athletic fit as pants, too tight as shorts.
great fit, well tailored cut thats not super baggy. they have a good athletic fit and are a good compromise if you dont want to shell out $$ for the gamma LT. only problem i had with them was when you zip off the bottoms to make em shorts, they look a little too tight around the thigh. and they could use an extra pocket. preferred the north face paramount convertibles as shorts.
so ultimately, great look as pants, not so great as shorts. i'm 5'8", 152 lbs, 31 waist and the medium fit perfectly.