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This season Bibler introduces a new well-ventilated, two-door version of the infamous four-season Ahwahnee2. Two full side doors provide for an open-air feeling, while increasing both ventilation and ease of exit and entry…without increasing the retail price. Wide awnings cover each door while the Ahwahnee's low profile design sheds both wind and weather. This is a great tent for anyone who plans to travel across multiple climates—from the desert to high alpine environments.

Bottom Line: The roomiest, best-ventilated, most comfort-friendly tent in the Bibler line.

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Ahwahnee

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October 13, 2011

We've had this tent for more than ten years and have suffered some of the frustrations of the other reviewers. Initially the tent was difficult to set up because of the tightness of the pole fit inside the tent. This has gotten easier to do or I've gotten use to doing it. Almost all of our pole holders have fallen off but I just contacted BD about it and they are going to fix them under warrantee. The few times I've had to cantact BD on warrantee issues, they have been prompt, and professional about getting the item fixed. The zippers are also giving us difficulty but probably will just require the slides being replaced but BD doesn't do the zippers but my local shoe repair guy does.

Overall, I'm very happy with the tent and would get another. The toddtex fabric is great and has stayed waterproof. I have had to reseal the seams (ALL the seams) several times but as long as the seal is good, the tent stays dry in prolonged rains.

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Do you guys expect to have this back in stock soon? Thanks

Do you guys expect to have this back in stock soon?
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July 7, 2011

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You should try live chat for questions like this.

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Rating for this product: 2

Black Diamond Bibler Ahwahnee

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September 20, 2010

9/19/2010
www.grandcycletour.com

Before heading off on a year-long cycle trip around the world, I purchased and tested a number of tents – the Black Diamond Hilight, Black Diamond Skylight, Nemo Tenshi, MSR Elbow Room and MSR Hubba Hubba.

We decided to take the Black Diamond Bibler Ahwahnee, which we found to be well designed, and possibly the only true four season tent (useable in Summer) on the market.

Unfortunately for us the quality of workmanship has simply not matched up to its fantastic design.

About two weeks ago, whilst cycling across Ireland, our Black Diamond Bibler Ahwahnee tent began to let in water through the fabric. Now, even under light rain, water enters directly through all external surfaces of the Todd Tex fabric. All seams were sealed correctly and no water is penetrating these areas.

After a little research, I found that the problem with this tent has occurred for other people. (Read other reviews here)

Prior to the leaking, we also had a major recurring problem with the state of the eyelets either side of the tent that the awning pole is meant to sit in. The first time I set the tent up in the lounge room the pole was extremely difficult to get in, but I figured that it might have been intentionally made that way so that when the fabric stretched with use, the pole would fit perfectly. Well this never happened and it is still a constant struggle to put the pole in.

Now I have to use electrical tape on a recurring basis to hold in the eyelets to prevent them from completely falling out of the tabs (this has happened a few times). I tried a few different ways of making a permanent fix, like using glue, squashing the eyelets down tighter against the fabric and taking the tent to a number of different repair shops to see if they could permanently fix it, all to no avail.

I have not taken the tent to Black Diamond to see if it can be fixed properly before now because I haven’t been able to. We’ve been cycling around the world for the last eight months, so we usually need it. It is also difficult to provide an address, particularly one for long enough to have the tent sent overseas.

Now that we’re in the US (and it is leaking badly– which we can’t live with) we’ve posted it with the receipt of purchase (it is still in warranty) to the Salt Lake headquarters. We are desperately hoping for a speedy resolution and return as we are due to continue our world tour through America and into South and Central America.

Our first reply from Black Diamond expressed disbelief that the tent has problems, and hinted that we have misused it in some way. Here are some quotes:

‘Frankly I have never heard of this fabric leaking as you are describing.’
‘I have not known the Todd-Tex fabric to leak unless it has been damaged by mildew or contaminated with some type of oil.’
‘Please give me as much information as you can concerning the life/use of this tent that may explain why it has started leaking.’
‘Please understand we just don’t hear this. Something unusual has to be going on.’

The problems listed were not caused by misuse. When you spend a small fortune on a tent and it is the only home you have, you look after it well. We wash, with water, the tent occasionally, and always make sure it has dried before packing it up and riding each day. And according to online reports at least two other serious cases of this kind of leaking of Todd Tex fabric have been reported to Black Diamond.

For a large collection of photos of the tent in action in almost 20 countries around the world and a daily blog detailing our adventures up to this point please have a look at our website www.grandcycletour.com.

We will update this review as soon as we here back from Black Diamond.

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September 23, 2010

This is an update to the earlier review. Black Diamond have sent us a new tent, and it arrived almost immediately. It looks (and smells) fantastic, but unfortunately I could barely get the awning pole in, the fabric is just too tight. It looks as though the eyelets, once again, will not last long. I'm seam sealing it now. Fingers crossed it works better this time. If you're interested in seeing its progress check out www.grandcycletour.com.

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I herd that this tent has had a problem with leaking water over

I herd that this tent has had a problem with leaking water over time, and also a problem with the eyelets. have these problems been fixed ? i really want a four season tent but im having a hard time finding one thats not going to suffocate me in the summer, this tent seems like its perfect but im worried that illl have these problems. i don't want to invest that kind of money into a tent that might leek just after a few trips. if im wrong please let me know because i really like this tent but a little concerned about these few issues.

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March 12, 2011

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The Black Diamond Firstlight is supposed to be a great four season tent that's actually useful in both the summer and winter. It's $300, and with the NanoShield material, it's supposed to be both breathable and waterproof. The pole setup is easier, as it doesn't have a cross pole. I believe it's a slightly more budget version of the Bibler I-Tent. If you like this design, the BD Hilight is basically the same thing but with one door and NanoShield instead of ToddTex. As an added bonus, both the Hilight and Firstlight are sub three pounds.

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March 24, 2011

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Rating for this product: 5

Excellent Ventilation, Little to No Condensation

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May 5, 2008

After listing everything I wanted in a tent, and researching reviews, I realized that the tent I wanted was going to cost quite a bit. So I saved up and bought this tent specifically for its climate versatility, such as very cold, wet weather like Glacier Bay, as well as hot dry sunny climates like deserts. To my disbelief, the Todd Tex material is in fact, everything they say it is. Ditto on the ventilation. During our two week Glacier Bay kayaking trip we experienced almost daily constant rain, and/or misty fog, along with two days of storms with high winds. This tent never leaked! Even though our clothing was wet, and the air was of such high humidity you could almost see the moisture, this tent allowed us to sleep dry. The only condensation you will experience with this tent is on the poles (not the fabric). This is not a problem since the moisture will run down the poles and collect in the little corner pocket. We simply used a 6 inch piece of highly absorbent pack towel and soaked up any moisture that collected there during the night, and were on our way. Between the breathable Todd Tex material and our breathable Wiggy's lamilite sleeping bags, we were actually (unbelievably) able to dry clothing during the night by putting them in our bags with us. In addition to the material, other features we fell in love with included the two doors, optional vestibule(s), and optional attic. I highly recommend the vestibule and the attic. We hung our rain gear inside the vestibule to drip during the night, and it provided extra needed space for maps, clothing bags, gear bags, etc. in planning the next days course. Other than the obvious food/cooking/hygiene items, we were able to store all of our "bear safe" gear inside the vestibule. (We only had one vestibule.) The vestibule also allowed us much more ventilation than we would have had without it, during the nights we experienced rain with wind. I cannot image doing a trip like that without the vestibule, as it was key to our comfort in many ways. All in all, this tent is well worth the money and I am very glad I did not do a trip of this caliber with cheaper, less well designed gear. Save your money and buy this tent. It will perform as described by the manufacturer. Just a note - I did seal all the seams on the tent before the trip. I cannot comment on the performance of this tent without seam sealing. Also, the yellow interior walls are really nice (aesthetically) when it has been raining for a week and you crave a sunny day.

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Does the tent come with a bag for the tent poles?

Does the tent come with a bag for the tent poles?

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January 18, 2010

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nope

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September 29, 2010

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I think this tent is rubbish

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July 24, 2010

I do not understand the design of this tent.
Its ok if you ALWAYS camp in dry conditions.
But as soon as its wet you cannot open the doors (Why do they open to the floor??) without getting wet.
Also when you open the doors in the morning the water drips in from the roof.
I bought the vestibule in the hope it would improve things... It does a little, but the hole where the pole goes in ripped out in the first week. I fixed that with ducktape.
Its not very stable.
You cannot put it up when you can't use pegs. I used to have a north face tent, that is completely worn out after much use (Im riding a bicycle around the world so camp a lot)
I really do not like this tent at all. Waste of money. Actually I think Im going to send it back.
It looks nice in pictures though.

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I'm going to be climbing aconcagua next year and slowly accumulating

I'm going to be climbing aconcagua next year and slowly accumulating some gear. A tent is my big issue. Is the BD AHWAHNEE suitable for two guys around six foot for possibly 20 windy days? i'm thinking the vestibule would be necessary for gear. any thoughts?
thanks.

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January 18, 2010

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Tom, Todd Bibler himself has advised a few people personally that the BD Bibler Ahwahnee is not best intended for full on mountaineering- and after using the Ahwahnee for the last 8 months in almost 20 countries I would agree. However, I do think that it is the only true 4 season tent available on the market, every other so called 4 season is absolutely unbearable in summer.

As Aaron mentioned in the previous post a BD Fitzroy, or IMO a Nemo Tenshi, are much better suited to what you are doing.

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September 23, 2010

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The Ahwahnee would definitely be suitable, but only if you got a vestibule. The tent is 7.5' long and 4.4' wide. That seems roomy, but mark it out on your floor and play camp, get a feel for how much room that actually is. The vestibule adds 13 square feet, and you can get two of them if you feel inclined.
If you are worried about the wind, the ahwahnee can take it. However, due to it's steeper walls, it can get shaky in there. I would recommend looking at the Fitzroy as well, as it is unaffected by the wind. Seriously, it doesn't move.
Lastly, get an attic. They are cheap, light, and add a lot of livability to the tent.

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January 22, 2010

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Black Diamond Ahwahnee

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July 12, 2011

Black Diamond Ahwahnee. My home away from home. Photo taken at the Lake of the Angels in the Olympic national forest.

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Rating for this product: 5

Ahwahnee Tent

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October 8, 2007

Awesome tent, I like it better than the Fitzroy. It is easier to set up with only 2.5 poles. It is not quite as wide but wide enough. This tent sets up easily without any difficulty. Waterproof and leak proof. I experienced no condensation on the inside with the todd X material. Having both doors to open is terrific for warm weather camping and it works great in the really cold temps as well. Bibler makes the best single wall tents bar none! I love this tent. It is the best tent I have ever owned in 40 years of camping. I have experience with many different tents during that time.

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February 1, 2011

Bibler tents are great tents, and well worth the money...

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March 13, 2011

iv been reading that some people have had problem with leaking over time with this tent. have you ever had any problems?

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How does the vestibule attach to the ahwahnee.

How does the vestibule attach to the ahwahnee.

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September 16, 2009

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Rating for this product: 5

Bibler Ahwahnee tent

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April 8, 2008

There are three Easton aluminum poles. One short one, and two long ones. All poles go inside the tent. The short one goes on the top between the top of the two doors. The long ones go diagonal from corner to corner on this rectanglar tent. There are internal twist clips that attach the poles to the inside of the tent. Easy to set up. This is the best tent I have ever owned. It's roomy, and so versatile. It works in any kind of weather. With the two huge doors, half of the surface of the tent can be open mesh, so summer is ok too. Weighs about 7-1/2 pounds fully packed with the Bibler ground cloth.

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Write your question here...can one buy easton graphite poles

Write your question here...can one buy easton graphite poles for this tent

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August 26, 2009

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Here are two good sources for new & replacement tent poles. The first source specializes in carbon fiber which you are inquiring about:

http://www.fibraplex.com/tentpoles.htm

http://www.polesforyou.com/

FYI, Easton only sells to tent manufacturers directly.

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August 26, 2009

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Ahwahnee good, Black Diamond bad.

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July 15, 2011

This tent is a piece of cake to set up. Takes less than 2 minutes. If you can't figure it out you probably shouldn't be camping... at least unsupervised. Best tent ever, but pray you don't have to deal with Black Diamonds customer service. I bought my Ahwahnee before BD acquired Bibler. After 10 years of regular use, I had some problems with the tent. I've sent it back to BD 3 times now and they have done nothing. The last "rejection" note I got from them was actually insulting. I loved this tent, but I won't buy another one because I hate Black Diamond.

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do you sell awnings ?

do you sell awnings ?

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June 18, 2009

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No, only the footprint is available for the tent through BC.com; http://www.backcountry.com/store/BLD0391/Black-Diamond-Ahwahnee-Footprint.html

You can pick up the VESTIBULE from BD directly at:
http://www.bdel.com/gear/ahwahnee.php

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June 22, 2009

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Camping in the crater

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November 29, 2008

Spending the night in Mount Taranaki NZ

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January 29, 2011

It would appear from the photo that the short awning pole has not been installed properly. It has been attached to the awning grommets but not threaded through the tent body! There are small (pole diameter sized) holes directly above the door that allow this pole to pass through the tent and support the awning from underneath. This creates a much stronger structure and is how the tent is designed to be set up.

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very disappointed

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March 22, 2011

i was saving up for this for over two years for this tent, when i finally got the courage and decided to to invest in this thing words could not describe how excited i was. Two days later i received it in the mail, i practically sprinted to my friends house to open the package. when i opened it up and laid it all out on the floor and saw this sweet looking green tent. very soon after i tried setting it up . First i was disappointed on how and were the poles were inserted on the floor of the tent, then i was disappointed about the paper thin clips inside the tent that were designed to hold the pols in place, third i was extremely disappointed when it took practically 3 grown men to get the ahwahning pole inserted. finally 35 min later i had the tent set up. iv set one one or two tents in my day and iv never have as much trouble as i did setting this thing up and it still was not 100 %. i figured that if i was in 15 degree weather and in an emergency i would have frozen to death twice before i could be able to set this thing up. not the mention that after all this disappointment and frustration when i tried to get the ahwahning pole out i broke the pole in half slicing the top of the tent and practically destroying it. by the end of all this i was practically in tears lol. im still upset about it. i really think that this tent has the design and potential to be a fantastic tent but its just to poorly flawed in to many ways. i called back country and they did not give me a hard time about returning it which was nice but if someone were to ask me if getting this tent was a good idea i would have to say NO!!! NO!!! NO!!!

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July 7, 2011

RTFD

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April 3, 2011

You need to insert the awning pole goes first. If you don't, it will be very hard to set up the tent properly. If you do, there's very little tension on the eyelets.

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What's the coldest anyone has been out in with this tent?

What's the coldest anyone has been out in with this tent? Could it handle CO mountains in the winter?

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May 5, 2009

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Coldest for us was -10 (celsius) in the Alps

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September 23, 2010

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It is made for 4 season camping so that would include winter in the Rockies. So you should be good to go.

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Rating for this product: 5

Great Tent!

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August 25, 2009

I've been using Ahwahnee & the 4-person Pueblo for over 15 years and have had only great experience with both models. First off, seam seal all seams and floor, using Seam Grip. Then feel comfortable in every kind of Alaskan and NW weather. I've been secure and comfortable in all varieties of rain, sleet, snow and wind (up to 80 mph). And the venting, using the drop down door/window feature protected by the cross-pole overhang, works splendidly with zero condensation. As regards comments about poles, pole retainers and button seating, I've had zero problems! I've nearly worn my Pueblo out, only because it's seen too much UV over its 13 year life- it still hasn't failed although it has severly faded. If you've the money for the purchase, you won't regret it. Obviously any tent is subject to abuse from being stepped on or having a horse fall on it, but then to make a backcountry tent immune to those such abuses would put it outside the realm of packability and practicality! I would definately buy another or recommend them to a friend.
Gerry H.

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HI, I have an Ahwahnee and a Lite house. I have had my Ahwahnee

HI, I have an Ahwahnee and a Lite house. I have had my Ahwahnee 3 years now and I am wondering if you have come up with a better idea about the fasteners. In fact my Lite house which is 5 years old seems to give less of a problem. Those plastic twist fasteners have gotten into a fixed configuration and have lost some reliability. They tend to come unfastened more readily than when they were new. Have you come up with a better idea?

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November 28, 2008

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Stellar tent

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June 11, 2009

Easily the most simple and versatile tent on the market. This tent preforms well in cold snowy conditions and is unbeatable when it comes to desert camping. the tent has excellent ventilation and its single wall design allows it to be sealed to keep the sand out. easy to set up and quiet in the wind. Not one but two optional vestibules allow you to customize the tent to any trip and give you the option of saving weight when you don't need them. the fabric breaths well and is more effective at managing moisture than any other I've seen on the market. Simply put, there is nothing not to like about this tent. simple, durable, everything you need, nothing you don't.

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I have the older one door version of this tent with the vestibule.

I have the older one door version of this tent with the vestibule. Will the vestibule I have fit on the two door version?

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October 5, 2008

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Yes it will fit. It is the same footprint they just added a door on the back. Basically, instead of having the zipper that goes down a little for the window in back on yours it keeps going to make a full door. The rest of the tent is virtually the same.

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December 15, 2008

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My Second Ahwahnee Tent

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August 20, 2009

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September 25, 2009

Hi Bill, what happened to your first one?

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Rating for this product: 5

buy this tent!

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March 8, 2004

This is my favorite tent of all time. I absolutely love this tent. I bought my Ahwahnee before they added the optional 2nd door, and actually had rainypass put in an extra door for me. This tent is absolutely perfect. Very light-weight for its size, roomy for 2 people, great ventilation, bomb-proof and completely waterproof- this tent was my first Bibler and it has made me a loyal Bibler customer. The setup is remarkably easy and I had no trouble pitching it by myself and in the rain. Well worth the money.

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2 questions...I'll be on a cross country road trip on my

2 questions...I'll be on a cross country road trip on my Harley from Alaska to Wisconsin this summer. I guess this tent will pack up ok for the bike ride? Also, I have never "seam sealed" a tent (new at this). Any helful hints....or should I just read the can? Thank for your help. Rick

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May 7, 2008

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2 answers: Yes, definitely, and check www.mcnett.com for Seam Grip and basic seam sealing instructions. Have a great trip.

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Rating for this product: 5

Ahwahnee Tent 2-Door 2-Person 4-Season - great for hot camping too !!!

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September 22, 2004

It was hot last weekend and the bugs were out. Many other campers complained about the heat and the bugs. Some of their tents did not have great air flow and some of their tents did not keep the bugs out. Though our tent was smaller than all the rest, we were cool and watched spiders, ants and other crawling critters move on the outside mesh of our two windows. It was good to feel the small breeze that would move from time to time and we slept in comfort. We're ready for the next campout!!!

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Rating for this product: 5

THE BEST EVER

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October 4, 2004

OK
I've hiking in the backcountry for over 25 years and remember when we used to camp in canvas tents! You couldn't touch the side or it would spring a leak.
I think you could roll down a hill inside this tent and it wouldn't spring a leak. High ceilings, two door and iron clad construction make this an awesome heavy weather tent. I was in hellacious downpours in Idaho this September and i didn't get to seam seal this baby and not a drop entered our domain. perfect for 2 big people. i'm 6'1" and she's 5'8" and with the vestibule we and gear fit fine. The 2 doors made easy access for the 2 am piss and an awning let plenty of air in even when the storm was whipping past,up and all around us. what a freakin tent. I'll never own another.

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Rating for this product: 5

You are an idiot if you don't buy this tent

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March 2, 2009

This tent is money, pure and simple. In the last 12 years, I have probably spent 700 nights out in BLM land, the last 300 with this tent. I always choose this one unless I have more than a couple of people to get in one tent.

I hate rainfly's, and the ability to not need one is worth the money alone. This tent is incredibly quiet in strong winds. Funky setup until you get used to it, you set it up from inside the tent. Once done, you have a high ceiling and steep walls, Tight space for two campers, perfect for one camper and a couple of dogs. Great ventilation, both doors are huge and can be unzipped from the top so you can have the ventilation and privacy, too.

Best tent out there, hands down

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Rating for this product: 5

Amazingly versatile tent

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July 24, 2007

In all my years of using this Bibler I have never had any problems from water condensation. Todd Tex is an amazing fabric. Because it is a single walled tent with no pole sleeves, it is really easy to erect quickly - you do it from inside. This tent has amazing ventilation and can be used as a complete 4-season tent - snow to tropics! Mine is the older single door version. There is now a two door version which would be even better than mine. The single door version does not work well with the (extra cost) vestibule. I can imagine that the two door version (shown above) would work very well with one vestibule - I would not try to attach two. When I bought my Ahwahnee from the local Paddy Pallin store, the sales staff were a little dubious about condensation problems with a single wall. After my first outing in 100% humidity (fog conditions), I came back to tell the sales staff that there are NO condensation problems with this tent. Sometimes the poles may get a little moisture on them but I have never known any moisture to build up on the internal surface of the fabric. Bibler recommends seam sealing the external fabric seams with their sealer which is supplied. You can easliy sit up inside the tent. It is 45" tall at centre. Weight: tent, poles, fly, stakes, stuff sack, guy line: 6.5 lbs. The best tent I have ever owned by quite a wide margin!

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September 23, 2010

I agree with you Denis, condensation is almost non-existent in this tent.

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Rating for this product: 5

BEEES KNEES

By: Backcountry.com Employee
June 16, 2008

Holds up great in Strong winds. The two doors are vent very well. The toddtex fabric is amazing has kept the water out in heavy down poor. Fits two people all right but it's a little tight with gear. this tent seems like it will last forever and is well worth the investment.

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Rating for this product: 5

EXCELLENT TENT

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September 20, 2007

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST TENTS I HAVE HAD. IT HAS A FEW THINGS THAT CAN BE IMPROVE, LIKE THE WAY YOU STASH THE DOOR TO GO OUT IT I LITTLE UNCONFORTABLE BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT IS PERFECT.

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Rating for this product: 5

It doesn’t get better than this.

By: Backcountry.com Employee
October 8, 2004

This tent is the most versatile tent made. It has the ability to go from the desert to mountaineering without losing a step. The 2 doors give it infinite breathability while the construction allows it to be used in the harshest of conditions. At 6 lbs it is not the lightest tent… but you will not find another tent that has the usability range of this tent, period.

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Rating for this product: 5

Awesome Tent

By: Backcountry.com Employee
June 29, 2006

I wanted this tent for a long time. Now that my boyfriend has one, I'm stoked. I love how spacious it is, and you can sleep under the stars without worrying about bugs. I dont think black diamond would really call it a 4-season tent, but it works in mild winter weather

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Piece of Sh#t.

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July 30, 2009

I purchased this tent from reviews and Biblers namesake. Within 5 minutes after opening the package and beginning the setup to see what I bought I was beginning the process of repackaging for return. There are too many fail points to believe this tent costs this much. I am a professional guide and backcountry pilot in AK and we torture our gear. Not because we want to but because the backcountry here weeds out the crap that people try to sell as dependable. This tent was born to fail if you use it like a pro. Plastic pole fasteners. Press fit button pole seats in the FLOOR. Two pole design that if one fails or bends the whole tent looses its structural integrity. Ever fall on your pack? Ever sit on it? Ever bend a tent pole? If one of these poles gets bent the Ahwahnee tent will blow over in light wind. NOT WORTH THE MONEY. Bibler had a good idea but failed to reinforce the primary pieces of a true backcountry tent. Rugged dependability is the goal in a tent this price. Buy one to depend on when the elements are trying to kill you. This tent is not that tent. Save your money and buy something that is NOT MADE IN CHINA. We looked at it at our outfitters and laughed at it. DO NOT BUY. DO NOT BUY. DO NOT BUY.

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September 25, 2009

It sounds like those canvas outfitter/sheepherder tents would suit your needs better. Since you're flying everything in, whats a couple extra hundred pounds? Here's a link that might help:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/index/index-display.jsp?id=cat550002&navAction=jump&navCount=1&cmCat=MainCatcat20075&parentType=category&parentId=cat20075

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By: Backcountry.com Employee
August 20, 2009

Funny how nobody has anything to say about these things failing on their tent. Maybe Bibler did think about it a little. Better check D's review below.

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August 6, 2009

Hey, just wondering what do recommend/what are you now using now that you have sent it back?

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Material:
ToddTex 
Freestanding:
yes 
Doors:
Poles:
2 1/2 
Pole Material:
Easton Aluminum 7075-E9 .340in 
Floor Space:
33.1 sq ft 
Interior Height:
45 in 
Vestibule Space:
13 sq ft 
Packed Size:
8 x 19 in 
Ventilation:
mesh doors 
Trail Weight:
5 lb 4 oz 
Recommended Use:
Four-season camping, backpacking 
Manufacturer Warranty:
Lifetime