These pants are definitely stout. Construction and material are excellent - doubled up on the knees...even doubled on the backs of the ankles which is a great idea. Unfortunately, as with their other products, the waist height was designed for Grandpa (hits about a half inch below the original mountain pants). The fit is athletic -- I'm 6', 190, 33" waist, 34" inseam, and tried the 34x34 pants. Upon picking them up, I completely forgot about the price. After trying them on, they went straight back into the box. Please make a low-rise version!!!
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