perhaps the Voile Hardwires. One thing that bugs me about the binding is that the cartridges rotate throughout the day. I have to twist them every now and again to keep the flex stiff. All in all, I'm a BD person and think they make great high quality gear.
i have a pair of black diamond 02 binding mounted on some piste pipes and they are not mounted where i want them can you tell me how to center mount these bindings?
If it's the Piste Pipe with the inserts, then you want to mount the front of the toe piece in the forward-most holes on the ski. Then mount the heel piece wherever your boot needs it. If the Piste Pipes don't have inserts, you'll have to get them mid-mounted in the shop.
I've ridden this binding for the past year and a half and initially liked it a lot. As time has gone on I would not recommend this binding since there are better options out there. I think it performs ok but you have to constantly re-screw the cartridges which leads to inconsistent performance. At times I've had to change this mid run because it loosened so much and locktite and thread tapes never helped long. Kind of frustrating when every other binding I've used is a set it and forget it deal.
These have been awesome bindings over the past 2 seasons. I got laid off from my job 1 month ago, and the skiing here in VT has been pretty good, so I've been skiing 4-6 days/week instead of 1-2 days/week. (Poor me, right?.) I mostly do backcountry, and my O2's have developed the following problem: When I reach the top of the ascent and de-skin, etc., the barrels (springs) are frozen and won't spin so I can tighten them. As soon as the skis get inside for a few minutes, the problem goes away, so it must be water getting inside the springs and freezing on the threads. One night of drying out inside/WD40 doesn't seem to help. Otherwise, the bindings work fine.
That has always been a problem with these bindings, though changing it would sacrifice durability and simplicity of design. I've found that I can usually warm them up with my hands enough to unstick them, or if it's too cold for that, then flexing up and down a lot (at the risk of looking like an idiot) usually loosens them up.-----My old targas used to do the same thing, I would carry a handwarmer with me and unfreeze the cartridges with it...
I have had the bindings rip out twice. The first time it happended I thought install error and had another dealer remount them onty to have them tear out again. I recently have been discussing this with different shops and pin heads I meet and am finding that it happens very often. I would be interested in knowing if other people have had this issue.
Yep. Rip outs are on the catastrophic side of the problems I've had with BD bindings. The six hole mounting pattern on 22 Designs bindings is a lot stronger, as are the Hammerhead and Axl bindings, themselves. Make the switch and you'll be happy.
I have an old pair of Riva bindings. The kind with a cable with a 1/4 inch thread on the outside end and a tapered cable itself on the inside end which goes through a screw/nut. The cable wrapps around the ski tip end of a 3 pin plate. The binding is latched down on the outside heel near the "spring" piece which wraps around the heel. These have been very dependable bindings. I snapped the cable piece the other day. I am looking for several replacement cables. Size 9-10. Where can I find these or other cables which I can make work?
Have been riding my boards with these bindings for 3 years now. They are a great binding, easily adjusted, quick and responsive. I have not experienced any tip dive with these. The under foot cable routing assures no issues with catching on whatever may be there. Whether it be a hard charging powder day, or a fast groomer, these bindings connect well.
I have a pair of Black Diamond O1 bindings that i got from a friend. What i FORGOT was that he's a small guy so he had a small sized boot and thus, ordered small O1 Bindings. What I want to know is if you all think I can get a backcountry kit for either the O1 or O2 so i can swap out my current small heel-throws for the regular size and call it good. What do you guys think?
You just need longer cartridges. Here you go.http://www.backcountry.com/store/BLD0934/Black-Diamond-O1-O2-O3-Cartridges.htmlDon't get anything with S in the name (e.g. MidStiff S). To swap them out, use a screwdriver to pry the small metal piece that holds the cables together away from the toe piece of the binding. Then the whole heel throw, cartridges, and cables will pull out together. Then you just unscrew the cartridges and replace them. Don't even need tools. It's a 30-minute job. Good luck.
I've skiied with these on my Havocs for a season now, with mid-stiff cartridges, and I wasn't very impressed. They transfer power okay but nothing even close to the responsiveness of a Hammerhead (or Bishop Bomber, for that matter).
They also came undone quite often, even when I tightened them down like crazy (on size 28 Garmont Ener-G boots).
And, unlike Hammerheads or 01s, they suck at touring.
Nope, that won't work. Too small. Chances are if your feet are small enough for small cartridges, you're light enough not to need Rid Stiffs. Midstiff Smalls should be fine.
I started with the ridiculously stiff springs and they are really tuff to ski with. you really have to drive your knee down hard. if youre going to be skiing only the hard pack then they will work great but if you want more versatility go with the mid stiffs
Alright one more question... I wear a size 8.5 - 9 shoe and I'm about ready to purchase a pair of tele boots... What size binding should I purchase, regular or small??? Thanks for your help
I started tele-skiing on old 3-pin mountaineering bindings and Ranney Super-Loops. Moved up to the G3 Targa when they came out. I have been on these for 3 years now and could not be happier. These were a great step forward from my previous bindings and I immediately saw an improvement in my control at speed and when turning in the steeper terrain. Depending on what your boot/ski combination is (especially if you are on fat skis w/big boots), you might want to spring for the rid-stiff cartridges.
Mounted in 2 pairs of skis (BD Havoc and Volkl Karma). Rid Stiff cartridges were awesome! I ski very agressively and they never pulled out of skis and had great feel. They do need constant adjusting and tend to freeze such that you can't adjust and have to bring inside to thaw to adjust again.. but that was never critical, just an annoyance. The duct tape trick sounds like it should be effective.I'd recomend, but not for touring.. just on lift served. Get the 01 for touring.. just as great but have touring mode
The under-boot cartridges make for a much smoother power curve as you drop into a turn, let you carve harder, and grip the boot better. All around better binding, unless you're a very non-aggressive skier or do a lot of backcountry stuff.
These are my favorite resort bindings; I've skied on the R8s, HH, and Targas previously. You can't beat the power and the smooth flex. The mid stiff cartridge is more than enough for the average knee dropper. If you want serious power, step up to the rid stiff cartridges. I'm currently running rid stiffs on my BD Machines and K2 Piste Pipes and wouldn't consider switching to a different binding. The only reason I gave them only 4 stars is because they are resort specific. I made the mistake of skinning with them and it will never happen again. If you are going to be doing any serious back country skiing do yourself a favor and spend a little more for the BD 01 bindings. Also, if youre flying to a ski destination the cartridges have a nasty habit of loosening up on the flight.
I have a pair of black diamond o2 bindings and want to mount the onto a pair of rossignol scratch bc but not to sure how. There are three different mount lines on the ski. First is addicted then modern then standard. Any help on where to mount would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for you time. Josh
I have been on these bindings for three years now and love them. I like the pivot point on these bindings way better than the Hammerheads. I currently have the rid-stiff springs on a pair of 188 LIB TECH Freerides and it is a great in-bounds setup. I don't use these ski's or bindings for my hiking setup. I have a lot of preload on the springs and haven't had a problem with springs coming loose. I know if you don't have the BD compression spring cartridges tight they do tend to give you problems...but then so would my pair of Rottefella Hot Chilis back in the day.
How tight should the barrels be?As a gauge I'm looking at how much space there is between the boot heel and the binding heel plate when sitting on a lift and the ski tail is unsupported. Is this a good way to judge?
That's a decent gauge. Mine hang about 2 inches, but obviously it depends on the stiffness of the cartridge. When your standing flat, snap the bindings on. They should be tight enough where the heel throw doesn't wiggle at all, especially away from the boot. Jiggle it with your hands and if it moves, tighten them.------------When your boot is strapped into the binding the silver sleeves should be sticking out 5-10 mm.
The 02 performs quite well. I have a pair mounted on the BD Crossbow ski, and they work great, very solid, make you feel like you're in control. The other day, however, I was clipping in to go skiing, and the throw piece on the back (the part that you flip up onto the back of your boot) goes ca-chink! and busts in half. Big pain in the neck. Anyway, I went and got the G3 TourThrow part, and it fits on there just fine, and the binding still works great, plus I have the TourThrow upgrade. Apart from this minor setback, the O2 is rock-solid.
Yeah, I've broken two heel throws in 5 years of using 2 pairs of O2 bindings. I carry an extra one with me in the backcountry. Good news is that is the only part that is likely to break, and it weighs nothing. And Black Diamond customer support is phenomenal.
Just got off the phone with Black Diamond Customer Support and they are sending me a heel throw to replace the one that recently snapped. All breezy easy. BD curteousy is superb! As for the O2 binding, I dig them - the rid-stiff snap and smooth torquey flex. Got 'em three (?) years ago on Crossbow skis and I stick Scarpa T1 - black with yellow guards in 'em. I'm 190lbs, 5'10", ski Maine resorts (Shawnee Peak regularly and Sunday River when I can), groomers, bumps, crud, ice, thick and near UT-like powder once a decade, whatever, 30-35 mostly 1/2 days per season. With this setup, still smilin', grinnin' like Cheshire Cat actually - snapped throw and all. Forget "responsiveness," everything on my feet and legs acts as if part of me, I wait on nothing. Great gear, great setup!
After my first day on these ripping groomers and knee deep pow in the backcountry, i have to say i prefer these much more than my targas. they have a smooth even flex to them that is just awesome. i have the mid stiff, regulars mounted on 179 cm k2 obsetheds and i makes for a great (and pretty light) powder set up. I did pop out of my right ski twice, but i believe its because i did not have them tight enough as the left one feels tighter when i pop in.
My other O2 are mid Stiff but those Ridicul. Stiff are the one I needed with a hard ski and need power to deliver what we are expecting from them. Go aggressive and you'll like them.
I'm coming from rottefella R8's, so I just wanted to know if there was a recommendation of which cartridge to go with that would be comparable to the R8's. Thanks.
I have had two pairs, and they have performed well. The old style need to have lock tite on the threads so the round nuts at the front of the barrels do not come loose, The newer style do have to be tightened occasionally. I have been skiing at Taos for over 300 days with the combination of the two bindings on pretty big skiis. Mostly bumps, powder, and steep shutes,ie; (in area). I have not had a failure of the bindings and really like the way they pull from under the sole of your boot rather than the side. I could see increased stress on the heel piece if you tend to bend your rear boot to 90 degrees. All-in-all, they have worked really well.
Got the midstiff on the black diamond kilowatts, and really enjoyed them. My previous bindings have always been Rottefella (most recently the 412), but I much prefer the O2. Really felt like I was one with the skis. Only negative is that I had to tighten the bindings after going hard for a while.. so 4.5 stars really..
hi again, thanks for your answer about the BD '02. Here are my stats....maybe you can help some more if you're up for it? 130 lb. 5'8" female, skiing the K2 She's Piste 160mm. Size 10 womens Scarpa T2(?) (the blue one) boot. Timid on bumps and real steep stuff, love fast intermediate slopes. Decent at linking turns, decent at paralleling when my quads are burning. love back country climbing and slopes.Sounds like it's down to Freeflex or midstiff regulars. Thanks for any advice.
So it sounds like you're not on an especially aggressive setup (nice gear though), but you're not into crazy aggressive terrain either. I'd say you should get the Midstiff regulars, and then if they feel too sloppy, like it's all you pushing up out of the turn and the bindings aren't helping at all, upgrade to Rid Stiffs. Backcountry will let you return the old ones and shipping will be free on the new ones, all you'd have to pay for is to ship the old ones back. Probably a week turnover. If you do feel like pushing bumps and steeper terrain, I'd highly recommend Rid Stiffs. And kneepads, actually. I have the BD Telekneesis and they've saved me from many a rock (and my own skis).
I'm not getting the difference between the freeflex and the midstiff '02. I tele at areas and in the backcountry. I also don't know what the "R" and "S" stand for as options on these bindings. Help. k
The Midstiff is a fair bit stiffer than the Freeflex, and the Ridiculously Stiff is even stiffer. It really depends on your skill level. If you are just starting out teleing and don't have fancy boots or anything, go for Midstiffs. If the above is true and you weigh less than 120, go for Freeflex. I am 5'9", 145 lbs, I ski really hard (used to race) on pretty fat, 169 cm skis, and I have Scarpa T1s (very stiff boots) and the Rid Stiffs are awesome. The stiffer the binding, the harder you're going to have to ski them to get all the way down into your turn, but you'll be able to link turns much faster (hence racing). Less stiff bindings will be easier to drop into without being crazy aggressive, easier to hike in, but more strenuous for long days because they won't kick you back up as much. They'll also be easier to ski powder in because you won't have to balance your weight as carefully. The R and S refer to the length of the cartridges. I have a size 10 foot (don't know what boot length that is) and my ski shop accidentally put smalls on and I couldn't turn at all because the bindings got maxed out. Unless you have absurdly small feet, the R's will adjust small enough. Hope that helps. If you want more specific advice for your height/weight/setup, feel free to post another question and I can tell you exactly what to get.
These are the only bindings I've ever skied on so I can't compare to other options. They've worked great for me (purchased as a beginner, progressed to intermediate) and definitely feel secure and solid.
HOWEVER, they loosen up over the course of the day. If you don't retighten they will eventually come completely apart, the wire slowly twists out of the cartridge. I've had some pretty spectacular spills when I've gone down for a turn only to discover that a binding was no longer attached to one ski.
i have had these binding for three years and i think that they are great. weather i'm skiing virgin powder or doing laps in the park they always work great.
i have skied with these bindings twice on rental skis the second time was with BD crossbows during a powder day at Telluride (I wear Garmont Gara boots). over the course of the day one ski or the other came off 7 times. It didn't matter how hard i tightened them. At one point I was cruising through knee deep Colorado powder and was suddenly dragging an anchor. Turned an epic day into hell. At the end of the day as an experiment I put the ski on on the flats, and with the strength of my ankle only, I could twist my foot out of the binding. They just didn't have enough lateral stability. I use G3 Targas on my skis and after 200+ days of skiing I have only lost a ski once (during a spectacular crash at Silverton).
This was so nice to use with the Ethic. I love the cartridges underneath the boot so you're not banging them around. Great response, it is so snappy. Definitely a good all-around binding. It is a lot faster getting in and out rather then this big fiasco at the top of your hike.
needed to mount up a pair shorts with rid stiff cartridges and it turns out that it isn't possible, Heard right from the horses mouth from the guys at BD. The cartridge is too big and you won't be able to get them tight enough to snap the heel piece on. This is for a scarpa t2 25.5 size boot :(
I bought the Scarpa T1's and these bindings and I didn't make a tele turn all season. I don't think I even tried. I skied alpine style in this set up, banging out the moguls and steeps like my heel was locked in. Fun fun times. I think other people should conserve energy and stop lunging down the mountain like me. Sure it looks fancy, but what the heck? Get this set up, boots included, and bomb away.
I'll start by saying that I really do dig these bindings- they've taken me many cool places, and performed in some sticky situations. I have two more...
I had a pair of these on some park skis with Ridiculous stiff cartridges. I skied low angle groomers all day and couldn't get them to respond well more...