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Thisbecame my favorite boot right before I switched over to NTN. This is definitely the stiffest boot available for 75 mm in my opinion. This boot allows you to tranfer power to your skis and remain in powerful control at high speeds in less than ideal conditions. They tour great and ski even better. The liner rocks especially with the platic reinforced cuff and the heel locking pads. My only complaint on these boots is the toe box being too narrow for my feet, but these are wider than Crispis.
Yes these boots do perform on big skis, stronger skiers and technically sound skill. These boots to an awesome job of transfering power to both edges on wider skis. I have average width feet and like a wider toebox. These boots fit great except I found the toe box to be too small for me (which seems important with tele boots). The heel fit was great, the heel never rose. These boots are stiff, heavy and have a high cuff so they might not be great if you do most of your skiing out of bounds or want to rock climb with them, but this is really all preference. I used them for a full season of touring and lifts and they never broke or showed any signs of breaking anytime soon.
great boot, bogus liner
I heat fit the liners of these boots and skied them hard. The control and walk/ski mech were super solid until after about 20 days the liners packed out. The shells fit my feet and were good and sung for a while, but now I have a huge amount of slop. Think heel slide to the cuff, while you wash out on hard turns...danger....They have also been cold since day one, and I usually have warm feet. I am a good 40+ days into these boots, and have noticed that scratching shows up much more than on scarpa brand boots (different finish) I'm not bothered, but some people may be. Have ordered intuition p-wraps, and am hoping for redemption. Based on similar stories regarding these liners, the best way to deal with them, is to find a good hole in the ground and bury them. Or pawn them off before moving, otherwise the poor hipster you sold them to will raise a skinny jean mob and run you out of town. plan accordingly.
I am looking at getting some new boots. I...
I am looking at getting some new boots. I was thinking either the T-Race (i would have to get the last gen ones with no walk mode), BD Custom, or the garmont Ener-G. I know that the custom is probably the stiffest, but I am only familiar with scarpa boot, both the red t-2x on many binders and TX-Pro on NTN. My current setup is the t-2s with Icelantic Shamans and hammerheads, and also karhu jaks with 7tm. Thanks!
I moved from the Scarpas to the BD Custom this season. I have Hammerhead bindings set on 180 BD Verdicts. The BD's are definitely a stiffer boot so depending on your riding style, it will take some getting used to. However, I've noticed that they have 'broken in' over the season and seem to have more forward flex than when I first pulled them out of the box. They have a narrower heel than the Scarpa. My BD's have about a half size difference in fit so I ended up moving up a full size (my Scarpa's are 29 and BD's are 30's). I've read other reviews about the footbeds breaking down but I have not experienced that problem. The forward adjustment capability allows for a truly custom ride. I debated over these and the BD Push for a few weeks and finally pulled the trigger and am glad I did.
Custom, Push or new T1s?
I've ridden the...
Custom, Push or new T1s?
I've ridden the older silver and gray T1s for 7 seasons, and am now looking for a new boot. My old ones are getting packed out and I'm curious what it will be like to have a rocker-less boots for wider skis. I ski about 75% in-bounds.
I ski pretty aggressively when I can but just moved back to the midwest so won't be logging as many days as I have in the past.
I don't want to give up the stiffness of the T1s but don't need to go any stiffer either. Are the Push's less stiff than T1s? Are the Customs more stiff that he T1s? Have the T1s improved over 7 years?
Push or Custom. I've been on Garmot energy...
Push or Custom. I've been on Garmot energy g-fits for years. I'm 185# and resort ski almost exclusively, on g3 bindings on K2 world pistes. My local shop doesn't stock Customs, but the Push 27.5 feel great. Is there a comfort and/or size and/or performance difference between Push and Customs? Thx for your help.
Hey I am an avid alpine skier and like to...
Hey I am an avid alpine skier and like to ski hard. I currently am on a pair of nordica dobermans 150. i can't ski on anything but a super stiff race boot and just bomber stiff skis. I tried tele last season and wast captured. I need to buy a full setup but am afraid of getting a boot that I am going to find to be too soft. however, it will be my first real season tele. any thoughts?
I have skied on my boots for 1.5 seasons....
I have skied on my boots for 1.5 seasons. I have custom beds but have never had the liners cooked. I don't have any pressure points but have a little more room than I'd like over my instep/arch. Does baking take volume out?
Baking will pack out your liners more,not take up volume. Sounds like you'll want to add some padding, or visit a shop to help you do so.
i recently purchased the b.d. customs but...
i recently purchased the b.d. customs but there aren,t any instructions on liner customisation in the box. do you put them in the oven? how hot? how long? etc. any tips would be greatly appreciated cheers james
The best answer is to take them to a shop. The reason there aren't any instructions is probably due to liability, people would burn there house down and send BD an invoice. Here's a vid of someone doing it to some wakeboard boots, the same rules apply.
performance wise, these boots are amazing, 4.5 stars, however, I have literally stripped every buckle, ( I know that if you over tighten or loosen them they will strip) this is just from regular use. worn through 2 bellow guards and mangled the rubber soles. Also, the area on top of the forefoot has torn and now is less warm and it gets lots of moisture in through there. Durability gets a 3, I'm going to try scarpa's new t-race this fall because the customs aren't gonna last another season. I use them but I havn't bused them, I've tried to take care of them as best I could
I wear an 8.5 street shoe. Normally I ride...
I wear an 8.5 street shoe. Normally I ride T1's 26.5 but need new boots because they are destroyed (I ski 150+ days a year). I have discovered that I also need to shell size down and probably should have been in 25.5's this whole time in a Scarpa. Have been looking at the Customs and would like sizing input since I know they differ from the Scarpa sizing. 26 or 26.5??? Nobody in North Tahoe has any and I have found a few pairs online at good spring prices. Input??
I did notice, that the rubber sole on the...
I did notice, that the rubber sole on the side of the boot that is compressed during skiing and walking getting chipi and some small cracks showed up after only one day of use.
Is this normal?
Check with BD and see if they'll do something about it. It's early enough in the production of these boots, that BD is probably looking for as much feedback as they can get, so they can improve and address problems. Good luck.
Q1: My USA Size 11 feet are EEE to EEEE...
Q1: My USA Size 11 feet are EEE to EEEE paddles, but I came from alpine clampdown boots, started tele in all hide, went to Scarpa T2's, then T1's and have completely evolved with the fit. My Scarpa T1 29.5(11-12 shell and 11 liner), the "bumble-bee" version from '01 or '02, feel great while skiing. Long day I will feel slight ache outside edge after prying myself out of boots. Beat crap out of T1's, improved my technique, ready for new era. I really like the BD Custom conceptually over Garmont Ener-G. Am I crazy to try to squeeze into Customs or would this seem like spacious new world by comparison to notoriously narrow T1?
Bindings/Skis: BD O2 with Rid Stiff cartridges, BD Crossbows(179) for 3-4 seasons. I weigh about 190 lbs., 5'10" and have been skiing tele for 15 years. Last 10 years nearly exclusively lift-serve in Maine.
Q2: No Customs in area stores. Will trying on Pushes w/o liner molded tell me anything? Good fitter(Ragged Mtn-Intervale,NH)for final mold into best boot.
Try the new T1's or T Races. The 'notorious' narrow fit is not necessarily a given with the new Scarpas. The thermal liner is great, and will allow you to custom fit your foot in there for unmatched comfort. I have a narrow heel, and a very wide ball of foot, but my T1's are great. I hear the BD boots have a nice heel cup and a unique liner system, but the reliability and quality of my Scarpas have withstood the test of time and use. I am hard on my gear. When I bought my T1's, I knew that I would use different skis, change bindings, upgrade year after year, but I knew that my T1's would stick with me and offer comfort and reliability, unsurpassed by Garmont, Crispi, or BD. I know a lot of people say Garmonts are for wide, 'hobbit footed' folks, but I wear skate shoes, and Birkenstocks, and found the EnerG's to be way too floppy and roomy. Scarpas all the way! The new ('10/'11) T Races will have a walk mode, too by the way, and they'll be red again next year, too!
Thank you Jack Wizo! Fantastic intel and just the insight I was hoping to find ... and have learned to rely on here at backcountry.com! Jack: Long ago we met in the days when I was on the ORCA(now OIA)Board and Public Policy Manager for NOLS. I'd follow you onto a snow-covered mountain anywhere! You've already got me salivating for next season ... and this one isn't over yet! Ahhh, more vertical to beat on my "bumble bees"! In Scarpas and Backcounty.com I will trust! - Stefan J. Jackson
Glad I could help, but sorry, Stefan, I think you have me confused with someone else. Hope this season ends on a high note, and next season is even better! Enjoy!
Uber stiff bellows
I am 5' 5" 150lbs and have been telemark skiing for 3 years(60+ times a year). I ski in the Midwest. The bellow on the Customs are seriously stiff. Personally not sure why anyone would want the bellows that stiff. On the other hand I am a small guy and prefer softer bellows. Bigger guys may like more resistance. My first run on these I could not drop a knee. After a few runs I was able to drop a knee, but had to give it my all. I skied them on 7tm power bindings and 179 Karhu Jak skis. The Jak's are pretty beefy skis, and I did like that the Customs gave me more control over them, but I had to work too hard for that control.
Burly. Loaded. Comfortable.
When you want to drive the ski with your legs (anytime the snow is soft and you want to go fast), this boot gets it done.
Driving with your legs means delivering energy to the ski in a more upright position, which in turn means less work. When combined with burly bindings (Hammerhead, BD 01), it can also mean a rodeo ride. Like in the case when you're skiing icy bumps in New England.
But those conditions aside, I just skied these boots for 3 days at Silverton (in 4' of bottomless) and I wouldn't want to be in anything else.
Great fit. Sweet Boa liner. Awesome walk mode. All-day comfort.
The factory footbeds are fine, but you can max the comfort and control with some A-Lines.
(The rest of my setup: Hammerhead 01s on BD Justices. SWEET!)
Work for me
I picked up these things a few weeks ago and have about 15 days, half touring half resort in them. The sole is nice and rigid. I'm not sure why you need as stiff of a flex pattern as the boot upper has, but it doesn't really bother me, it just seems like overkill. On the whole they seem well made and rugged.
Someone asked below if you could ski them with G3 bindings, and the responses all seemed to indicate that BD would be a better choice. I will throw out there that the few times I've tried BD bindings they didn't feel natural to me, so I've stuck with my trusty G3s for the natural flex pattern. The BD boots with G3 strike a nice balance for me, as the rigid sole of the boot transfers power well, with a nice natural/neutral feel from the binding. This is all subjective, of course, but BD boots do not mean you need BD bindings by any means.
My two gripes with them, which are minor: (1) the 'cant' adjustment seems to go from mildly bowlegged to severely bowlegged, so the stiff cuff of the liner has been bruising the inside of my calf muscle. I've beat on it a bit to accelerate the break-in, but it seems like if the boot was aligned differently it wouldn't be an issue. (2) While the liner is fairly comfortable, the whole 'BOA' thing is a pain in the arse. I'm not sure that it adds anything to the boot, except for another step while putting them on and taking them off.
FITMENT: I have fairly narrow feet with high arches so my feet are kind of 'tall.' On the scarpas I've always worn, I could never even close the buckle over my insole (ultimately I just cut them off because they got in the way), and that area of the boot still hurt my foot, but the 'higher volume' garmonts added that volume with width, not height, so my foot could move side-to-side in them. These seem to have more volume than the scarpas but are not as wide as the garmonts, and fit me well.
I have Brand New 28.0 Customs For Sale (never heat molded)
Heard great things, but have toe problems that have me out for the season. Let me know if you're interested $450 - brand new size 28.0 (10.5 US size). e-mail: email@example.com.
What's up with the listed weight? Obviously...
What's up with the listed weight? Obviously 380 grams is a mistake, but it was my understanding that these are lighter than Scarpa's T-Race (listed at 8lbs, 14oz). Anybody know the correct weights of these two boots?
The LB weight is correct (not sure where that 380 grams comes from). A pair of size 27s are 4.1 kg or 9 lb 1 oz...
I skied these boots and loved the stiffness and control (almost too much for my 150 pounds). The two middle buckles, however, caught on one another, which is a huge pain. I have a 27.5 mondo.
I am looking to make the move to tele from...
I am looking to make the move to tele from alpine but have a super super wide foot (EEE) & need a high volume boot (will need to be custom fit as well)..does anyone have any boot reccomendations? (ie brand / model)
I disagree....in my fitting experiences, the Scarpas, at least the T1, T2 are much better for narrower feet and don't really fit normal-wide feet. That's why I ended up getting Garmont Ener-Gs...but I'm not sure about the BDs relative to Garmont or Scarpa.
Scarpa = narrow. Garmont = wide. BD = somewhere in between. For very wide feet, I recommend buying from a very good boot fitter. You could buy the widest shell available, move up a shell size (to garner more width) and pad the liner (plus add posting material) to take away volume where you don't need it. You are someone who should not buy boots online and should find a great bootfitter!