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The Guide Glove, Black Diamond's warmest glove, is the ultimate choice for climbing and skiing in cold regions like Alaska. Made with four-way stretch Schoeller and a Gore-Tex XCR liner, the Guide Glove is form fitting and totally waterproof. A full gauntlet and PrimaLoft insulation keep your hands warm when your water bottles are frozen solid. Because gloves take a beating in the mountains, Black Diamond gave the Guide Glove a Pittards goatskin leather palm and capped fingers with Kevlar-reinforced stitching. Not only does this add years to your glove's life, it also provides excellent grip on a frozen ice axe.
Bottom Line: Serious warmth for seriously cold conditions.
I'm constantly changing over from skinning to skiing to filming and my hands get exposed and cold. It's nice to throw the Guides on and know my hands will warm right up. They have been my glove of choice for the past 2 seasons on the local slopes and distant expeditions. The long gauntlet style keeps the snow out and the leather gives good grip on poles, rock, rope and whatever I can get my hands on.
Whoa! A review from a few of the PW boys! Considering what y'all must put the gloves through, that's a strong endorsement. I'm looking to replace some Marmot gloves that have seen too many seasons; seems like the BD Guides would be an excellent choice.
The guide is my cold weather glove of choice. Still has reasonable dexterity considering how nicely insulated they are. Great everyday glove for people who normally get cold fingers. I generally have warm hands so these can be hot on warm spring days. The large gauntlet keeps all the fluffy white stuff out even on the deepest days.
Rick_Samon gives great advice but I just want it to add- if you just need the warmth and no functionality of the out of the gloves then the inserts work just fine. They come out no problem, easy for just walking from the parking lot to the trail head or similar. Walk around the block with the wife works too.
Not really Brennan. It Primaloft with some thin nylon on the outside, and not form fitting at all. Wearing just the liners would be sloppy, likely move around, almost certain to get snow in by the wrist, and the thin nylon shell could get soaked and into the Primaloft. They really didn't design these gloves with that application in mind.
Often on a technical mountain climb (i.e. an alpine ice climb), I'll often bring some thin fleece gloves, my OR ExtraVert leather gloves, and just the shell of the BD Guides (leave the liner at home). On warm, non-technical approaches, I can wear the thin fleece gloves. I climb with the ORs when I need dexterity (i.e. setting/removing screws on steep ice) and put the BD Guide shells on (it's nice that they fit over fairly thick gloves like the ExtraVerts) when on lower grade terrain and my hands are on the ice/snow a lot and susceptible to getting wet - for example, if I am low/high daggering a lot. And I don't leave home without my mitts.
If it's a less technical climb, like a glacial slog, I'll maybe bring my thin fleece gloves, the entire BD Guide glove (liner and shell), and my mitts. When warm, I'll use just the thin fleece. When colder, will use the fleece + the BD Guide shells. When much colder, will remove the fleece liner and use the entire BD Guide gloves, and when super cold, will switch to mitts.
Maybe more info than you needed and certainly lots based on my own preference, but I hope it helps nonetheless. :)
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The guide gloves are tough to beat.. bottom line. Despite being outside much of the winter and spring my fingers get cold. The Guide Gloves do the trick for me when it comes to warmth and even though they may feel bulky or stiff out of the bag they actually break in real nice and even seem to mold to your hand after a couple weeks of use. Durability wise they will easily last you a few seasons or more, so at that price they become very worthwhile. I take these gloves to Denali with me... and that pretty much sums it up!
These will give you just as much dexterity and probably be a little warmer. I think both companies are good but that this might be a slightly burlier glove. If you have a size S hand, then I'd go for the OR for the price difference alone. You can always return them if they don't work out as backcountry is awesome about that kind of stuff!
The BD Guide excels over other gloves for a few reasons people typically overlook. 1) The articulated fingers mean that gripping poles and tools feel nimble and secure- so your fingers are warm without fighting the fabrics. 2) The removable liner dries quickly- for me, this means overnight in my sleeping bag- so they are not blocks of ice the next day. 3) They withstand rope work very well, including expedition use and rappelling on thin ropes- and the leather palms are super durable and can sill grip frozen lines. Warmth, high performance, durable, and quick drying. Perfect.
I agree the leather is nice and would be ok for rappelling , But the fingers being used for anything as you say articulate I don't agree they are huge and fat . They glove liners do not hold the heat in . I have tested these gloves over 10 times in high winds and temps under 20 they are a joke. I had to leave a expedition do to my hands going numb. They are well constructed with great leather they are way over priced and marked way out of their depth as a extreme glove! The hestra heli glove is half the price and bow these away in extreme temps. The fingers are also alot more contoured for ropes and ascenders . Try them you will return the guides. Maybe bd will some day add a cord lease !!! guess they figure when take your glove comes off and the wins take it or you loose it in the snow you can just deal!
Seem oretty cosy to me. Take a wee while to break in for fit as the looser bits of wool pile fall out.
Out of interest - it seems the XCR gore-tex layer is in the liner, not the shell as folk seem to assume (communication from BD europe rep), so the shell with separate fleece liners won't be waterproof.
I just picked up a pair of these a couple weeks ago. Actually, the leather on the palm of the glove is NOT backed by gore-tex; only the back of the hand is, as well as the rest of the glove. Thus, when the water repellent on the leather wears off the palm, water will soak through. I'd definitely recommend treating the palm in particular with one of the previously mentioned waterproofing treatments.
I just picked up a pair of these a couple weeks ago. Actually, the leather on the palm of the glove is NOT backed by gore-tex; only the back of the hand is, as well as the rest of the glove. Thus, when the water repellent on the leather wears off the palm, water will soak through. I'd definitely recommend treating the palm in particular with one of the previously mentioned waterproofing treatments.
Leather treatments aren't necessary to keep your hands dry (because of the Gore-Tex insert), but it is still a good idea to regularly condition the leather. I'd check with Black Diamond or even look at Hestra and get some of their leather balm. It's supposed to be awesome.
Hey Brian, no treatment is necessary as the glove has a complete Gore-Tex insert. Eventually the water repellent finish on the leather will wear off, but water will not soak through the Gore-Tex underneath.
If you want to maintain the water repellent coating on the leather try the sponge on Glove Proof from Nikwax.
Well I finally tested for myself these gloves. Almost everyone you talk to will reco these for the coldest weather. They are without question the warmest on the planet. 10 below 20 below would not matter and they are very well made. you do give up alot of movement they are stiff out of the box. You will look like Hellboy with these on. They are big but true to size large will be good for most. The leather they use on the glove is made by Pittard's of England the best they make. and it even smells good!!! the liner is like having your hands in a sheep's wool. The only gloves made that come close are the Mountain Hard wear Habanero that I tested . Habs offer alot more ease of movement and are also very well made. Best in class next to the guides . I decided to keep both the habanero for the not so very cold days, that I need to use my walking poles or just need my hands alot for , and the guides when my hands are freezing . I did like the Habs one hand cinch on the wrist the guides dont have that feature. I don't reco taking out the insert on the guides they are in tight for a reason. If you read others that say these are not warm its a person who has not worn them. I tried both gloves so others on here would have a choice on two of the best gloves made. It was close to 300.00 but I think I will save others time and money by this test. I also tested the Marmot's big selling work glove pass it by its junk next to these two.
These are such nice gloves. The best gloves out there that I've tried. Super tough, good dexterity, and quality construction. The liners don't come out super easily, but the glove is easy to put on and off over a jacket or coat. Goat skin on the palms and fingers is great for durability and grip. If you're doing a lot of grabs that would cut up your gloves, though, I'd go for the Mad Max. I like that there is no BS features like a goggle squeegee, or pocket for had warmers. Don't need 'em! They keep you warm and dry, and are built for people who know what they're doing in the cold winter. The only reason I don't give 'em five stars is because they're so expensive. That being said, you get what you pay for.
This is not actually a question but more like a following up to another comment. The comment was if you have a bis hand go with a mitten. I agree. I have a medium sized hand and the large fits perfect. If my hand were any bigger I would be cuttling off to much blood flow. If they have an XL that would be the way to go.
After a short "break in" period, these gloves are ready for anything rad. I've gone to Everest's summit with them twice and I still have all of my fingers! Used them skiing K2 as well. But perhaps the coldest place I've worn them was while ski patrolling in Vermont. Super durable with the leather palm and kevlar stitch, you could probably rappel 20,000 vertical feet before wearing out the palm.
Yes but its only on the palm side the top is another type.--------------That's not actually true, the insulation is Primaloft which is entirely synthetic.-------------- "combination of fabrics including a wool pile liner and a layer of soft PrimaLoft®" --Black DiamondThe guide glove has a soft smooth material on the palm of the liner, but a thick wool pile on the back. the whole liner is wrapped in a layer of primaloft making it very warm indeed.
These gloves are sick. I have had them for two seasons and they have never let me down. Even after a long day in the backcountry my hands are still dry and warm. The removable liner is nice so they dry a little quicker for the next day. The dexterity is pretty good for such a warm glove. I would definitely buy these again!!
The gloves are massive I have done several field tests with many different pairs, They have zero dexterity for any technical climbing gear, The liners are not warm and gloves leak in the cold . If you suffer from even the smallest amount of cold hands you will not last ten mins in anything under 25c . I know i have tied I was in major pain an had to reheat my hands for fear of frost bite. I have done more cold fields test on these then any other glove.
As another test on these gloves that the staff at backcountry holds as the warmest glove around. This is not true first I have done tons of research to find the warmest made, these are not close they are great done get mr wrong I have cold fingers so keep that in mind as I want to be 100 pct fair. I used these this weekend when we had temps around zero maybe less. I has a pair of smart wool liners under these as well , and if I had not been within a mile of my truck I would have gotten frost bite. I had to take my hands out several times during my test and get the blood moving in my tips it was not fun! After doing tons of research which I know most of the top tier guros don't they just leave tons of comments to climb the list! The Alti mitts made by Outdoor Research are the warmest made period. This information comes from many climbers who climbed Everest more then once. And are considered by almost every mountaineer as the only choice above 8000 meters. Funny backcountry still wont reorder these but keep pushing other less quality gloves that are in stock. Hope this long review helps others. Mario Sarrica
-Dexterity: 1 turn. This should not be construed as being a "bad rating". Given that this was the warmest glove with the most insulation within the class, dexterity should not be a factor when requiring something this warm. Given skiing in the 4 corners region, it is overkill and warrants the low rating for me.
-Removable liner: 2 turns. The liner is basic, but not really usable outside the shell.
-Wrist fit: 3 turns. Elastic, no wrist strap, but firm and tight.
-Palm material: 3 turns. Heavy duty leather, great doubling of leather in key areas, tacky and soft.
-Overall Construction: 3 turns. Well designed and fits great, but lacks idiot strap which I would add as a modification.
-Verdict: 2.4 turns. If I were looking for a very warm/hot glove, the dexterity and removable liner points would have been higher, rendering this the overall winner. Minus points only for this reason. Great glove and decent dexterity for amount of insulation material to include wool.
My husband works washing cars in the winter and as a second job he shovels snow...I would like to know what is the best waterproof/warmest glove that will keep his hands dry but also keep them warm in 0 degree temps and colder...We have tried many gloves and none can withstand the cold and the water...
Sounds like a job for some insulated rubber gloves; try a marine supply place that sells to commercial fisherman. Washing cars outdoors in the winter? How is that even possible? These gloves are some of the best you can buy-- Gore-Tex ensures that he will keep his hands dry. I'm not sure what all washing cars in the winter entails, but it seems like constantly getting the leather wet and bending it could damage them very quickly. One thing to remember is that gore-tex is built like a sandwich. You have your outer layer of fabric, normally not waterproof. Then there is a layer of gore-tex, and then an inner layer of fabric. Even though a glove can keep water from getting in, if you soak (and freeze) that outer layer of fabric, the glove will not be as warm because it will transmit coldness to the inside quicker. If he doesn't need finger movement, the absolute mittens will keep him even warmer. They are Gore-Tex too.http://www.backcountry.com/store/BLD0341/Black-Diamond-Absolute-Mitten.html
According to weather.com its 16 degrees and feels like 3 in Boston this morning. I walk to work - it takes about 20 minutes - and my hands were outright toasty. This is a good sign. I expect that these gloves will hold up in even colder conditions... We'll see...
i'll preface this by sharing that i have recently begun suffering from raynaud's syndrome, which is a vascular condition in which cold weather causes the capillaries in the hands to constrict. in non-scientific terms, when it gets the slightest bit chilly, my hands and fingers are almost always freezing cold and even numb. it can be quite painful too.
i love to sk, and to combat this, i've tried about every type of glove/liner/hand warmer combination available. on a new year's trip to mt. snow vermont, i broke down when the temp dropped to 2º and bought a pair of gordini goose down mittensbasically sleeping bags for my hands. those combined with hand-warmers kept the feeling in my hands all day. as much as i love having finally found a solution to my problem, mittens don't allow for the most dexterity, plus it looks like i am wearing boxing gloves, as the kid at the store was kind enough to point out to me. so i was on the lookout for some gloves that would do the job in all but the most severe cold.
i read all the reviews about the black diamond guide gloves both on this site and on others. i knew i wanted a pair of goretex gloves because any moisture really compounds the problem i have with my hands. i was stoked when these arrived as i had just made plans to hit the slopes the ensuing weekend.
sadly, things did not start out well for these, as i had a lot of trouble getting the pull-cord on the gauntlets to tighten adequately. the softshell material used tends to bunch up and cause the cord to stick, not tightening as much as it should. you have to pull pretty hard. i did so and actually ripped the fabric piece that attaches the toggle to the glove. i ended up rigging it back on with a twist-tie but not what you want to see from $160 gloves. luckily this happened in my house and not outdoors. but the closure system is really poor. the toggle is way too small to operated with these gloves on which is really a stupid design decision. i had a pair of old burton gloves and their closure system (which i noticed was patented) is far superior and much easier to work, especially when wearing big gloves.
another quip i have with these gloves is that they do not come with a retaining strap. with gloves these bulky, any task that requires a modest amount of coordination requires you to remove the glove. the straps come in handy when you are constantly removing the gloves and the omission of this simple feature really seems like an oversight on black diamond's part. i scavenged the straps from my old burtons and hooked them around the tabs used to separate the liner from the shell, which does an adequate job of replicating this, but the straps are kind of awkwardly placed now.
on the slopes, these did an ok job, but the daytime temps hovered around 40º. i bit it badly once, and sure enough, somehow snow found its way into one of the gaping holes created by the bunching effect of the gauntlet's closure system. as soon as the sun started going down and the temperature dropped a little, i noticed a familiar tingling feeling in my fingertips. i threw on some liners, but it was already too late and i had to call it a day. i was pretty bummed that these did not work out as i had hoped. perhaps with hand-warmers, these would have done the job.
bottom-line is that, for the money, these are really poorly designed and i question the durability and quality. and while the orange and grey color-way looks much cooler than my enormous mittens, i'd rather be able to feel my hands at the end of the day.
i'm old, and have had way too much fun, and abused my hands i guess just a little too much. (the small veins in the hands die off and do not regenerate! -- yeah, this is a WARNING!) 3-5 days/yr it's smart to wear mittens! the rest of the time they're fine. my mittens have a pile lining which wicks the moisture away from the hands, after i've had em off for some reason or other! wish the guide gloves had the same kind of liner!
Which would be warmer, the Black Diamond Guide with its included liner or a Black Diamond Renegade Mitt with a separate warm liner (Seirus Softshell lite)?
Mitts always gonna be warmer. Heat comes from your body. Assuming quality of construction and materials is even remotely similar, a mitt's gonna do the job way better. I see a lot of blow-hards on here yapping about stuff they know little about. Use a mitten if you're cold. Jeez.
My opinion depends upon your hand size. Read my review. If you have large hand, go with mitten. The shell on this model is tighter than liner causing the fingers to get cold much quicker. However, if you have smaller hand and don't compress liner, the Guide may suit you.
these gloves rock! i love the dexterity, for the cold cold days these gloves truly stand out. the are true to size and last for ever. if you want a glove to keep you warm then these are the ones. i would recommend getting a 2nd pair that isn't quite as warm just so your hands don't get over heated.
the best gloves i have ever owned in 40 years of downhill skiing.....warm, bulletproof, easy on and off, easy to pull liner and dry. the liners alone are an amazing piece of craftsmanship.....fluffy, fleecy, sheepskinny kinda synthetic stuff on the backside of your paw and thinner stuff on palm side are very luxurious. the nylon slides easily into the outer shell and more importantly stays put when you yank the gloves off. they are held in place by velcro which runs all the way around the cuff. very nice piece of work.
i am not sure where the reviewers are coming from who say these are cold as i have worn these all day in sub zero temps (including 10 days of heli in alaska) with no problem although i did buy them one size large as i do for all gloves for better circulation. some folks just need mittens i guess. i ski 40+ days/season and my fingers can get cold in other ski gloves. i do not wear these gloves in 25 degrees plus weather as they are too warm.
as for the dexterity issues, this has never been a deal breaking issue for me working zippers and grabbing ski poles. admittedly i work with gloves as a carpenter and may be a little more accustomed to having gloves on and maybe my hands are stronger. the leather palms are heavily reinforced (more so than the marmots) and are showing minimal wear. the tan ones i have are getting a nice patina after two seasons which remind me of my work gloves. the soft patch on the back of the thumbs wipes goggles nicely (or if you prefer, wipes nose drips.....use the right for the nose, left for the goggles). the cuffs are generous and fit easily over goretex shells and seal wrists thoroughly against pow and cold. steal leashes from you older inferior gloves if you feel the need to be attached.
ok, so they are expensive....these are professional grade....c'mon be honest, you have spent more on dinner and drinks for you and lovey at one time or another. i have not for one minute, one second, regretted having spent that money(on the gloves that is, wise guy). having bought from the nice peeps at backcountry they have great guarantee. i fully expect these things to go four seasons plus easily.
These gloves are on the bulky side, but they make up for it with their warmth. They are perfect when the temp drops below 10F. If the temp is above that, they would be too much glove unless your hands tend to get cold easily. The gauntlet is extra long and does its job keeping the snow out. I set the gauntlet diameter the first time I had them on over my shell and haven't had to adjust them since.
Black diamonds , but will tell you this once again MountainHardwear has come out with gloves they are warmer then both combined. Really going to change they way gloves are made !Backcountry does not sell them yet , they are new Check out the mh site they are nuts!spency at 300.00 But man they are sweet!!!
I've had these gloves since early November '08, and have found them to be extraordinary in upstate NY, VT, and NH, where the temperatures can reach zero degrees and below. Everyone includes Gore-Tex, Thinsulate, etc, in their gloves these days, but what separates the BD Guides from the rest is the removable wool lining. And it is a thick lining at that. I ordered these with the Marmot Ultimate's for comparison. Sent the Ultimate's back (see my review). There's no comparison; these are extremely warm. They come with a slight curvature in the 4-finger formation, and quickly will form to your hand. Included are long gaiters (just the right length) with a bungie drawstring and adjustable sliding spring lock. If your fingers are still cold with these gloves, you're looking at spending $300 for the Mountain Gear Red Saliva's, or a heated lithium ion glove liner such as the Vaso's. Try the BD Guide's - I don't think you'll be disappointed...
That's "Mountain Hardware Red Savina" Heated Glove. Haven't tried them, but the materials don't appear to be on the same level as the BD's. Vaso's are an excellent option; inconsistent battery performance an issue at present...
The dexterity in the glove is great. The fitment is great... just the right fit where it's not too tight (I wear large). The gloves are very warm. The entire interior of the gloves remove making this a complete shell glove with removable liner. What's even cooler is the hook and loop attachment for the liner goes around the entire glove in a circle, making it compatible with old liners from other gloves! This lets me use thinner liners from old gloves for warmer days :-D That's the good. The bad: no idiot strap (c'mon, it's 2008), no back-of-the-hand pocket for warmers (not mandatory but it's nice), really cheap and stiff gauntlet closure cord and lock (I worry they'll break because you really have to pull hard on it to close it) that is difficult to close and open, and no wrist cinch strap (I prefer to have these).
i have very poor circulation in the hand so when the temp is 30 or lower my hands freeze and i can not find any gloves to keep my fingers from falling off
These gloves are the bees knees for days when it is cold and wet. The only other glove that compares is the Marmot Ultimate. You will not be disappointed with these
I spent a lot of time reading reviews of mountaineering gloves online before I ended up buying these. They are perfect for what they're designed for. I've read some comments regarding the gloves' warmth not being enough, or the dexterity is poor....These are silly comments. If you want warmth in extreme cold, get a mitt (common sense). That being said, the guide gloves' warmth is stellar. The dexterity is excellent, considering the warmth-weight of the liner. They also dry quickly, which scores huge points in my book. Goats' leather is super comfortable and grippy. Only downside is there is no leash, however you can fashion one easily with some p-chord. Definitely worth the purchase
There is almost nothing bad I can write about this glove. It is super warm, and is very comfortable. Washes nice, especially after sweating for hours on end. Great for skiing, winter sports, and general-duty outdoor work. Fingers are a bit hard to move outside, but this is nothing new with good winter gloves. They look cool too! As mentioned by another reviewer, these are not expedition gloves for multiple-day, 8000m peaks! Good for regular-duty and even heavy duty, but not for extreme adventurers.
I have tried both gloves , the marmot are not in the same class it's that simpleMarmot are good gloves don't get me wrong. The cord it has is fine juts get it to fit before you put them on its not that hard!
I was quite impressed when I received my order (very fast shipping BTW) and tried on the BD Guide. Excellent quality construction, great fit...did I finally find a glove that will keep my fingers warm? (I have Raynaud's.) Unfortunately, I was disappointed with them the very first time I used them.
With strong winds and temps in the low 20's, it only took about 15 minutes for my hands to get cold. The liners do not hold in heat well at all. The gloves are well-shaped for grasping things like ski poles, but forget about trying to straighten your fingers out to do anything that requires dexterity.
So my search is back...I'll probably try mittens next.
THese gloves are great. I have the 09 model and have heard from friends that the previous models had issues of pulling out the inner layer when removing hands. I have had no such issue. The dexterity is good although your not going to be able to perform surgery in them. My fingers have never been cold...eventhough i'm the type that always needs to dive into the backpack every chairlift ride while snowboarding. Get you some!
I gave these gloves a thumbs down. The Gore Tex membrane disintegrated in less than a year and they would soak up lots of moisture in moderate temperatures, less when it was very cold. They are warm but I found them to be too bulky. You are probably better off with mits (OR Alti Mits) for serious warmth since you'll have to take the gloves off anyway to do tasks needing good dexterity.
I'm trying to decide between these and the Marmot Ultimate Guides for skiing and mountaineering. Any suggestions? Also, is the lack of wrist strap on these an issue?
Tough decision. The materials seem to be about the same, both great brands. Its unfortunate that the BD are lacking the wrist cinch, but they also have to addition of the Pittards goatskin(almost indestructible). I'm sure warmth won't be a factor, as they will both get the job done. In my opinion, if I didn't get my BD Renegade gloves for a steal at the beginning of the season, I would have went for the BD Guide Gloves hands down over the Marmot Ultimate Guide even though I am highly partial to Marmot gear most of the time.The Marmot Ultimate Guides fit way too tightly. I tried large which I usually wear and just sitting still they felt constricting on my fingers, and if I bent them at all forget about it. I tried XL and those were just as bad! Also, the opening on the liners for the Marmot's are barely big enough to get your hands through so it's just frustrating putting the gloves on. While the Marmot's have better materials, the fit is so awful that I chose the BD Guides as my glove.
Tuff as nails, warm, looks good, fit my big ass hands, one big drawback no safety string if they had that I would have gave it 5 stars. So far so good, but buy it on sale if ya can way $$$$, I got them for $110 no tax and free shipping. Cold fingers SUCK !! Black Diamond Guide Glove ROCK !
They are not worth the money in my opinion. I went snowmobiling this past weekend and FROZE my hands. I even had large wind deflectors on my sled which did nothing. I am not happy with those and wish I could send them back.
First of all the liners are a joke . sure they are waterproof but they are no any thicker on the palms or bottoms of the fingers than a pair of cotton gloves. in my opinion if your hands get cold easily this are not for you. Also i called black diamond to get a replacement pair of liners.. nope . not avail . Come on. what the hell . If i am in wet gloves all day i at least want to be able to put dry warm liners in at noon. Also no frigging lanyard clips so when you lose one off the chair lift or the wind blows it off the ledge you do what with 1 glove. ai have wore these all day , doing work and have had to resort to heat packs on the backs of my hands. Same thing i had to do with my $10 work gloves
How does this compare to the Hestra heli glove? I ski back and front side in Utah and Colorado, hands run a bit cold. Loved my Marmot ultimates, but they are packed out and only warm enough for spring now.
I have had these gloves for over a year now, these gloves are pretty warm but not for the coldest new england days. When the temp hits 5 degrees or lower my fingers start to go numb. the other problem with these is that the fleece fingers of the liner tend to pull out which makes it very difficult to put back on. The shell is very durable and I have never had a problem with wet hands.
Last year I bought the Marmot Ultimate gloves, and this year I got these Black Diamonds. I have yet to put these gloves to work as snow in Tahoe has been a little hard to come by, but the Black Diamonds are much warmer gloves, and I'd have to say the construction quality is a bit higher. The Marmot's are certainly a fine pair of gloves, but I think I'll use them for the warm weather days. The Black Diamonds have a rather scratchy wool interior, which doesn't bug me but could be a deal breaker for some people. It'd be nice if these gloves had a cinch at the wrist, but that's not a huge deal. My only other gripe is that the gauntlet material is stiff enough that it makes it a tad difficult to get a good seal around your forearm by pulling on the cinch cord. Plus, the spring in the cord retainer is so strong that it makes me feel like I'm going to break the cord because I have to pull on it so hard. All in all, minor issues for such a great pair of gloves.
I've had the opposite experience. While I really liked the initial quality of the BD gloves, they didn't last for me. I switched to using the Marmot Ultimates and they've been fantastic. I agree the Bd Guide is a little warmer, but the Marmot Ultimate is much more versatile since you can use the shell or liner when they aren't both needed. Also, the Marmot Ultimate has been more waterproof, which is important for the Cascades but much less so in CO. Just my experience.
I've used these for snowmobiling for about a year now and love them (also great ski and snowboard gloves). I have unusually cold hands and these keep me warm except in the most sever conditions (riding at 40+MPH for long periods when temperature is below 15F) and I don't think there's anything on earth that will keep me warm under those conditions. Buy these!
These are by far the best and warmest gloves out there. I've tried them all but these are my cold day go to glove. Quality is second to none. Worth every penny. Once the goatskin palms get even more broken in forget it. Pass these down to generations. Quality all around.
I work in Yellowstone Park, riding a snowmobile as much as 100+ miles a week at 35mph in sub-zero weather and then there is the windchill... COLD!!!! Spend every other spare second exploring the winter wonderland backcountry. These gloves rock. Were recommended purely for their warmth and have stood up to the reputation. Super warm and cozy and dexterity remains. Use the shells with a light Black Diamond liner on the not so cold days and when activity with hands is high. Black really soaks up the sun when it shines. Worth the extra $$$ if you intend to duel with some of mother natures coldest...
I've used these skiing, when climbing Pico de Orizaba, and just now walking my dog in -10F temps. They're ok but I am not all that impressed considering what they cost. The dexterity of the gloves really isn't that great. They worked well when plunging an alpine axe in the snow but I wouldn't recommend them for ice or mixed climbing. They just don't have the dexterity that would be needed to place gear (ice screws or rock pro).
And, they are NOT warm enough to justify the cost. After walking my dog for 15 minutes in -10 temps, my finger tips were painfully frozen. I wouldn't expect them to handle temps that low for a long period of time but they should at least keep your fingers from becoming painfully numb for a quick dog walk. I pulled out the liners and found that the tips of the fingers were packed down to nearly nothing and I've only had them for one season.
Bottom line: good ski gloves but not worth the price.
Cold hands are often the bottom line for a lot of adventures... It really sucks to bail in fear of frost bite.
After getting turned back 100M short of the summit of Meru in the Garhwal Himalaya (after 20 days on the wall) I will always take these. One of my partners Jimmy Chin had them and I was so jealous...!
Never again without the Guide Glove, its such inexpensive insurance for an enjoyable successful adventure.
ps.. its key how you can remove the liners and put them next to your body at night to dry
As an older guy who has beaten up his hands for thirty six years working on machinery outdoors, I have very poor circulation in my hands, plus some finger tips that have been frostbitten in the past. I mostly rely on wind stopper type liners under heavy mittens anymore, shedding a mitt for a few seconds while making an adjustment or starting a bolt, then returning the hand to the mitt to warm it back up. A lot of times, though, I need dexterity for long periods of time, so have been looking for years for a truly warm glove. While the Guide is not the end all answer to all my dreams, it comes closer than any other glove I have found. Changing a tire in +5* F in SW Wyoming (with a 25-30mph wind adding additional chill) two weeks ago, the gloves did pretty well for the 30 some minutes I was working. A few cold spots developed where touching the frozen metal tools, but no stinging or numbness occured. And bar-hopping around downtown Anchorage last week in -20* F on foot was nearly a pleasure, my hands stayed toasty warm for the 10-20 minute walks between pubs, while my buddies were very happy to get back inside to warm up. I ordered this pair to fit somewhat snugly; my next pair, and there will likely be a next pair, I will order size large for a looser fit. I am going up on the North Slope for work this winter, and will write another review in the spring to let you know how they hold up. Good gloves, if a bit spendy.
I ski primarily in Maine & January days at the Loaf are as cold as anywhere outside of Alaska. I tend to get cold hands easily and this is the only glove that keeps my hands warm in temps below zero & they also offer the best ergonomic fit with the pre-curved fingers and thumb. I'v tried the top of the line offerings from Marmot, Hestra & Mountain Hardware and none match the warmth of the BD. In addition, the Guides are the best constructed gloves I've used. Going into my fourth season and have used them ~40d/yr from mid Dec thru mid March and not a single stich has come loose, the leather palms show no signs of wear, and the schoeller strech fabric in the outer shell is bomber! All that being said, they are a bit bulky (though most of the liner insulation is on the back of the hand) & stiff out of the box but that's to be expected in a serious cold weather glove....give them 10-15 days on the hill and they'll modl to your hands. The liner insulation has also packed out a little but again that's to be expected after almost 150 ski days to date but I simply use a super thin liner on the coldest of days and that problem is also solved. The other manufactures all make fine gloves but nothing I've tried can touch the BD Guide for all around warmth, fit, construction, & longevity.
my hands are always cold when i hunt, I need a very warm glove, but with a index finger size small enough to fit into a trigger guide. Which black diamond glove do you recommend
This would be a good glove. You might also check out the Grandoe Logan glove. They'd be perfect for hunting. I use them for mountaineering which I need a lot of movement in my hands.Hope that helps.
These are fantastically warm gloves that have bulletproof construction. As others have said, they're flexible, and even with my massive hands the XL are accurately sized. The only slightly annoying thing is the lack of a dummy strap. It's not a big thing, but at this price I'd hate to lose them by accident.
I have had these gloves for about three seasons and one of those I was bumping chairs at Grand Targhee. These gloves have never let me down, even in Targhee when temps can drop down to -10. The leather on the fingers and the palms has been wearing down, but this has no affect on the performance. Plus if you live in SLC, you can take them to BD and they will patch them up for free, buy local!
There are two colors available with this glove, natural and black. Another website shows the black glove with tan leather accents, while your black glove shows black leather accents. Is one of them last year's model? Thanks.
their a killer glove. step away from Glamour magazine. yeah their probably last years, this is definitely the newest and the best as far as design goes from BD.
I have wore these gloves twice skiing in New England. The first day they were put to the test with 3 degree weather with a wind chill of 14 below. They did the job which was amazing to me since they are a glove not a mitten. I was going to get a mitten but based on the reviews on this site I went for the glove. Sure there were times I had to move my fingers around to get the blood flowing, but there were many times I had to take my hands out of the gllove in order to deal with by glasses and though my hand wound never recoup once back in the glove but they did. Yes as others have said they are a bit bulky but no big deal.
Forget about just skiiing with the liner and taking out the insert. The liner is just a shell which is a strange feeling to the hand and I am not sire it would offer any protefection from teh cold.
Nice gloves from a functional point of view, but color (of "Natural" version) on website is deceiving...actual color of body is much more blue than grey. If that doesn't matter to you, then you can't beat this glove for a warm and well designed winter ski glove.
I used them for a week in Northern Maine snowmobiling. The temperature got to about 17 below. I'm 50 and have minor carple tunnel. My hands got numb from being in the same position for extended time, but the gloves performed well and kept my hands warm. They were tight when I first wore them but after a week they fit perfect. They are true to size. I will now test them on the slopes on cold days. I'm certain they will perform
These fit a little snug for me (I usually wear a large, but the XL fit better in these). They are awesome for a weekend of backcountry skiing. My hands never got cold once in the windy 0-10 degree temps. The only thing that I would like to see is a safety clip to attach to my jacket.
These gloves are a bit bulky, but definitely warm. They were fine for skiing - enough dexterity to pinch and attach my telemark ski leashes - and the removeable liner makes drying easy. I would have preferred a cinch strap around the wrist, but overall a great glove
Great gloves, I ski resort, sidecountry or backcountry about 3 days / week. These are too warm for most Utah days and too warm for hiking in unless it's fridgid out. But they are build for cold days and they are very warm and as water, wind, snow proof as ski gloves get. I wear XL's in Marmot, TNF and Hestras but had to send the XL's back for large. They tend to be bulky and lose a star for dexterity especially if they are at all on the big side. Dexterity and bulk were much better with the large. The wool liners do pack out if you buy them snug at first, so buy snug as long as the fingers are long enough.
If you buy these gloves make sure you keep the receipt. The palms will fall apart under frequent use and the liners split along the finger seems. Black diamond will warranty the gloves and I have gone through about five pairs. Each pair starts to fall apart after about 40 days. I think the backcountry hiking is rough on them. For 150 dollars they should last a season. This is what happens when products are made in china. If you ski often and in the backcountry, (100 days a year) you are better off buying different gloves.
I've had these gloves for a year know but I'm really not known to have the coldest hands these gloves are awesome I beat the crap out of my stuff and these hold up great I have been in -20 degree weather wi 20mph winds and I was never cold to really test them I would get them wet and go outside for a walk in these types of temps still I wouldn't feel a thing the only bad part is the shell isn't goretex the linner glove has the goretex in it trust me I tested it in my sink good gloves though overall. And to set the story straight northern outfitters mittens are the warmest mittens ever the alti mitts are good but u can't beat those northern outfitters mitts.
I've had these gloves for a month or so. I'm currently using them for bicycle commuting in Minneapolis. I've had them out on hour and a half rides with temps -10F and wind, sometimes a 30 mph wind or more when I'm riding into the wind (wind speed and my speed combined.) They have kept my hands warm on the coldest days. You don't typically get a lot of blood flow to the hands when biking, so this is an impressive feat. The gloves construction looks and feels first rate. Not one complaint.
Finally had enough cold weather to allow a rating on these gloves. These are definitely warm and kept my hands warm with little to no activity during single digit temps.
I also have the BD Patrol gloves and these never really kept my hands warm. The removable liners are ideal and make it easy to rapidy dry out the gloves if you sweat too much in them :-)
I've had these gloves for 11 years of skiing (lift served and backcountry) and winter activities and have not been able to complain about anything yet. While I don't believe these are designed to climb 8000m peaks (as a previous reviewer seemed to suggest) they fit the bill for skiing, snow-machines, and outdoor work in very cold temperatures. The collar is great at keeping snow out and cinches down tight, it is great to be able to remove the inserts to help with drying and to use the shell with lighter gloves for some corn skiing.
All in all the best pair of gloves I've ever used. The leather on the fingers is finally starting to show some wear so it may be time for a new pair.
I bought these for my husband, who has had problems with cold hands on previous ski trips. These were incredibly warm - in fact, he didn't wear them after the first day because they were TOO warm. It was in the 20's and 30's the whole time so he ended up skiing in Outdoor Research Omni Gloves (totally awesome!) but he is looking forward to wearing these on colder ski days. They're like ovens for your hands but reduce your dexterity a bit. Highly recommend for warmth.
Very-very warm. Runs a bit bulky, but you can remove the liner and use the outer shell with a tech glove. That's what I did in -15F, less than that, just use it as it comes. Truly waterproof. Bulkiness can cost mobility, i.e. putting on a crampon can be a challenge :)
I bought these gloves after spending a few days in Vermont. It rained one day and my gloves completely soaked through and my fingers were frozen. I'd had enough. My next trip was a week in Vail and my new Guide gloves were exactly what I wanted- warm and dry. The inner liner is very comfortable and they're fairly easy to pull on and off; I did have one gripe- the drawstring on the gauntlet broke, but this store sent me a new pair as soon as I told them about it. All-in-all, I'd say these are the best gloves I've owned and should last for a least a few more seasons.
I have last year's model. They are great gloves: warm, sturdy, dry. Just don't sweat in them and try to take them off and put them on again! The fingers will bunch up bad, it just happened today in the Tahoe backcountry and I wished I had brought another pair of gloves cause I could not get my fingers back in them right. Although the new ones have a wool liner which would probably fix this problem. I still like these...
I do a lot of back country work and I just used these at the night down to 5 degrees and they kept my hands really warm. They are not as dexterous as other gloves but those are not as warm. Put a Icebreaker wool liner under these and they are indestructible. Leather palms are very tough and soft.
I just returned from a week skiing in Utah. It was unusually cold with most days in the teens. I have always had cold fingers when I skied and used hand warmers. I did use an additional liner with these gloves. These were the warmest gloves I have used to date. They are expensive but I was happy with how they worked and I did not use any warmers.I would recommend.
Bought the BD guides and the Kevlar stitching unraveled on day one. Not what I'd expect from such an expensive glove.
Materials are high quality... warm and dry and I agree pretty much w/ what everybody else said. I'm just concerned about the quality of manufacture.
Going to give the BDs another chance and chalk this up to one bad apple made late on a Friday afternoon before a long holiday weekend. Nobody's perfect.
This store was great. Had a return label in about five minutes and a replacement pair the next day. Top notch customer service.
Lets see if this pair makes it past day one...I'll be sure to let you all know.
I bought these on the advice of the other reviewers and I have to disagree. They are bulky and uncomfortable. They seemed cold to me in only 15 degree weather and then hot at 30 degrees. I have been disappointed!
These gloves are nice. I like the wool lining and the articulation. I am, however; disappointed. They are not "totally waterproof" as the description says. I stuck my hands in them and put them in a bowl of water for one minute. They outer shell leaked like a sieve and the Gore-tex liner was leaking water badly through the finger tips.
I'm constantly changing over from skinning to skiing to filming and my hands get exposed and cold. It's nice to throw the Guides on and know my more...
The guide is my cold weather glove of choice. Still has reasonable dexterity considering how nicely insulated they are. Great everyday glove for people more...