These shoes are great. they edge great which is crucial for a lot of the Smith Rocks climbing I do. The rubber is super sticky (so stick that if you climb a lot the soles wear out pretty quickly). Just don't bust through the rand and get 'em resoled. The heel fits great and sticks to heel hooks super well. They do lose their stiffness over time but i notice that my feet have gotten stronger from these shoes cause i just bought my second pair and can stick to just about anything!