these pants are awesome in every way - I didn't buy them though :( ended up with the Robella because I couldn't pull the trigger on the "flame" color which is what my local shop had in stock. Flame is actually a lighter shade than shown, kind of construction cone orange - mid-fluorescent - very cool, and so fun, but what color can you wear with it? back to the fit and fabric...the best ski pants I have ever tried on! soft, supple, slightly insulated (barely noticeable), and flattering front, behind and all over! I think you need to size up - I wear a 4 jeans, 6 ski pant and the 8(40) fit like they were tailored for me. If they go on sale, I'll probably get them as a second pair and worry about what to wear with them later.