have their place in my collection of shoes
These are not a highly technical shoe, nor do they fit like one or climb like one. But thats exactly why I got them. These shoes are quite comfortable and perfect for long days of mid grade climbs and boulder problems and I really enjoy the comfort on long multi pitch days. That being said, these aren't the shoes I would choose to heel hook my way thru an overhang or send a long crack. I choose them for long gym workouts and any other day where long comfort is more important than technical ability. The rubber has lasted without issue thru 2 years and while they do stretch a bit it is not enough to make the shoe unusable.