long break-in time
I've struggled with this shoe because my toes need to get flat to go in a crack. when new, they are a tight fit for even a green camalot crack.
Still - the rubber all around is awesome for crack climbing - I bought these for indian creek and they are a much better long term solution than mocasyms which destroy your feet in a few days because there isn't much padding.
still, i use my mocs on anythings small and these for #2 camalot and larger cracks - i think once fully broken in might fit a red camalot fine