These are great pants. They are a staple to any closet, so you really can't go wrong with these. I found that at first, they really need to be broken in, and washing them once helps, but don't dry them at first- that is like a step backwards in the breaking-in process. Then just wearing em to work finishes out the process. They are the most durable pants ever. And for any ladies, I am a small chick, and these in 28x32 fit way better than the weird cut on the women-specific Carharts.