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A climbing machine.
- The adjustable, hooded front points bite hard in vertical water ice and provide precise edging while dry tooling
- Can be set up with either dual or single points
- The rear heel clip features a micro-adjustment system for a secure fit
- Dual-density ABS plates keeps snow from sticking to the bottom of these crampons
- Ideal for steep ice and mixed climbing
- Item #BLD0483
- Q & A
Great for ice climbing!
They were relatively easy to set up, and did not slip a single time. They hold amazing on ice and the front toe-picks are nice and long! Super durable!
We are your friends
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
Crampons are always a bit of a gamble. As far as I am concerned, there really is no in between a great pair and an unacceptable pair. We packed these into the Colorado rockies and all over the Wasatch range and the have held up great. No slipping, fit both hard and soft boots relatively well, and can stick to ice like white on rice. Little bit of a struggle getting them sized, but whatevs.
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
easy to fit, put on, use. Great crampons!
work as good as any on tele boots
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
excellent crampons. it would be neat if it didnt require cutting the base plate to switch to monopoint. its an intended use, so why not just build in the space for it when its made?
Also great for tortoise and hare races!
Teenage Mutant Ninja Cyborgs
Raphael shows off the Black Diamond Cyborg Pro Crampons.
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I use this crampon for our Beginner Ice climbing course and its an excellent choice.
The Toe Pins are so long that even the worst noob has been able to climb confidently.
The only drawback is that the Toe Bail doesn't fit larger boots like Double plastic Koflachs.
Burlier than the old ones
These newer versions of the Cyborgs are way tougher than the old ones ( I broke both heal clips and a toe bail on those) plus the heal clip on the stainless ones are designed so one can pull on the strap to release them from your boot with out breaking the plastic. These are VERY good for the price considering how many parts I had to replace on the old ones. Buy 'em up!
wait is that Ginger Snaps down there?.....
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I love the cyborg pros. They stick so well in a variety of ice and fit great on my mont blancs. They're easy to adjust the sizing and can be converted to a mono-point like the stinger. Awesome crampons!
What a hunk of metal. Bites well in the hardest of ices. Love the monopoint option on the frigid days. Love the hood on the points too. Buy this bad boy and never regret it.
and a Cyborg
On dry land
I use on dry-tooling with one point for small cracks
Hard and so good
I use them on ice and on dry-tooling in the summer. thay r very hard and so r great!
Easy sticks and front points that fit into ice tool divots. What's not to love? These attach securely to boots and they don't ball up underfoot. I don't climb like a pro, but these make the most of my limited ability.
Never had anything like this, they are perfect for ice climbing. and when walking on glaciers you kinda feel like you're cheating a bit :P
only downside is that on the La Sportiva Trango Extreme Evo Light GTX it takes a lot of effort to get it on properly so beware
(what i mean by this is that even if you put it on tight it is still able to wiggle about)
These are well built and well designed. They are easy to adjust and put on. I have used them on ice, no mixed climbing, they stick great and hold well when placed. Bombproof!
I'm a big fan of these crampons. As easy to use as most any other modern crampon, fit well on single and double wall boots, and hold their points well. It's a personal preference, but I love the monopoint for steep ice, though if this was the only crampon you had in your quiver, the dual points are great for snow or couloir routes. The wide platform and angle of the secondary points are huge pluses in my book too.
Shoo makes a great point about not all the pieces being stainless (and the Lynx)...you will still see some rust, though in my opinion there is no reason to worry or even consider breakage.
Great, but a few substantial flaws
Though something tells me the new Petzl Lynx is going to put the cyborgs out of business, these are really a fantastic set of technical climbing crampons. They have a great fit to most modern climbing boots (some adjustment of the front bail would be helpful). The replaceable points are very handy, makes sharpening and replacing cheap and relatively easy. The ability to switch between dual and mono is invaluable. They are my default crampons for everything technical (steep waterfall ice, mixed, and pure dry tooling). While I am listing a few noticeable flaws below, it's worth noting that I am overall pretty happy with my purchase.
Flaw #1) It's NOT all-stainless. There are two key parts which are cro-moly steel: the bolts holding the front points, and the front points themselves. Mixing stainless and non-stainless steel parts INCREASES the rate of rust due to galvanic corrosion. I am a bit disappointed that a stainless bolt wasn't included for this reason, or at least free replacement bolts. There is also rust where the front points meet the holding bar. Bolt rust on mine is to the point where it is very difficult to change the points, and where breakage may occur, and I take VERY good care to try to keep them dry post-climb.
Flaw #2: You have to manually dissect the anti balling plates to use them in mono. It would have been fairly easy to just make a plate in which this is not an issue.
Excellent for moving on ice and rock
The cyborg is heavy, so i don't like carrying it in my pack on ski trips, but when I'd ice climbing or mountaineering over mixed ice/rock terrain, these are the crampons I take. They're burley, have many, sharp points and cinch up nicely. The micro adjustments on the heel allow me to get a good, secure fit and there's a big, long strap that can fit over any boots. Cut the strap for safety or weave it back in if you're afraid of cutting it too short. - otherwise it's a liability you don't need in a nofall zone.
The replaceable front points are excellent for long term use of the product.
Does anyone have better directions or a video of how to do the dual- to mono point modification? The BD website has an illustration that isn't very clear.
How do these compare to the BD Stinger and Petzl Lynx when the Cyborg's are in Mono Point setup?
I cannot answer your question fully but Ill point something out since I use Cyborg Pros with mono and dual front points.
When they are in a monopoint configuration using either of the two middle slots for the frontpoint(the only likely slot options for monopoint), the front ABS plates cannot be used. There is a plastic housing for the securing bolt that spans the area where the front point is mounted on the middle slots. There may be a different ABS model that allows for middle mounted front points, if not then a little DIY modification might work(hacksaw time)...
This isnt a problem for steep ice climbing but if you plan on traveling in snow with a monopoint crampon then the Stingers are the better option compared to the Cyborgs(without modification).
I do not know if the Lynx model has the same issue as the cyborg in monopoint, I hope this helps!
Looking for a crampon to serve both AT ski needs and dedicated ice climbing. Realize these are probably overkill for approach traction, but the more aggressive front points are more attractive for true climbing than something like Sabretooths. Am I on right track or heading for trouble? TIA!
You are on the right track!
These crampons for BD are the gold standard for vertical ice climbing. The dual front points in their vertical positioning makes them ideal for steeper ice routes.
In regards to using these for technical approachs ski mountaineering with AT boots - you'll be just fine! You can't really overkill it - given these are definitely HEAVIER than ski mountaineering specific aluminum crampons - BUT - these will get the job done!
Reid, referencing your comment below. Will the Cyborg perform poorly on regular mountaineering routes like Rainier? Was thinking this could be an all round crampon. Thanks, Craig
While these crampons are more specifically made for vertical ice climbing - they can be used for mountaineering - that being said they are definitely heavier and clunkier than mountaineering crampons -
For more specific mountaineering crampons from BD - have a look at the Neve ! - http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-neve-strap-crampons
Hello,i need help in chosing ice crampons for Koflach artic exp boots size US 12 (uk12).
I need crampons for mountaineerimg and a litle bit for ice climbing, not tehnical routes.
My qustions is ar these crampons goma fit my boots well ???
Thanks, and sorry for my English, im not from USA
Yes the Pro version will fit your boot. From personal experience the Cyborg is way over kill for mountaineering. Its more made for technical ice climbing.
I would suggest the BD Sabretooth Pro crampon. It will weigh less and still preform very well on both vertical ice and glacier travel.
when do you expect to get more Cyborg Pro...
when do you expect to get more Cyborg Pro in stock ?
ah man, that's a major bummer, just before ice season! It doesn't look like we have any more on the way at the moment. check out the Grivel G14's, pretty similar to the cyborgs: http://www.backcountry.com/grivel-g14-crampomatic-crampon?ti=UExQIENhdDo6MTo0OmJjc0NhdDgxMTEwMDEzMQ
Hi. What kind of center bar does the BD...
Hi. What kind of center bar does the BD Cyborg Pro have? Flex or Rigid?
rigid bars ...but they flex between heel and toe from the sloppy fit..
I'm stuck between buying the sabretooths...
I'm stuck between buying the sabretooths and the cyborgs. My old sabretooths are totally blunt and tiny so can't really compare them currently - I've been climbing about Scottish grade 4 mixed or ice, but I'll be using them on longer alpine routes too. Is it worth the upgrade or shall I just buy more sabres for the longer stuff?
On long alpine routes the sabretooths will fill more stable. but if you going for a lot of mix/ice the cyborg is the god of the climb...
what r you going to do the MOST "long alpine routes"=sabretooths, or mix=cyborg
I have a set of these crampons and I'm...
I have a set of these crampons and I'm wondering if anyone has ever removed the metal strip that goes from the front clip up to the nylon strap that goes around your ankle. I'm considering removing it because it damages the toe of my boot. I noticed that the Petzl crampons don't have this piece.
I haven't removed the metal strip, but you could look at potentially wrapping it with something to provide a thin layer between it and your boot. Duct tape comes to mind... and provided that it doesn't alter the fit of the front bail..could be worth a try.
The metal band makes no sense to me either. I never removed it from my Grivels but I considered doing so. I don't get what that thing is accomplishing. (If the toe bail detached from the crampon it would probably be broken so you would have bigger problems than losing it.)I now use the Newmatic style. Anyway I could see getting it off of there with a Dremel tool or a file very carefully.
Will these work okay with my North Face...
Will these work okay with my North Face boots? I did notice they are crampon compatible, but not sure which ones to get these or the step in kind, I wish I could afford the LaSportiva boots right now but just cant right now....
These are step-in crampons. Your boots must have welts on both the toe and heel for these to work. Which TNF boots do you have?
I am trying to decide which crampon to...
I am trying to decide which crampon to purchase, I need a crampon that will work for glacial travel like on Rainier but I also want to do technical ice climbing in the winter. Should I get the Cyborg or the Sabertooth?
The BD sabertooth would be a better all around crampon. It's great for glacier travel and will do vertical water ice.
Ryan is right about the Sabertooths, but they aren't really going to hold front points as well as Cyborgs will on vertical ice. Personally, I'd go with the Cyborgs if you're more serious about ice climbing.
Will the Pro work with a Pair of Crispi...
Will the Pro work with a Pair of Crispi Evo telemark boots?
ya that will work i think. I have ice climbed in these pros with T1 tele boots and they fit perfectly, like they were made to go together. The bill on the tele boot really keeps them snug and you can go with it for a few climbs if you aren't able to afford ice clibming boots like me, but the tele boots are really heavy
I have bought Black diamond Cyborg Pro...
I have bought Black diamond Cyborg Pro Crampons(using Sportiva Baruntse boots)for Elbrus and wondering if they are too technical and inflexible for hiking over lots of snow and ice . Any experienced comments out there ?
Flexibility wise the cyborg and the sabretooth are quiet the same. Most all modern crampons are semi-flexible so that wont be your problem. The realy problem when climbing in snow is that the front points are not horzontal like the sabretooth. It really should do just fine. However you might find your front points slicing through steep snow while front pointing.(They dont spread the load out like a horizontal point would) But if your on snow you should not really need to be front pointing.
Agree with David. Most all crampons are going to be stiff, but so are good mountaineering boots, so it doesn't make a difference. It's all about the front points. The BD sabertooth would be the better choice for Elbrus.
hi, I need one pair of step-in crampons...
hi, I need one pair of step-in crampons for winter boots and one of semiautomatic for my summer glacier boots.
I am thinking about the sabretooth pro and serac clip for summer. What do you think about? Is a good idea to buy a cyborg for all round winter alpine hiking and climbing and a sabretooth for summer glacier activities instead of Sabretooth and serac option? Thanks
The only question to ask, is if you will be doing technical vertical ice climbing. If you are doing vertical ice climbing then you will need a crampon with vertical front points, like these, and not horizontal. Otherwise, if you are doing glacier travel then the two horizontal front point crampons are the way to go. Make sense?!
Will these fit boot size 48?
Will these fit boot size 48?
These come in one size and will fit anywhere from a 36-46. So not going to be big enough for your 48's, sorry.
do these come with or can they be configures...
do these come with or can they be configures as a monopoint?
They come with two points but you can easily convert it to a monopoint - and have an extra point!
Hello im new to crapons. I have some Scarpa...
Hello im new to crapons. I have some Scarpa Manta boots that im gonna be using which should I go with the Black Diamond Cyborg Pro Crampons(step in) or the Black Diamond Cyborg Clip Crampons (hybrid).....(I think) thnx. Which and why?
Step-in, no question. More secure, easier to get in and out of - generally better. The only reason you might want the clips would be if you were planning on using the crampons with boots that aren't designed for step-in crampons, but the Mantas are, and Cyborgs really aren't the sort of crampon you would want to use with a tamer boot anyway.
Also, make sure you really want this style of crampon. This is more of a steep ice climbing piece, not a slog up rainier or shasta product.
Either will work fine with your boot. The clip type binding is more versatile in that it will fit more boots. The vertical stops at the end of a clip type binding also create a stiffer attachment to the boot than a wire bail for better sticks while climbing.
I'd disagree that the step in is more secure or easier to get in and out of.
Just wondering how the new cyborgs go with...
Just wondering how the new cyborgs go with a scarpa cumbre boot. i have some older sabretooths and have problems with the straightness of the crampon and the asymetrical curve of the cumbre. Due to the aggresive curve of the boot, the inside point of the crampon (under the ball of your foot) is outside the line of the boot, leading to easy catching when your exhausted at the end of the day, and the outside point (under the ball of your foot) being too far under your foot leading to rolling off the outside of your crampon easily, esp downhill traversing.
just wondering if the cyborg is curved enough for this boot to stop this problem, or whether to try a petzl crampon.
if they do not fit as you would like, BD has Asymmetrical Center Bars that have a more pronounced curve for like 25 bucks.
Can these be used for glacial hiking? ...
Can these be used for glacial hiking? Their matrix indicated they are only for technical climing...
Can they? I've read posts from folks saying you could use these for glacier travel, but would advise against it unless you're just taking a short hiking approach to some vertical ice. Unless you're going to be doing some substantial vertical ice climbing, I would look at the Sabretooths which are still capable of some vertical ice as well. If you won't be anywhere near vertical ice and are just looking for crampons to hike in, you can probably get away with something even lighter such as the Contacts.
They are absolutely fine for glacial hiking, but they are heavier. If you are doing short sections of near vertical ice (around 15-20 feet or so, around 50-80 degree) something like the Contact would suit your needs much better. If you are sticking mostly to big mountain with less technical terrain, I would go with the contact. I used them almost exclusively on Mt Baker and in other areas of the North Cascades.