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Black Diamond precut the Ascension Nylon Custom STS Skins to fit your ski length to save you tedious trimming time and effort. The redesigned tip and tail attachments are 20% stronger than previous versions, and the tail strap provides 10cm of adjustment for the perfect fit.
Bottom Line: More time on the hill, less time trimming.
Black diamond pretty much owns the skin market for skis. G3 also makes quality skins but I've heard from people who've had both that the Black diamond ones are a bit more durable. The adhesive works even if it gets a wet and the grip even on steep slopes is impressive. If you're going to do any steep climbing, go with the ascension over the mohair because it grips better on steeper slopes. I recommend getting a skin that is at about as wide as the ski is underfoot. Obviously the tip and tail of the ski will be wider and the skin won't cover it completely, but if it's at least as wide as the center of the ski it should be able to climb with minimum slippage.
If you want full coverage (better grip), you should go wider. The Rocker 2 is 144mm in the tip (I think). You should look for a 140mm skin. Check out the G3 Alpinists.
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Learn how to set up Black Diamond climbing skins with STS: cut your skins to length, attach the adjustable tip loop, trim your skins to match your skis sidecut and adjust your tip loop.
I have a par of 189 k2 Obsethed I put Marker dukes on the so i could tour and all I need is skins. They have a 146mm Tip, 117 waist, and 134 tail. I just don't know what size I would need to order? Thanks
the front attachemtnet is super great, I have had a few pairs of skins and these have by far the the best front attachement point. Just make sure that you do ti right, you only get one shot at it.
Hey Backountry AT Gearheads! What's the best size BD Ascension Nylon STS skin to match my 181 cm K2 Coomba (135/102/121)? I'm 6'2" and 205 # and love to climb, so I need max traction. Thanks!
For maximum traction I would get a skin that is greater than 135mm wide and then trim to the Tip, waist, and tail. I would actually go with http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-ascension-nylon-sts-skins in the 140mm and trim em' down. That is your best bet.
Love these mainly because of the tail attachment. Super quick and easy to use, won't fail even if your glue does! Just don't lose the little metal clip.
After an afternoon hike, we all hung our skins up to dry.
I would definitely recommend these skins to anyone thinking about picking up AT skiing. It's a great way to get up the mountain, and Black Diamond skins are easy to to put on and take off and never slide back on a steep part.
I have a pair of Alpina Discovery cross-country skis with a Rossignol (NNN BC style) binding. The length is 1.8m and the width is 6.8cm at the front 6.0cm at the middle and 6.5cm at the tail. I want to go up some steep slopes with these skis, so I will need some climbing skins; however, I have heard that some skins won't go on skis as narrow as mine. If anyone has suggestions for me, I would be very appreciative.
Great skins. I have set that I can adjust the length to move between a pair of BD Zealots and Salomon Czars. It is nice to not have something that can work on multiple boards. They climb great, pack well, and I really like both the bag and mesh backing. I will buy these again.
My son wants Black Diamond Ascension Custom STS skins for his Solomon Czars and I'd like to know what size to order? His skiis are 182's ( 131 tip / 111 waist / 121 tail ). thanks
Can't get a better more durable skin... with the warmer weather we've been going on ice, sticks, and even some gravel has been poking through, but the skins are still in great shape.. super durable and worth the little extra change over the competitors!
Do the Black Diamond Ascension Nylon Custom STS Skins fit the Rossignol S7 ski? It sounds like I would enter the dimensions of the ski I would like to have STS Skins fitted for? Then Back Country would cut the skin for that ski?
Make sure you choose a skin wide enough for the S7 dimensions and order that. But, Backcountry does not cut the skins. Following the instructions you can get a good result - or a good shop will do it for about 15 bucks.
I ordered and cut these down myself with no issues.
I put them on my fat teles and took a 5 day tour. They stuck to the snow like paint. They grab the snow so well, I am going to trim them to only cover about 60% of the base of my ski. If you trim them per instructions, and you have fat skiis, you have a LOT of skin on the snow....too much for me. They are quite heavy and you could shed some weight by trimming more. Also, you will get a little better glide with less skin on the snow.
Justin, For best grip size them just narrower than your tip dimension (139mm) and trim to fit. That would be the 125mmx167-174cm on these skins. Enjoy!
Used these skins for the first time on Sunday at ABasin on some pretty steep slopes. It was my first time using skins so I dont have a lot of experience to reference from but these things worked great! I couldnt believe the traction. No issues at all. I cant wait to use them on some backcountry trips.
Great climbing skins especially with the Volkl Chopsticks. I bought last years pair of skins in 130mm for 173-180cm skis. They fit the Chopsticks perfectly. Then simply get some Marker Duke bindings and you're well set.
You are probably better off getting the 110x179-186s. With a fixed tip and tail you can't really make the 185-192 skins any shorter and they may be just a little too long.
These skins make backcountry skinning almost unfair. I first slapped them on my BD Zealots and customized them accordingly (reviewer's note -- trimming custom skins is kind of like doing your sideburns -- resist the urge to keep evening them out, or you'll shave your way out of climbing power). They are super grippy and make you feel very sold underfoot on steep terrain. If I had a complaint (and I don't) it's that the glue is so sticky it takes a he man to pull them apart. That said, they are still easy enough to pull off with your skis still on (just try not to throw out your shoulder). They're only three seasons old, so I threw them on my new bluehouse maestros at the end of the season. No problems so far. Nice work BD.
If you are looking for full coverage, you want a few millimeters narrower than the shovel width of your skis (136mm) and then cover the length. Best bet would be the 125mm X 179-186cm. It looks like those are out of stock here. You could go narrower, but will sacrifice grip. Hope this helps.
Just got back from 8 days up on Durrand Glacier with amazing untracked touring. The skins that my wife had before were not cut properly and slipped a lot. So I picked up a pair of Black Diamond Ascension Nylon Custom STS Skins from you guys, got them cut nice and tight and the rest is history. thanks, Michael Fuller
1. Decide on material type: Nylon: Generally climbs better and offers more traction, can be considered more durable, stiffer and hydrophobic. They do not glide as well as Mohair. These are the pitbull of skin material. Mohair Pure: 100% Mohair is a natural fiber and offers a superior glide over Nylon. Lighter weight, packs better, probably not as durable over the long term. Not as water repellent as Nylon. Well suited for long approaches and tours. Mohair Mix: These are a 65% Mohair and 35% Nylon for extra durability.
2. Decide on tail attachments: STS tail attachment: Uses an over-the-center camming device combined with a stretchy elastomer strap that's easy to tension and removevery versatile and easier to adjust in the length as needed. Easy to use. We sell far more STS style skins than any other. Standard: Does not use any style of tail attachment system (duct tape is your friend). Its simple, basic, and there is nothing to break or lose.
3. Choose between Glidelite or Ascension: Ascension Skins: Tend to be boardier, perhaps a bit more durable, harder to fold up small, but are easier to put on in a stiff breeze. Glidelite: Pretty much the opposite of the above (more pliable and packable than the stiff Ascension).
What would be the best skins for my Fischer Watea 98's (measurements are 130-98-122)? 130's, and is Black Diamond my best best for my buck and for quality?
Personally I'd get a skin in 130mm width, and then trim it down, so that you have wall-to-wall skin coverage. As to quality, the Nylon STS skins will outlast your skis and your boots. That said, don't pay for the "custom" skins. For $20 more than the normal STS skins, they've saved you very little effort.
When sizing skins go off the widest dimension of your ski (the tip) and trim to fit. The 184 Mantra's, with a 133 tip width, your looking at the 125mm x 179-186 skin.
4th set of skins I've owned - 1st set of "custom" recently purchased and usedIt was nice to have the length already dialed in as well as have the tip attachment attached. I was able to trim the sides in short order and quickly benefit from nice new skins.I've used BCA lowfats, climbing skins direct skins and the ascension nylon skins. It's hard for me to compare the grip for the different brands as they all have worked well here in the PNW. The grip seem similar to me. the BD's are a stiffer skin so they don't roll up as well as the other two brands. That said, will buy the BD's again next time I need skins.
I have a pair of 120 width skins that i've used on hellbents a ton, with no complaints. you can tour in any ski, just easier on some, but if you only have one ski, then tour on it! 1) remember that you will want your edges hanging wider than the skin, or you will have a tough time on sunbaked ice slopes. 2) the skin just has to be as wide as say 5mm(maybe 10?) less than waist so 125 would work perfect for you. 3) dont worry about cutting slits or sewing your skins, that sounds pretty tough.... when you get the skins you will find out how much of a pain any cutting is, much less special slits. 4) 125mm is such a wide skin.. traction will not be an issue, only stamina Again. you will want your edges showing, not covered by the skin so you can hold an edge on icy steep sideways slope.
The widest skins I've seen are 140mm. Black Diamond and Voile both have them, but I would check out climbingskinsdirect.com. They are cheaper, and have a 140mm skin as well. The P 130's aren't really designed as a touring ski. They're more for mechanized access. However, that isn't to say you don't have some options to make them work One option I have found for wider skis, is to cut a slit down the center of the skin, so that there is a space in the center of the skin, but full contact to the edges. This has allowed me to use the same skins on a few pairs of differently shaped skis, and performed really well. Black Diamond makes 'split skins' like this, but they have a mesh material between them to hold the sides together, mostly for weight saving and ease when pulling them apart. The splitting of your own narrower skins would probably be your best bet, as you will not get full coverage on your P 130's with a 140mm skin. If you have the right needles, awl, thread, and skills, I guess you could try sewing some skinny skins together, but that would likely be too much of a pain in the @$$. Hope that helps a bit. Good luck, and happy turns.
Get the 125mm x 192cm length. That way they are definitely long and wide enough. You will be trimming them to custom fit anyway, and the price is the same as the 125 x 186cm.
JusT bought my second pair ... these skins rock my backcountry box . Steep terrain just trust these babies and they'll take you there. Worth every penny.
I have used it on the Scratch BC from 06. as for the size the 120mm works great. but with a 128mm tip you could go for more coverage with a 130mm skin if you are carrying a large pack.
Yes, the clip attachment will go over the twin tip. You should get your skins to about 5mm with in the width of the widest part of the ski and then trim them to size.
They fit perfectly on my skis. Easy to adjust size. I walked straight up the mountain. The best Christmas present and my wife got all the information she neede from Backcountry's chat room before she purchased them. It was easy.
I would get the non-custom Nylon STS so that you can make them your own length, and not have to worry about what size you should get. And the 125 should probably give you enough coverage all over.
Depends on the steepness of the mountains you want to climb. Normaly regular straight skins not wider than your ski at mid-sole (88mm for you) will work just fine.
The lenght shold approximately match your ski-size. They should not be longer because that will make it impossible to strap them on. And with 174cm skis you will have enough traction.
So these come already cut for specific widths and lengths... And because they are by BD, they mate best with BD skis.
I highly suggest just getting a pair of regular skins and cutting them yourself, it is a little intimidating at first, but there are very good tutorials online.
RandoSteve does one here: http://www.tetonat.com/2009/01/cutting-climbing-skin-video-tutorial/
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